A View Of Ns, A Newbies Perspective
That_One_Guy
Join Date: 2003-06-26 Member: 17718Members
Join Date: 2003-06-26 Member: 17718Members
So I've been playing NS for a week or so now, and gameplay wise everything is very balanced. Kudos to the DEV team for that. I haven't seen a profound amount of hacking, or really any at all that I've noticed. The only real problem I've noticed with NS are the people.
There seems to be a profound sense of elitism within the community. I've read the stickies and everone is like "oh yeah that's wrong we'll be nice the noobies blah blah" but in game is a different story. You can't play for 5 minutes without hearing someone go "freaking noobies I hate them." If you make a mistake you are instantly roasted. What makes it worse is more often than not the admins are cheering them on. Design wise this is an incredibly brilliant mod. Community wise you are all going the way of counter-strike.
You are going to get a horde of people comming in when 2.0 gets released. You either need to clean up your act or you're gonna die a slow painful death. As for me, well I don't know. If I find a decent server with good people I'll keep playing and enjoying this brilliant mod, otherwise, well...yeah.
I can only hope things get better, it would be a shame to lose NS.
There seems to be a profound sense of elitism within the community. I've read the stickies and everone is like "oh yeah that's wrong we'll be nice the noobies blah blah" but in game is a different story. You can't play for 5 minutes without hearing someone go "freaking noobies I hate them." If you make a mistake you are instantly roasted. What makes it worse is more often than not the admins are cheering them on. Design wise this is an incredibly brilliant mod. Community wise you are all going the way of counter-strike.
You are going to get a horde of people comming in when 2.0 gets released. You either need to clean up your act or you're gonna die a slow painful death. As for me, well I don't know. If I find a decent server with good people I'll keep playing and enjoying this brilliant mod, otherwise, well...yeah.
I can only hope things get better, it would be a shame to lose NS.
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i ask you to try around till you found a group of people you enjoy playing with and make it a fav server... pubbing in NS is not to fun as it is in CS... people will trust you alot more with the good stuff if you have played with them before.
Most newbies probably wont get to much trouble if they just dont go gorge or comm, and try to do what people ask them to do. If your not sure what to do, just ask on team say, you will probably get at least one helpful response from some one.
Edit: spelling...
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? Right. Their "act" is strongly moderated IRC chat rooms and forums. You cannot have the NS Police going in games and making sure that everyone treats each other fairly. How a player acts in game does not reflect upon the community, or the mod. They cannot control a single person on some server, however they can control the forums and other things that make up the NS community. Where and when the NS devs/moderators can keep the community in line - they do. If you stick around you will see that there are very little of the people you described.
Also, you said you are a newbie. Much like any other "newbie" they have a bad game and come rant and post about it on the forums. Maybe wait until you have been around to most of the servers, know most of the things that go on, and realize that there are fools in life before you make another post about how horrible the majority of the NS community is.
its a competative game, people want to win. when im getting my battered i tend to get pretty angry at my team mates, shouting places to go etc... dont take it personally.
people were only annoyed cos we were loosing.
i mean its never fun to win most of your encounters with the enemy, and still see your team loosing due to inexperienced players.
and yes i know we were all new once, im just putting across the reason for the elitism as i see it.
Once 2.0 is released, I'll see if we can get some policy involving a kick or temp ban for people who are critical of new players.
I'll try my best as admin for Nano to make sure that no one gets burnt.
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I normally get along with most of the regulars, (yes including Ned the scrub) and like the atmosphere. But found some other guys that talk so much about teamwork and cooperation in the forums being worthless to the team ingame. *Cough* Supernorn *Cough*.
I really do care about winning. I always try to gorge when I am alien, knowing I got more of a chance doing it that most of the other guys. Commanding.. well. its another story. I got a through a really close game today on Nano. But I couldnt get my team to listen fast enough, to react fast or follow advanced tasks and orders.
I did everything I could for my team, yet they failed me. Some people whine about bad comms while they dont see their own faults. What matters to some people is victory. If you want to socialize, go to a chat room. Because frankly its annoying to have your team talking to the other team everytime they die, or complain and tell you what to do.
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Noob - New Player, who needs some help learning....
newb - Player who doesn't want to learn. They may be new, but they don't listen. They are the annoying ones.....
I myself have only been playing a shrot time, but I got lucky, a friend who brought me into it took me under thier wing, and helped me out... and I try to rreturn the favor as much as possible. If you want some help, I use the same name on All Seeing Eye, and in NS Games, so you can add my to ASE buddy list, and Jump into a server with me sometime.... or e-mail me (macguyvok@myrealbox.com) or IM me on aim... or w/e... I love helping people out.
Anyway... I'd love to help organize/participate in some sort of "Noob Training" or something... basically schedual a workshop where some vets, or experianced players play games with noobs, and help them learn the game better.... Heck, I'd kill for that! (Near as I know it might even be a novel idea for a gaming community)
As a very team based gamed, your performance will often be affected by the actions of other players on the server as you. As a result, this means A) When people play badly, they have a ready made scapegoat, and B) If you play well, it's even more infuriating to lose due to the actions of 'n00bs'
This is simply an unfixable problem, until the community grows up. The problem being, as more & more people discover NS, and the Internet in general has it's average user age go down, it's quite likely to get worse before the dedicated core section of the community makes it better.
