I was under the impression that r_drawviewmodel 0 was considered an exploit due to the fact that if you did not have it on, it would give you the upper hand over other players because it makes aiming easy as pie.
It has nothing to do with "detracting from realism" as you said originally, N1ght
<!--QuoteBegin--cri.tical+Jul 1 2003, 07:45 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (cri.tical @ Jul 1 2003, 07:45 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> I get tired of all the whiners on these boards who call every %&@-*%#@ thing an exploit. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> Let's consult the <a href='http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=exploit' target='_blank'>dictionary</a>:
<i><li>To employ to the greatest possible advantage: exploit one's talents. <li>To make use of selfishly or unethically: a country that exploited peasant labor. See Synonyms at manipulate.</i> <li>To advertise; promote.
Note the word 'un<i>ethically</i>'. Declaring something an exploit is a judgement call. If you disagree with the whiners, that's your opinion, which you are as much entitled to as they are to theirs. 'Exploits' can seldomly be completely evited by anything but a codechange - defining them as such is thus always a question of consent within a server- or leaguecommunity. Play with those who agree with you, don't play against the notion of the rest of a server, it'll only create friction.
<!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->If its its part of the game, and you are competitive, you are a FOOL not to use it. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Following that rule, every boxing fight should be decided by who manages to hits the others groin first. There's something like good sportsmanship, which, again, is based on personal judgement.
<!--QuoteBegin--N1ght+Jun 30 2003, 11:32 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (N1ght @ Jun 30 2003, 11:32 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> only in natural selection and more specifically the clan community have i ever discovered that this is classed as an exploit, or lame. My simple question is why ?
Personally i find the 1.04 models very obscuring
<!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> As far as i see it youve answered your own question.
If the models werent obstructive, then removing them wouldnt be lame.
By removing them you have an advantage over people who prefer them on.
People should be allowed to play the game in its default settings without worrying that other people have a big advantage over them. Not everyone is obsessed with tweaking every aspect of the game to improve thier performance, some people actually play because its a fun and atmospheric game.
I dont understand why people always feel the need to tweak a game to make it easier, isnt the challenge part of the fun?
we get a thread on this subject every once in a while, and i agree with eggmac here, In all those threads, no-one gets anywhere. This is no exception. Its been quite a few pages and it seems to be the same things being said.
I shall leave it to the admins whether or not to lock this, but i dont see us getting anywhere <!--emo&:(--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/sad.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='sad.gif'><!--endemo-->
I agree. I don't think anyone's said anything that hasn't been said 1000 times already, and people are starting to get defensive, as usually happens in this topic. Locked.
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It has nothing to do with "detracting from realism" as you said originally, N1ght
<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Let's consult the <a href='http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=exploit' target='_blank'>dictionary</a>:
tr.v.<b> ex·ploit·ed, ex·ploit·ing, ex·ploits</b> (k-sploit, ksploit)
<i><li>To employ to the greatest possible advantage: exploit one's talents.
<li>To make use of selfishly or unethically: a country that exploited peasant labor. See Synonyms at manipulate.</i>
<li>To advertise; promote.
Note the word 'un<i>ethically</i>'. Declaring something an exploit is a judgement call.
If you disagree with the whiners, that's your opinion, which you are as much entitled to as they are to theirs. 'Exploits' can seldomly be completely evited by anything but a codechange - defining them as such is thus always a question of consent within a server- or leaguecommunity. Play with those who agree with you, don't play against the notion of the rest of a server, it'll only create friction.
<!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->If its its part of the game, and you are competitive, you are a FOOL not to use it. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Following that rule, every boxing fight should be decided by who manages to hits the others groin first. There's something like good sportsmanship, which, again, is based on personal judgement.
My simple question is why ?
Personally i find the 1.04 models very obscuring
<!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
As far as i see it youve answered your own question.
If the models werent obstructive, then removing them wouldnt be lame.
By removing them you have an advantage over people who prefer them on.
People should be allowed to play the game in its default settings without worrying that other people have a big advantage over them. Not everyone is obsessed with tweaking every aspect of the game to improve thier performance, some people actually play because its a fun and atmospheric game.
I dont understand why people always feel the need to tweak a game to make it easier, isnt the challenge part of the fun?
This is no exception. Its been quite a few pages and it seems to be the same things being said.
I shall leave it to the admins whether or not to lock this, but i dont see us getting anywhere <!--emo&:(--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/sad.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='sad.gif'><!--endemo-->