Vac Vs Cdeath

Nil_IQ · June 2003

<div class="IPBDescription">Which will survive?</div> Something I just noticed; Cheating-death won't let you connect to a VAC server, so you can only have one or the other. The question is; which will survive? Cheating-death or VAC?

I just don't want to see a situation where 1/2 the servers are VAC and half are C-death required, as this will become VERY annoying after I load up c-death and find all the servers are VAC.

Opinions?

(I had this problem with DoD)

Gliss · June 2003

Cheating Death, VAC is much, much more buggy, confusing...

Fossa · June 2003

Cheating Death all the way, its so much simpler and more reliable. If there is a cheat that slips through it will be updated whereas VAC is too buggy to be functional to begin with.

Guspaz · June 2003

Cheating-Death will reign supreme. It's much more effective than VAC, and is used (as of June 15th) on 31.5% of NS servers. 31.5%, that's not a number to scoff at <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'>

KI6 · June 2003

Cheating-Death as United Admins is dedicated to cheat prevention (and a few other projects, but not as much as VALVe). VALVe had to split some staff members just to work on that, but I'm sure the larger projects will prevent them from releasing regular updates unlike United Admins.

Jackazz · June 2003

Cheaters are the worst! I was just reading some cheating site i found with information from above; i had no idea the cheating community is so organized! I just don't get why people want to ruin the game and have fake skill.

Maybe i just don't understand because i've never had a problem being good. and if i suck at a game, i either practice and get better, or I go play something I am good at.

anyway, just had to rant. Any cheaters reading this, GO TO HELL!

criticaI · June 2003

I like cheating death better.. I should already work with 1.1 and We haven't even done anything about VAC support yet.

meatball · June 2003

I like CD b/c it is easy to use and i have had no problems with it (yet)...

Aminal · June 2003

use ASE, it will open and close CD depending on whether it is required on the server or not.

k.thnx.bye

MonsieurEvil · June 2003

</span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Aminal @ Jun 18 2003, 02:09 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> use ASE, it will open and close CD depending on whether it is required on the server or not.

k.thnx.bye  </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> 
What he said.

Flayra plans to have VAC included with NS 1.1, and has been working with Eric at Valve to make this happen sucessfully.

Gliss · June 2003

Or it could quite possibly the scorpian that--well, you know.

James_H4xwell · June 2003

well you know, it really boils down to cheating death = better, but vac = people being paid money to do the job so in a sence its better

SentrySteve · June 2003

CD my main man -- I usually only join CD-Req servers becuase I find that the level of play is higher becuase every one there took the time to download a program, update it, then connect - your average newbie/lammer will probably not go through all that trouble -- thats why I use CD..

imsuxok · June 2003

</span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Aminal @ Jun 18 2003, 01:09 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> use ASE, it will open and close CD depending on whether it is required on the server or not.

k.thnx.bye  </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> 
Do you need the registered version in order for it automatically open up C-D? I can't find any option for pointing it to C-D's installation folder.

MMZ_Torak · June 2003

With ASE open:

F2>Games Tab>Select Halflife or CStrike>Click "anti cheat programs" button>Select how you want it to work and where it's installed.

Nil_IQ · June 2003

Yes, do tell what ASE is, as you were pretty vauge there. And how to get it.

MMZ_Torak · June 2003

<a href='http://www.udpsoft.com/eye2/index.html' target='_blank'>ASE</a>

also known as the All Seeing Eye

Aminal · June 2003

All Seeing Eye
<a href='http://www.udpsoft.com/eye' target='_blank'>http://www.udpsoft.com/eye</a>

Its probably the best game server browser availiable for nearly all FPS games & mods. Non Time Limited Shareware - but well worth registering IMO.

not sure if you need the registered version (mine is regged so i cant tell)
the option is here:

view > options > games tab > Intalled Games > Half Life > Anti-Cheat Programs

Select 'Launch Cheating Death when connecting to CD monitered servers'
locate your CD executable and then tick 'Shutdown CD when quitting game' option.

et voila.

