Is This Bug Abusing?

DEMIURGODEMIURGO Join Date: 2003-06-21 Member: 17565Members
<div class="IPBDescription">Crouched BH and cl_drawviewmodel 0</div> Basically, couched bh allow you to move silently, yet it's a pretty hard tecnique to learn (I learned it in 3 years of TFC, but back then, BH wasn't forbidden). In Natural Selection i see many servers claiming that such tecnique it's forbidden <!--emo&:(--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/sad.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='sad.gif'><!--endemo-->
Since i want to be a fair ppl, is crouched bh considered cheating?

And more... cl_drawviewmodel 0 on some servers allows you to remove weapon model giving you good fps improvement and a more clear path of sight (especialy when you are skulking), yet as you use it you cant see parasites or sweeped enemies... i made a simple script that switch with 1 key beetwen the 2 ways of sight (1/0), but someone said me that it's illegal to use.

Well, i hope you can tell me what i can and what i can'T do, cya!
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  • CForresterCForrester P0rk(h0p Join Date: 2002-10-05 Member: 1439Members, Constellation
    You can't crouch BH because it makes it unfair for the aliens. You can be silent, move quick and be hard to hit (Crouch exploit) at the same time.

    Drawviewmodel 0 is an exploit, too. The skulk's view is the way it is for balance reasons. If you really want an FPS boost, get a new video card. You can get a decent one for under $100.
  • DEMIURGODEMIURGO Join Date: 2003-06-21 Member: 17565Members
    erm, i have a GF4 but a 800mhz and my fps are all about 30-40... in the middle of a marine base they drop to 10 <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif'><!--endemo-->

    Anyway, if it's bug abusing... but "standing" bh is allowed?
  • Speed_2_DaveSpeed_2_Dave Join Date: 2002-11-15 Member: 8788Members
    <!--QuoteBegin--DEMIURGO+Jun 21 2003, 03:53 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (DEMIURGO @ Jun 21 2003, 03:53 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Anyway, if it's bug abusing... but "standing" bh is allowed? <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    It all depends what side of the fence you stand on.
    If you're with the "bunnyhopping is good" crew, then some/most/all forms of BH are encouraged.
    If you're not.. Well, yeah, you get the picture.

    And with your PC and graphics card you should be doing better, did you not tweak your HL correctly? Check <a href='http://www.readyroom.org' target='_blank'>The Ready Room</a> if you want some help.
  • Jabba_The_HuntJabba_The_Hunt Join Date: 2003-01-05 Member: 11850Members
    I don't even know if i can BH or not, (I can move faster by jumping but its the speed increase that everyone says it is)

    Eitherway I think BH is fine unless the server bans it, but I agree with Flayra taking it out of NS.
  • PseudoKnightPseudoKnight Join Date: 2002-06-18 Member: 791Members
    I have tried the crouched bh. I'm a little confused whether it results in the same speed as walking bunnyhopping by alternating the crouching (which I can't seem to do) or if it's just a fast crouch speed. If it's the latter, by all means go ahead. Most good players do it as it's not different from walking bh. If it's the former... that's an excellent skill that I want to learn... lol. Even if it's just to play around. I really don't care if you do that against me as a skulk. You earned the advantage.
  • TeoHTeoH Join Date: 2002-12-30 Member: 11640Members
    <!--QuoteBegin--PseudoKnight+Jun 21 2003, 04:19 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (PseudoKnight @ Jun 21 2003, 04:19 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> I have tried the crouched bh. I'm a little confused whether it results in the same speed as walking bunnyhopping by alternating the crouching (which I can't seem to do) or if it's just a fast crouch speed. If it's the latter, by all means go ahead. Most good players do it as it's not different from walking bh. If it's the former... that's an excellent skill that I want to learn... lol. Even if it's just to play around. I really don't care if you do that against me as a skulk. You earned the advantage. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    Crouch hopping can be done at the exact same speed as 'normal' hopping, and you don't have to alternate the crouch you simply hold it and keep it held after the first jump.

