Intel Pentium5 Details Leaking...
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<div class="IPBDescription">Countrpoint to yesterdays Athlon64 post</div> (From CNET - <a href='http://news.com.com/2100-1006_3-1024237.html?tag=fd_top' target='_blank'>http://news.com.com/2100-1006_3-1024237.ht...html?tag=fd_top</a> as well as more technical details at Tomshardware - <a href='http://www.tomshardware.com/cpu/20030623/p4_3200-02.html' target='_blank'>http://www.tomshardware.com/cpu/20030623/p...p4_3200-02.html</a> )
In my case, such pretty new processors are more important in that they drive current-gen chip prices waaaayyyyy down. Want that new P4 3Ghz? It will be in the bargain bin when the P5 releases. Of course, if you must on the bleeding edge, September looks to be the month for razor burn...
<!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Chip details leak out of Intel
By Kai Schmerer and Michael Kanellos
Special to CNET News.com
July 9, 2003, 1:30 PM PT
Prescott, the next big desktop chip from Intel, is slated to come out at 3.4GHz, while Dothan, an energy-efficient chip for slim notebooks, will have a server-size cache and is expected to debut at 1.8GHz, according to computer industry sources.
The Santa Clara, Calif.-based chipmaker is gearing up for a busy second half of the year with a slew of new chips and price cuts, according to an Intel presentation forwarded to CNET News.com as well as industry sources. Details about future server chips also came out.
Competitors Advanced Micro Devices and Apple Computer will also tout new high-end products in the second half, creating an atmosphere similar to the end of 1999 when AMD and Intel loudly proclaimed the virtues of new, highly competitive chips.
"Come fall, the market for processors will start to get pretty interesting," said Dean McCarron, principal analyst at Mercury Research.
Intel declined to comment.
Prescott, which will come out in the fourth quarter, will contain a number of enhancements over the current Pentium 4, including new instructions for multimedia processing and a 1MB cache, a pool of memory on the chip for fast data access. Current Pentium 4s have a 512KB cache.
The chip is slated come out at 3.4GHz, according to the sources, and then speed up to 3.6GHz in the first quarter of 2004. It is unclear whether the chip will be sold as a Pentium 4 or be renamed, but history indicates that the architectural changes would justify a new brand name.
Prescott is expected to cost $637 in volume quantities. Although a release date was not specified, Intel plans to cut the prices on its other processors on Oct. 26 by up to 35 percent, the first Pentium 4 price cuts since June. Typically, price cuts and chip releases occur at about the same time.
Although the chip speeds won't likely change, the final prices are more subject to fluctuations.
In the Celeron line, Intel will ready a 2.7GHz chip in the second half and cut prices on the rest of the line on Aug. 24.
In the second half of 2004, the desktop picture will change again. Chipsets that support PCI Express, a future chip input-output standard, and DDR2 memory will come out for the first time, according to the document. Tejas, the successor to Prescott, is scheduled for around the same time.
Notebook madness
Intel's notebook lineup, meanwhile, will see a greater number of changes. A new Pentium M, the processor found in Centrino notebooks, will come out in the third quarter running at 1.7GHz. This chip will contain 1MB of cache.
Dothan, the code-name for the next Pentium M, will be released in the fourth quarter, expected at $637. Dothan will differ from existing Pentium Ms in that it will be made on the 90-nanometer manufacturing process. (Pentium Ms are made on the 130-nanometer process, meaning that the average size of features on the chip measure 130 nanometers, or billionths of a meter).
Advancing the manufacturing process means that Intel can add more transistors to the chip. As a result, the cache will double to 2MB. By comparison, Intel's top Xeon chip for servers has a 2MB cache and it sells for over $3,000. AMD's top server chip has a 1MB cache.
A large cache allows a computer to keep a substantial amount of data close to the processor. If the processor has to snag data out of memory, or the hard drive, performance dips. Rival AMD has chosen to use a smaller cache and ameliorate some of the data access problems in its latest chip through integrating the memory controller or including HyperTransport links. Still, a big cache generally helps speed things up.