Cereal_KillR · June 2003

</span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Pjofsky @ Jun 18 2003, 08:36 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> Or it could quite possibly the scorpian that--well, you know.  </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> 
shht you're not supposed to say it hovars without flapping for some reason! Cheaters caught unaware and the scorpian hovars it off to a remote location (without flapping)
scorpians make great anticheats

ka0s · June 2003

Cheating Death, Its upgraded alot and you can see who is not using it so you can easily pick out those who are suspicious.

LambdaProject · June 2003

CDeath all the way. VAC bans for any and everything, its just wrong. Plus it bans for things like hardware errors, corrupt files etc. Cdeath just makes sure hacks aren't working at all, not banning anyone who is even suspected of hacking by a corrupted file. The hell is that? I would go with VAC if it didn't ban without reason.

AND VAC bans stay though mods. So if you get banned in CS like a year ago you are banned from some NS and DOD servers. <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/mad.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='mad.gif'>

(Yes I am banned, but from CS for a long long time ago, I don't hack, whatever you choose to believe.)

dr_d · June 2003

Did you guys not read what I posted, you can use Jessen, one of the oldest hack programs for NS with the newest version of CD.

How is that an effective anti-hack?

And the reason VAC bans for corrupt files is all you have to do is switch a couple of .dlls and you have yourself an aimbot that CD wouldn't even detect.

Mintman · June 2003

</span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>Cheating-Death will reign supreme. It's much more effective than VAC, and is used (as of June 15th) on 31.5% of NS servers. 31.5%, that's not a number to scoff at </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'>
LOL tbh, that is completely irrelevant as NS doesn't support VAC atm and a anti-cheat is better than no anti-cheat

VAC is proving more effective at stopping cheats, as someone has said a few times Jessen avoids C-D.

XCan · June 2003

</span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Mintman @ Jun 18 2003, 09:08 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> </span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>Cheating-Death will reign supreme. It's much more effective than VAC, and is used (as of June 15th) on 31.5% of NS servers. 31.5%, that's not a number to scoff at </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'>
LOL tbh, that is completely irrelevant as NS doesn't support VAC atm and a anti-cheat is better than no anti-cheat

VAC is proving more effective at stopping cheats, as someone has said a few times Jessen avoids C-D.  </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> 
I hope that was a joke. You can't be serious that VAC stops more cheat than CD, if so I suggest you check out some of the large cheat sites.

dr_d · June 2003

</span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (dr.d @ Jun 18 2003, 04:05 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> Did you guys not read what I posted, you can use Jessen, one of the oldest hack programs for NS with the newest version of CD.

How is that an effective anti-hack?

And the reason VAC bans for corrupt files is all you have to do is switch a couple of .dlls and you have yourself an aimbot that CD wouldn't even detect.  </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> 
read for the love of god.

LambdaProject · June 2003

There are so many VAC proof hacks out there it's not even funny. Just go to the meta cheat website, the fugging joolz guy spends his whole life creating his hack and VAC proofing it.

enf0rcer · June 2003

what hacks do you get for NS out of curiosity. I assume wallhack, aimbot, speed hack. Are there hacks that are designed based on the ns system? I bet that alot of the cheaters out there 10 or so and are bouncing off the walls from a sugar high. <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/nerd.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='nerd.gif'>

dr_d · June 2003

Most VAC proof hacks these days are void of aim-botting and speed hacking, and wall hacks don't really matter to much in NS don't you think?

enf0rcer · June 2003

true but hackers are hackers and it's always an advantage to see if the enemy is facing your way.

e/ why do people call them hackers. They rn't. They are script kiddies. They download skill and havn't got a clue how to code. Forums for this type of thing are always full of installation help topics. I've been to a couple of cheat sites for cs and you'd be amazed at the time these guys have to make cheats. Why not get paid to fight against other hackers instead?

LambdaProject · June 2003

Because they have no life. "Hacking" will always be here unfortunately so both VAC and CD will never fully protect us, hopefully admins will be there somewhere <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'>

Boneless · June 2003

CD all the way... VAC is not being updated frequently... Maybe, in the future VAC will turn more effective... But at the present time CD is the sure winner and I will keep running it in required mode on my server... UA is doing a nice job.

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