    As for what's allowed and what isnt - It all depends on the rules that cover whichever game you're currently playing in. If a server has a welcome message rule against hopping, then don't hop there. If they don't, hop your **** off and ignore anyone who complains.
  • StoatBringerStoatBringer Join Date: 2003-06-09 Member: 17144Members, Constellation
    > erm, i have a GF4 but a 800mhz and my fps are all about 30-40

    Get the latest drivers from nvdia.com and turn vertical sync off, that might help. <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'><!--endemo-->
  • DFA_HaploDFA_Haplo Join Date: 2003-01-21 Member: 12537Members
    <!--QuoteBegin--DEMIURGO+Jun 21 2003, 03:53 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (DEMIURGO @ Jun 21 2003, 03:53 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> erm, i have a GF4 but a 800mhz and my fps are all about 30-40... in the middle of a marine base they drop to 10 <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif'><!--endemo-->

    Anyway, if it's bug abusing... but "standing" bh is allowed? <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    Change your screen resolution. Try 1024 X 768. Also turn off antialiasing and make sure your using Direct Draw or Open GL.

    As far as BH is concerned it really depends on what server you play on. We don't allow any exploits defined as: Any type of movement, view, sprite or model alteration that changes the game from what the developers had intended. This includes map exploits.

    Some servers allow all this stuff so its best to check with the admins when you connect or visit their website and read their server policy.
  • SkydancerSkydancer Join Date: 2003-03-28 Member: 14959Members, Constellation
    I'll link this to thegames and df forums, demi
  • OlljOllj our themepark-stalking nightmare Fade Join Date: 2002-12-12 Member: 10696Members
    edited June 2003
    I once hunted a crounched bunnyhopper as skulk. He made no sound and moved faster than a lerk or skulk.
    I hunted him over the half map till he killed me.

    I think it is absolutely fair because it requires leet skillz to bunnyhopp.
  • PodPod Join Date: 2002-11-03 Member: 5745Members
    i'm hoping your joking Ollj
  • Imp3Imp3 Join Date: 2003-01-22 Member: 12588Members
    edited June 2003
    I think bunnyhopping is ok and it's easy to avoid as skulk, just bh yourself, if u can't do it learn it. It's hard to learn, I know just train it a little (big) time and u'll learn it, in 1.1 it's gone so I'll enjoy my last bh times :-/

    In 1 point I've to agree, silent BH is lame it has too many advantages imho.

    and u "not-BHs" u don't even know how good u feel if u outrunned a skulk for the first time :-)
  • PodPod Join Date: 2002-11-03 Member: 5745Members
    <!--QuoteBegin--Imp3+Jun 21 2003, 01:22 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Imp3 @ Jun 21 2003, 01:22 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> I think bunnyhopping is ok and it's easy to avoid as skulk, just bh yourself, if u can't do it learn it. It's hard to learn, I know just train it a little (big) time and u'll learn it, in 1.1 it's gone so I'll enjoy my last bh times :-/

    In 1 point I've to agree, silent BH is lame it has too many advantages imho.

    and u "not-BHs" u don't even know how good u feel if u outrunned a skulk for the first time :-) <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    why learn something thats been/being removed next release?
  • PegePege Join Date: 2002-11-27 Member: 10088Members
    <!--QuoteBegin--Ollj+Jun 21 2003, 05:31 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Ollj @ Jun 21 2003, 05:31 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> I once hunted a crounched bunnyhopper as skulk. He made no sound and moved faster than a lerk or skulk.
    I hunted him over the half map till he killed me.

    I think it is absolutely fair because it requires leet skillz to bunnyhopp. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    Or a good script.
  • StoneburgStoneburg Join Date: 2002-11-11 Member: 8174Members
    Really? And how would that script look?
  • Amped1Amped1 Join Date: 2003-02-08 Member: 13287Members
    It would take some tweaking but all you need is +jump, +moveleft, +lookleft, +moveright, +lookright, and wait.
  • MausMaus Join Date: 2002-11-03 Member: 5599Members
    Yay! Let's encourage the use of dodgy-as-[censored] scripts. <!--emo&:angry:--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/mad.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='mad.gif'><!--endemo-->