Dothan is slated to speed up to 1.9GHz in the first quarter of 2004 and 2GHz in the following quarter.
Low-voltage and ultra-low-voltage versions of Dothan for even better battery life will emerge at the same time. In the fourth quarter, a 1.2GHz low-voltage Dothan is expected be released followed by a 1.3GHz and a 1GHz ultra-low-voltage version in the first quarter.
Celeron chips for the mobile market will also get a cache and speed boost. Mobile Celerons now have a 256KB cache and a 133MHz system bus, the path that connects the processor to memory.
In the first quarter of 2004, Intel will debut a 1.3GHz mobile Celeron with a 400MHz bus and a 512KB of cache, similar to specifications that, until recently, could be found on the fastest Pentium 4 desktop chips. An 800MHz ultra-low-voltage Celeron will also come out at the same time. Speed bumps to both of these chips will follow in the second quarter.
Similarly, the company is expected to increase the speed of the Pentium 4 chips used in notebooks. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
In my case, such pretty new processors are more important in that they drive current-gen chip prices waaaayyyyy down. Want that new P4 3Ghz? It will be in the bargain bin when the P5 releases. Of course, if you must on the bleeding edge, September looks to be the month for razor burn...
<!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Chip details leak out of Intel
By Kai Schmerer and Michael Kanellos
Special to CNET News.com
July 9, 2003, 1:30 PM PT
Prescott, the next big desktop chip from Intel, is slated to come out at 3.4GHz, while Dothan, an energy-efficient chip for slim notebooks, will have a server-size cache and is expected to debut at 1.8GHz, according to computer industry sources.
The Santa Clara, Calif.-based chipmaker is gearing up for a busy second half of the year with a slew of new chips and price cuts, according to an Intel presentation forwarded to CNET News.com as well as industry sources. Details about future server chips also came out.
Competitors Advanced Micro Devices and Apple Computer will also tout new high-end products in the second half, creating an atmosphere similar to the end of 1999 when AMD and Intel loudly proclaimed the virtues of new, highly competitive chips.
"Come fall, the market for processors will start to get pretty interesting," said Dean McCarron, principal analyst at Mercury Research.
Intel declined to comment.
Prescott, which will come out in the fourth quarter, will contain a number of enhancements over the current Pentium 4, including new instructions for multimedia processing and a 1MB cache, a pool of memory on the chip for fast data access. Current Pentium 4s have a 512KB cache.
The chip is slated come out at 3.4GHz, according to the sources, and then speed up to 3.6GHz in the first quarter of 2004. It is unclear whether the chip will be sold as a Pentium 4 or be renamed, but history indicates that the architectural changes would justify a new brand name.
Prescott is expected to cost $637 in volume quantities. Although a release date was not specified, Intel plans to cut the prices on its other processors on Oct. 26 by up to 35 percent, the first Pentium 4 price cuts since June. Typically, price cuts and chip releases occur at about the same time.
Although the chip speeds won't likely change, the final prices are more subject to fluctuations.
In the Celeron line, Intel will ready a 2.7GHz chip in the second half and cut prices on the rest of the line on Aug. 24.
In the second half of 2004, the desktop picture will change again. Chipsets that support PCI Express, a future chip input-output standard, and DDR2 memory will come out for the first time, according to the document. Tejas, the successor to Prescott, is scheduled for around the same time.
Notebook madness
Intel's notebook lineup, meanwhile, will see a greater number of changes. A new Pentium M, the processor found in Centrino notebooks, will come out in the third quarter running at 1.7GHz. This chip will contain 1MB of cache.
Dothan, the code-name for the next Pentium M, will be released in the fourth quarter, expected at $637. Dothan will differ from existing Pentium Ms in that it will be made on the 90-nanometer manufacturing process. (Pentium Ms are made on the 130-nanometer process, meaning that the average size of features on the chip measure 130 nanometers, or billionths of a meter).
