Distributing Ns 2.0

r4m3n_n00dlesr4m3n_n00dles Join Date: 2003-01-16 Member: 12332Members
<div class="IPBDescription">BitTorrent!</div> I was hearing talk about how people would like to distribute the upcoming version of NS via <a href='http://bitconjurer.org/BitTorrent/' target='_blank'>BitTorrent</a>. Distributing the new version in this manner would possibly be beneficial for all, in that no one will be <a href='http://www.fileplanet.com/help/queue.shtml' target='_blank'>waiting in line</a> at FilePlanet, and other <a href='http://www.natural-selection.org/downloads.html' target='_blank'>less managed servers</a> wouldn’t be so damn slow. In turn, many people would get a much faster download if it started with many (20+) people (playtesters) seeding.

There was concern expressed however about using trackers of pirating sites for distributing, and I am not aware of any trackers that are not also associated in some small way with illicit file sharing.

Does NS have the ability to host it’s own tracker to coordinate BT downloads? Would this be feasible as a primary means of distribution?

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  • CatpokerCatpoker Join Date: 2002-06-25 Member: 816Members
    edited July 2003
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  • r4m3n_n00dlesr4m3n_n00dles Join Date: 2003-01-16 Member: 12332Members
  • fewfew Join Date: 2003-04-02 Member: 15128Members
    heh, since were takin' it to the next level on gameplay, lets take it to the next level on distribution =D <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif'><!--endemo--> <!--emo&:0--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/wow.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wow.gif'><!--endemo-->
  • SNiperMarineSNiperMarine Join Date: 2003-07-10 Member: 18085Banned
    where exactily is fileplanet located? what planet?
  • N1ghtN1ght Join Date: 2003-04-07 Member: 15301Members
    <!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->where exactily is fileplanet located? what planet? <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->

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    im assuming thats sarcasm, but if it isn't fileplanet is a website that allows you to download a whole host of files from, and will probably be a mirror for the upcoming 2.0 release. <a href='http://www.fileplanet.com' target='_blank'>fileplanet website</a>
  • a_civiliana_civilian Likes seeing numbers Join Date: 2003-01-08 Member: 12041Members, NS1 Playtester, Playtest Lead
    <!--QuoteBegin--SNiperMarine+Jul 12 2003, 03:10 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (SNiperMarine @ Jul 12 2003, 03:10 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> where exactily is fileplanet located? what planet? <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    Fileplanet is it's own planet.
  • th0r0nth0r0n Born again n00b Join Date: 2003-06-12 Member: 17313Members
    The planet of File.
  • ANeMANeM Join Date: 2003-05-13 Member: 16267Members, Constellation
    Planet of File?
    Would that also be known as "The planet where there are 8 perfectly good servers for the 5 people who subscribed and 4 rusty old turd buckets for the other some odd million people who just want files"?

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  • VenmochVenmoch Join Date: 2002-08-07 Member: 1093Members
    I'd like to see a Steam release.

    Because Steam is just spiffy as hell!
  • Infected_MarineInfected_Marine Join Date: 2002-12-21 Member: 11287Members
    <!--QuoteBegin--ANeM+Jul 12 2003, 02:27 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (ANeM @ Jul 12 2003, 02:27 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Planet of File?
    Would that also be known as "The planet where there are 8 perfectly good servers for the 5 people who subscribed and 4 rusty old turd buckets for the other some odd million people who just want files"?

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    Yes. I actually like that people haven't figured out that it would be better to not DL from them, takes the traffic off of other servers.
  • CrashukCrashuk Join Date: 2003-07-03 Member: 17908Members
    Post it on sharelive.com
  • CForresterCForrester P0rk(h0p Join Date: 2002-10-05 Member: 1439Members, Constellation
    BitTorrent SUCKS. To be QUITE honest. Unless there are 20 other people sharing the file that have super-fast connections, the downloads are <b>S L O W</b>. In fact, they're slow all the time. I've never had a BitTorrent file go above 20 KBPS. <b>S L O W</b>. I'd rather wait in line for an hour and spend 10 minutes downloading NS, than wait 4 days using BitTorrent.
  • EzekielEzekiel Join Date: 2002-11-01 Member: 3006Members
    edited July 2003
    <!--QuoteBegin--CForrester+Jul 12 2003, 09:07 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (CForrester @ Jul 12 2003, 09:07 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> BitTorrent SUCKS. To be QUITE honest. Unless there are 20 other people sharing the file that have super-fast connections, the downloads are <b>S L O W</b>. In fact, they're slow all the time. I've never had a BitTorrent file go above 20 KBPS. <b>S L O W</b>. I'd rather wait in line for an hour and spend 10 minutes downloading NS, than wait 4 days using BitTorrent. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    ive regularly had the files im downloading off BT go 120kbps solidly until finishing after about 15minutes warmup.
    and thats part of the point, if we get a load of people seeding, and leeching the bit torrent files it'll create a nice load of bandwidth.
  • LaCHiELaCHiE Join Date: 2003-02-22 Member: 13849Members, Constellation
    <!--QuoteBegin--SNiperMarine+Jul 12 2003, 02:10 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (SNiperMarine @ Jul 12 2003, 02:10 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> where exactily is fileplanet located? what planet? <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    some **** hole ^^
  • noelephantnoelephant Join Date: 2003-02-13 Member: 13518Members
    edited July 2003
    I just downloaded my first bit torrent file after reading about it here.