    Seriously, I doubt even the leek bunnyhopzororz would like scripted BHing, since the always seem to be claiming BHing is a <i>skill</i>.
  • XzilenXzilen Join Date: 2002-12-30 Member: 11642Members, Constellation
    I don't understand how you get such low fps. Off my Geforce 2 I get about 30 fps :-\
  • DEMIURGODEMIURGO Join Date: 2003-06-21 Member: 17565Members
    There is 1 foundamental reason for the non existence of working BH script, insedie a "wait" you cant imput commands, so as the script would be running you could not move or shot your gun...
  • Speed_2_DaveSpeed_2_Dave Join Date: 2002-11-15 Member: 8788Members
    <!--QuoteBegin--DEMIURGO+Jun 21 2003, 12:01 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (DEMIURGO @ Jun 21 2003, 12:01 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> There is 1 foundamental reason for the non existence of working BH script, insedie a "wait" you cant imput commands, so as the script would be running you could not move or shot your gun... <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    I've seen a "working" BH script, but this was in CS where such a script actually overcomes set restrictions on BH'ing. He never shot while doing it, but he had other stuff that was shady about him, which just screamed h4x (I don't accuse people of hacking unless I see it for myself). They do exist.
  • Trojan2Trojan2 Join Date: 2003-01-14 Member: 12290Members
    I have seen BH scripts bunddled along with aimbots with a ncie little coner screen that allows you to asign numbers to options.
    Options were everything from BH only when no one was withing visual range to differnt types players that took priorty with aimbot. It was even set up to handle sevral differnt modes CS, TF and NS were the one I knew. (IE:
    You could set it to shoot at lerks then fades then skulks then gorges.
    You could allso set it to bunny hop when differnt players came within certain ranges (handy for dogdeing skulks)
    I already set a link off to UA hopefully its already been incorperated in CD3.2
  • TeiohTeioh Canadia Join Date: 2002-11-20 Member: 9453Members, Constellation
    Bhop for life, I love outrunning skulks! I seem to find that bhopping with skulk and fade are the most effective.
  • NessNess Join Date: 2002-12-17 Member: 10935Members, Reinforced - Onos
    As for "Learn bunnyhopping if you don't like it", true bunnyhopping takes 100 fps and a wheel in your mouse binded to jump (in tfc anyway, this is the sort of bunnyhopping that has HW Guys flying past scouts. I can BH on my friend's 2.4 gig comp that runs at a solid 100 fps in NS, yet can't do it all on on my low end machine (633 megahrtz, 128 ram, 20-30 fps if i'm lucky). Not to mention I don't own a wheel mouse. So why would it be fair to give those with high end machines an even bigger advantage over low end machines? Bah, why bother, someone will just post back with something painful to the eyes like "If you got the scrillz it pays the billz oloplskthxbye".

    Well there really is no point to arguing anyway, as BH was said to be taken out in 1.1, and probably has.
  • TeiohTeioh Canadia Join Date: 2002-11-20 Member: 9453Members, Constellation
    <!--QuoteBegin--Ness-Earthbound+Jun 21 2003, 01:07 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Ness-Earthbound @ Jun 21 2003, 01:07 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> As for "Learn bunnyhopping if you don't like it", true bunnyhopping takes 100 fps and a wheel in your mouse binded to jump (in tfc anyway, this is the sort of bunnyhopping that has HW Guys flying past scouts. I can BH on my friend's 2.4 gig comp that runs at a solid 100 fps in NS, yet can't do it all on on my low end machine (633 megahrtz, 128 ram, 20-30 fps if i'm lucky). Not to mention I don't own a wheel mouse. So why would it be fair to give those with high end machines an even bigger advantage over low end machines? Bah, why bother, someone will just post back with something painful to the eyes like "If you got the scrillz it pays the billz oloplskthxbye".