Advancing the manufacturing process means that Intel can add more transistors to the chip. As a result, the cache will double to 2MB. By comparison, Intel's top Xeon chip for servers has a 2MB cache and it sells for over $3,000. AMD's top server chip has a 1MB cache.
A large cache allows a computer to keep a substantial amount of data close to the processor. If the processor has to snag data out of memory, or the hard drive, performance dips. Rival AMD has chosen to use a smaller cache and ameliorate some of the data access problems in its latest chip through integrating the memory controller or including HyperTransport links. Still, a big cache generally helps speed things up.
Dothan is slated to speed up to 1.9GHz in the first quarter of 2004 and 2GHz in the following quarter.
Low-voltage and ultra-low-voltage versions of Dothan for even better battery life will emerge at the same time. In the fourth quarter, a 1.2GHz low-voltage Dothan is expected be released followed by a 1.3GHz and a 1GHz ultra-low-voltage version in the first quarter.
Celeron chips for the mobile market will also get a cache and speed boost. Mobile Celerons now have a 256KB cache and a 133MHz system bus, the path that connects the processor to memory.
In the first quarter of 2004, Intel will debut a 1.3GHz mobile Celeron with a 400MHz bus and a 512KB of cache, similar to specifications that, until recently, could be found on the fastest Pentium 4 desktop chips. An 800MHz ultra-low-voltage Celeron will also come out at the same time. Speed bumps to both of these chips will follow in the second quarter.
Similarly, the company is expected to increase the speed of the Pentium 4 chips used in notebooks. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
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Heh, that was pretty witty.
Good chip or not, I do not want companies to hold control over what is on my computer and how it runs.
Also, unless intel changes, their 64-bit home PC chip will go bust without 32 and 16bit native processes, while AMD will flourish.
Mmm... HL2 + WinXP Pro both optimized for 64-bit...
As I understand it, in order to do anything on your computer under TCPA/Palladium it has to get permission from a server that distributes the decryption keys that you have access to. In the short run it will mean that a wealth of new content delivery systems will open up. (mp3s or movies that expire after a couple of days, etc, etc) In the long run it will mean that microsoft and the american government will be able to control and monitor anything you do with your computer. Whistle blowing will become impossible because corporate documents will be able to be set such that they can only be read on the pcs at the corporation. (Enron and Worldcom anyone?) Universal censorship will become trivial to implement. Is a document too 'dangerous'? just turn it off on everyone's computer. Books will be able to be unpublished.
It will also give microsoft the ability to cause any competing software to stop functioning, and once the chip architecture gets improved it will be uncrackable.
I think the TCPA and the adoption of electronic voting are the two scariest things happening right now.
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anybody know if theres a way to manufacture your own computer / buy from a different cmopany that doesnt support it, and still be compatible with everything else? i.e go on the internet?
thanks
I'm not so sure. When you start dealing with encryption it can become infeasible to crack on a theoretical level. The methods of breaking these types of encryption systems usually involve lifting messages out of pipelines in the hardware to get the decryption keys. But once the fritz chip gets incorporated directly into the processor, it will become impossible for an individual to get at. There will no longer be a line to lift it out of.
I'm not so sure. When you start dealing with encryption it can become infeasible to crack on a theoretical level. The methods of breaking these types of encryption systems usually involve lifting messages out of pipelines in the hardware to get the decryption keys. But once the fritz chip gets incorporated directly into the processor, it will become impossible for an individual to get at. There will no longer be a line to lift it out of. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
As long as there hackers and crackers, there will always be cracked hardware and software... And this is Microsoft, we're talking about. Remember how XP was supposed to be secure and uncrackable?
I don't recall anyone from microsoft saying it was uncrackable. They said it was the most secure windows ever... and it is.