    I managed to download the Red Hat Linux ISO's in about 6 hours or so. (1.2GB or so)

    While the speed wasn't blazingly fast it was reliable.


    *Edit: Wow! My first sentence made absolutely no sense.*
  • AaronAaron vroom vroom der party startah Join Date: 2002-11-05 Member: 7020Members
    <!--QuoteBegin--CForrester+Jul 12 2003, 05:07 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (CForrester @ Jul 12 2003, 05:07 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->BitTorrent SUCKS. To be QUITE honest. Unless there are 20 other people sharing the file that have super-fast connections, the downloads are <b>S L O W</b>. In fact, they're slow all the time. I've never had a BitTorrent file go above 20 KBPS. <b>S L O W</b>. I'd rather wait in line for an hour and spend 10 minutes downloading NS, than wait 4 days using BitTorrent.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    20 other people on broadband downloading NS? NO! THAT'S CRAZY! THAT WILL NEVER HAPPEN OMIGOD!
  • fewfew Join Date: 2003-04-02 Member: 15128Members
    <!--QuoteBegin--Aaron+Jul 12 2003, 08:41 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Aaron @ Jul 12 2003, 08:41 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin--CForrester+Jul 12 2003, 05:07 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (CForrester @ Jul 12 2003, 05:07 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->BitTorrent SUCKS. To be QUITE honest. Unless there are 20 other people sharing the file that have super-fast connections, the downloads are <b>S L O W</b>. In fact, they're slow all the time. I've never had a BitTorrent file go above 20 KBPS. <b>S L O W</b>. I'd rather wait in line for an hour and spend 10 minutes downloading NS, than wait 4 days using BitTorrent.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    20 other people on broadband downloading NS? NO! THAT'S CRAZY! THAT WILL NEVER HAPPEN OMIGOD! <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    hehehe hmm..i can think of 20 people <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif'><!--endemo--> can u think of 300,000? <!--emo&:angry:--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/mad.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='mad.gif'><!--endemo--> <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif'><!--endemo-->
  • ForlornForlorn Join Date: 2002-11-01 Member: 2634Banned
    <!--QuoteBegin--few+Jul 12 2003, 07:44 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (few @ Jul 12 2003, 07:44 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin--Aaron+Jul 12 2003, 08:41 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Aaron @ Jul 12 2003, 08:41 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin--CForrester+Jul 12 2003, 05:07 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (CForrester @ Jul 12 2003, 05:07 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->BitTorrent SUCKS. To be QUITE honest. Unless there are 20 other people sharing the file that have super-fast connections, the downloads are <b>S L O W</b>. In fact, they're slow all the time. I've never had a BitTorrent file go above 20 KBPS. <b>S L O W</b>. I'd rather wait in line for an hour and spend 10 minutes downloading NS, than wait 4 days using BitTorrent.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    20 other people on broadband downloading NS? NO! THAT'S CRAZY! THAT WILL NEVER HAPPEN OMIGOD! <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    hehehe hmm..i can think of 20 people <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif'><!--endemo--> can u think of 300,000? <!--emo&:angry:--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/mad.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='mad.gif'><!--endemo--> <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif'><!--endemo--> <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    NS 1.0 has been downloaded over 1 million times... no reason to expect 2.0 to have less.
  • CildanCildan Join Date: 2003-03-31 Member: 15081Members
    As Mont-E said, 70 mirrors, I'm getting an extra 200 GB in bandwidth for my site for NS alone. <!--emo&:0--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/wow.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wow.gif'><!--endemo-->
  • taboofirestaboofires Join Date: 2002-11-24 Member: 9853Members
    <!--QuoteBegin--CForrester+Jul 12 2003, 04:07 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (CForrester @ Jul 12 2003, 04:07 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->BitTorrent SUCKS. To be QUITE honest. Unless there are 20 other people sharing the file that have super-fast connections, the downloads are <b>S L O W</b>. In fact, they're slow all the time. I've never had a BitTorrent file go above 20 KBPS. <b>S L O W</b>. I'd rather wait in line for an hour and spend 10 minutes downloading NS, than wait 4 days using BitTorrent.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    As many people downloading NS 2.0 as they want via bittorrent for free (even at only 20kbps) vs just a few getting it from mirrors while the rest stare at error messages because the servers are busy... Bittorrent usually wins

    With 70 mirrors, however, there should be no problem. I don't think I've ever seen 70 mirrors before for <i>anything</i>.

    When this isn't the case, bittorrent really shines. Efficient use of bandwidth (and $) with great scalability is nice. I think the bottleneck for BT used to be around 10k users at once, and they moved it back to well over a million.
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