    Well there really is no point to arguing anyway, as BH was said to be taken out in 1.1, and probably has. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    What are you talking about? I don't use my mousewheel and I don't have a high end machine, yet I can still fly past people...
  • DEMIURGODEMIURGO Join Date: 2003-06-21 Member: 17565Members
    <!--QuoteBegin--Ness-Earthbound+Jun 21 2003, 01:07 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Ness-Earthbound @ Jun 21 2003, 01:07 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> As for "Learn bunnyhopping if you don't like it", true bunnyhopping takes 100 fps and a wheel in your mouse binded to jump (in tfc anyway, this is the sort of bunnyhopping that has HW Guys flying past scouts. I can BH on my friend's 2.4 gig comp that runs at a solid 100 fps in NS, yet can't do it all on on my low end machine (633 megahrtz, 128 ram, 20-30 fps if i'm lucky). Not to mention I don't own a wheel mouse. So why would it be fair to give those with high end machines an even bigger advantage over low end machines? Bah, why bother, someone will just post back with something painful to the eyes like "If you got the scrillz it pays the billz oloplskthxbye".

    Well there really is no point to arguing anyway, as BH was said to be taken out in 1.1, and probably has. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    This is meaningfull, yet i disagree, bhopping is possible from 30 fps on. Obviously on TFC with 100fps it was easier (TFC physics is far cleaner than NS's)...
    In any case, i'm not claiming that everyone manages to bhop on lowend machines (probably a matter of bearing to it), so you have a point there...
  • Pr0phecyPr0phecy Join Date: 2002-04-04 Member: 381Members
    Can someone tell me whats wit all the vid card makes ur fps better?...Me n my friend have the same card (Gf4 Mx440) and he gets ...50 more fps than me!...I have 10-15 Fps,And he plays wit a constant 55-60 fps,So i have no idea why u all saying : Get a better vid card
  • NessNess Join Date: 2002-12-17 Member: 10935Members, Reinforced - Onos
    edited June 2003
    <!--QuoteBegin--Dead_Dan+Jun 21 2003, 01:08 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Dead_Dan @ Jun 21 2003, 01:08 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> What are you talking about? I don't use my mousewheel and I don't have a high end machine, yet I can still fly past people... <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    There is a HUGE difference in bhopping preformance between high and low end machines. And if you don't have a mousewheel when you're bunnyhopping, 80% most likely you only think you are and you're doing it wrong. I've run into too many people who think they can BH and turns out they are just diagonal jumping or some dumb stuff like that. Mousewheel makes it infinitely easier to bh.

    Not saying you don't know how to BH, but since i generally don't respect it in NS anyway I suppose I shouldn't care, and I'm simply saying you'll bh with more accuracy and probably faster if your using a highend machine and a mousewheel (and that's my gripe with NS bunnyhopping, just one more advantage to high end machines). But as i said before, the arguing is pointless anyway. Right now is the perfect time for the script kiddies to get their "elite" on, before 1.1 comes out, and I bet they will.

    Now that I look at it it addresses what DEMI said a bit as well, so i'll leave it as my reply to both of you.
  • rennexrennex Join Date: 2002-11-01 Member: 2688Members
    All forms of speed-increasing bunnyhoppin has been removed from 1.1, sooooo does it matter?
  • PulsePulse To create, to create and escape. Join Date: 2002-08-29 Member: 1248Members, Constellation
    Well, people seem to think getting a new vid card will solve all thier problems, it won't, if your video card can run regular HL with decent FPS but NS runs slow a new vid card wont help one bit, what people should be upgrading is thier cpu, with that said, if the server says no bhopping, don't bhop, if it says go ahead... well, go ahead, bhopping does nothing but hurt gameplay so its being removed in 1.1, I get around 30-50 fps and mwheeldown bhopping works perfectly, I don't use it though, btw my comp is a 500 mhz celeron with 256 mbs of sdram and a Geforce 2 MX 32mb, you guys aren't using your computers to thier full potential, I reccomend you use a tweaking program like <a href='http://www.xteq.com' target='_blank'>X-Setup</a> to improve your fps.
  • DEMIURGODEMIURGO Join Date: 2003-06-21 Member: 17565Members
    Ness And Renex, it isn't pointless since we don't know how far 1.1 is, and i'm looking forward to play in the meantime <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'><!--endemo-->
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