- Shockeh
The one thing I have noticed is the total inflexabilty on many servers. I watched in horror as an Admin started to kick people that did not perform well on his team. Just admitting that you didn't know much was recieved with threats.
Christ, I was getting threats because of my tag. I get lost, I don't suck at the game.
<a href='http://www.tribes2maps.com/ns/' target='_blank'>http://www.tribes2maps.com/ns/</a>
I normally get along with most of the regulars, (yes including Ned the scrub) and like the atmosphere. But found some other guys that talk so much about teamwork and cooperation in the forums being worthless to the team ingame. *Cough* Supernorn *Cough*.
I really do care about winning. I always try to gorge when I am alien, knowing I got more of a chance doing it that most of the other guys. Commanding.. well. its another story. I got a through a really close game today on Nano. But I couldnt get my team to listen fast enough, to react fast or follow advanced tasks and orders.
I did everything I could for my team, yet they failed me. Some people whine about bad comms while they dont see their own faults. What matters to some people is victory. If you want to socialize, go to a chat room. Because frankly its annoying to have your team talking to the other team everytime they die, or complain and tell you what to do.
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You're just mad because I got that parasite kill <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif'><!--endemo--> <!--emo&::skulk::--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/skulk.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='skulk.gif'><!--endemo--> <!--emo&::marine::--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/marine.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='marine.gif'><!--endemo--> I think being social is part of the fun in ns, and if they're typing in text it's not a big deal. When people use voicecomm as a chat room it gets bad. I've also seen norn use more teamwork than most ns players, quit bashing him.
I'd agree with you on the nano commanding though, I always find some n00b begging for an hmg or shotgun so they can get killed as soon as they exit base. They also seem to never do what they're told and just beg for hmgs. Give them a pack of ammo each time they ask and tell them that's all they'll get.
"newb": Short for newbie, a player new to the game/community who still needs to learn. Potentially detrimental to gameplay. To defuse, should be pumped full of knowledge and tips when encountered. Turns into "normal player" when defused.
"n00b": The "elite" version of newb. One who persists in disregarding any and all helpful advice because "it is their game and they can play it whatever way they want". Disastrous to gameplay. To defuse, kick on sight. Disappears when defused.
Examples of common usage: "I'm a newbie, so I hope I can be of some use to you. What are these buttons for?"
"OMG f/o n00b, stop building Sensory Chambers on all the nodes!"
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Holy crap! <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif'><!--endemo--> Nice. Not sure how much it can help.. Its a problem with 3d space. (I get lost in RL with a map.) But man, thanks these maps are great.
If you see an admin kicking people for simply being new to the game, I'd advise you to try another server. CoFR, in particular, is full of helpful people and lots of fair admins (just good luck getting into it).
And for the record, when I played with supernorn he was a good team player.
I normally get along with most of the regulars, (yes including Ned the scrub) and like the atmosphere. But found some other guys that talk so much about teamwork and cooperation in the forums being worthless to the team ingame. *Cough* Supernorn *Cough*.
I really do care about winning. I always try to gorge when I am alien, knowing I got more of a chance doing it that most of the other guys. Commanding.. well. its another story. I got a through a really close game today on Nano. But I couldnt get my team to listen fast enough, to react fast or follow advanced tasks and orders.
I did everything I could for my team, yet they failed me. Some people whine about bad comms while they dont see their own faults. What matters to some people is victory. If you want to socialize, go to a chat room. Because frankly its annoying to have your team talking to the other team everytime they die, or complain and tell you what to do.
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You're just mad because I got that parasite kill <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif'><!--endemo--> <!--emo&::skulk::--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/skulk.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='skulk.gif'><!--endemo--> <!--emo&::marine::--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/marine.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='marine.gif'><!--endemo--> I think being social is part of the fun in ns, and if they're typing in text it's not a big deal. When people use voicecomm as a chat room it gets bad. I've also seen norn use more teamwork than most ns players, quit bashing him.
I'd agree with you on the nano commanding though, I always find some n00b begging for an hmg or shotgun so they can get killed as soon as they exit base. They also seem to never do what they're told and just beg for hmgs. Give them a pack of ammo each time they ask and tell them that's all they'll get. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
Nah man. I dont care if I die. I just get **** off when I send my marines to somewhere and they go to the total opposite direction. Even after I personally tell them where to go. It also gets me angry when I order them something and they hesitate to do it because they say its impossible. ;/
It is something that you find in all mods - maybe its worse because you need you team-mates more so you get more hurt and they get more annoyed.
Noob - New Player, who needs some help learning....
newb - Player who doesn't want to learn. They may be new, but they don't listen. They are the annoying ones.....
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wth??? Ive played many online games and its always the other way around. I call new people newbs and help them and tell pthers everyones a newb once and to help them. If someone Rambos and dies against orders again and again i call hm a noob.
I also often wonder about the ignorant ones. And I welcome and help new players.
Have some patience, social skills come to most people in time. Most people will eventually learn to value comunication with their team. It just takes some patience.
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