Those Damn Feminists
Quaunaut
The longest seven days in history... Join Date: 2003-03-21 Member: 14759Members, Constellation, Reinforced - Shadow
The longest seven days in history... Join Date: 2003-03-21 Member: 14759Members, Constellation, Reinforced - Shadow
in Off-Topic
<div class="IPBDescription">Women are better than men, but...</div> Ok, I'd like to start saying that I am in fact a male, I think women are just plain better than men, don't care what you think about that, but feminists are starting to be REALLY stupid. A lot like lawyers.
5-10 Years ago: "We should have women in videogames! Why aren't they there?! Women can take a man! Blah blah blah!"
Now: "Games depicting women fighting men encourage violence against women and domestic violence"
Is it me, or is that such BS?
5-10 Years ago: "We should have women in videogames! Why aren't they there?! Women can take a man! Blah blah blah!"
Now: "Games depicting women fighting men encourage violence against women and domestic violence"
Is it me, or is that such BS?
Comments
What are ya talking about? I think these feminists have all the right to complain...except for maybe now, because women have a lot of rights these days...But think about, they have to bear children, menstruate, worry about birth control, wake up each morning and putting on makeup to look good just for men, and face the fact that for the last 10 thousand years they have been treated unequally by the supposed superior gender: men.
The worst thing that men have to face that I could think of is 1) getting kicked in the nuts 2) going to war and watching all your buds and comrades die.
so ya, it sucks
Care to elaborate on women being better than men? I'd like to know why I should feel inferior. Certainly women are better than men at giving birth, while men generally are stronger. Women are also better at attracting men, but men are better at attracting women, aren't they? I'm confused.
Anyway, no one <b>makes</b> women get up and put make up on. I personaly don't like Make up, i think if a woman <b>needs</b> make up to look better, there's sommat wrong with them. Sure, make up to go to a posh restaraunt (i can't spell today...), but women who wear make up constantly just make me feel that they're hiding something.
and yeah, it is total bs. I mean, it's not like i've grown any more violent towards women since shooting them assasins in HL, the same as i haven't gone round maiming soldiers or shooting scientists. I did once try thinking "sv_cheats 1" then "god". Then i hit myself in the face to see if it hurt, and it did, so it doesn't work. I tried it with "impulse 101" too. I think i was drunk, can't remember that well <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif'><!--endemo-->
Without getting too inflamatory, feminists aren't seeking equal treatment, they're seeking preferential treatment. In America at least, many on the left seek to unite women, minorities and homosexuals in a great struggle against the ultimate evil, the white heterosexual male. Part of the movement is in obtaining a license to 'overkill' as Bernie Goldberg describes in his (amazing :-) ) book, Bias.
Its a simple process:
1. Claim oppression (usually legitimate)
2. Seek government services or cultural change to boost equality. (Again, legitimate)
3. Push for preferential treatment to make up for past oppression. (Not good).
If you look at modern history, most minority groups (again, I'm talking about America) have followed this cycle. First, we dealt with racism and segregation. Then the women's movement. Now we face a homosexual movement. Minorities and women have demonstrated the pattern. I'm guessing the New Oppressed will continue the trend.
But on the issues of feminism, this is all I will say:
Radical Feminists suck. Their mistake is assuming that a life outside the home is superior to life inside the home.
On the issue of gender:
Genders are different but equal. Men are superior in many physiological respects, but I beleive women to be superior in mental facilities and emotional facilities.
I'm also hoping this topic isn't nuked, since it IS pretty much discussion.
Exactly.
It comes down to economics. Most times a femisnist will say "omg for every dollar a man makes a women makes 83 cents." This is bad statistics because first off on average more males get PhDs, they go into natural sciences such as physics and engineering. Women more often take social sciences which are lower paying because thier in less demand. Also men more often when they do go into social sciences take economics instead of just regulare social sciences. So if you take the education together there is yet another hurtle. Women give birth, if a woman decides to have a child that 1-2 years out of the work force. Not to mention catching up with what has changed in the industry. Then there is experience all together.
Now why is it like this? I think socially men feel they have to still be the bread winners while women do not on average. Therefore men are more likely to get engineering and buisness degrees then women.
Just going to elaborate on a timeline..
1.women are property
2.women gain equal rights
3.women earn equal job wage
4.women become independant
5.women claim they're better than men
6.women claim men are useless
7.women freeze our sperm and kill all of us off giving birth to a new generation of men whom they dominate and keep from ever disobeying or dissapointing them
8.Men rebel and regain power
9.Repeat timeline 1-9
<--1-----2-----3-----4-----5-----6-----7-----8-----9-->
Just going to elaborate on a timeline..
1.women are property
2.women gain equal rights
3.women earn equal job wage
4.women become independant
5.women claim they're better than men
6.women claim men are useless
7.women freeze our sperm and kill all of us off giving birth to a new generation of men whom they dominate and keep from ever disobeying or dissapointing them
8.Men rebel and regain power
9.Repeat timeline 1-9
<--1-----2-----3-----4-----5-----6-----7-----8-----9--> <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
T5 Rise of the Chicks?
/me gets funding from 10 different movie studios
Any radicals have a long history of being known for being stupid.
One Word: Samus. If you've played anything of the metroid series games (esp Metroid Prime) you'd know that Samus = female. She aint sittin' in no castle... she's kickin' a** and lots of it! <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif'><!--endemo-->
<!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Now: "Games depicting women fighting men encourage violence against women and domestic violence"<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
*sound of wind in Maveric's head while he sits there thinking "WT*?"*
<span style='color:white'>No. Damn. Pics.</span>
I've got nothing against women or equal rights, but they're doing the same thing to men as men did to them. Two wrongs don't make a right, it's time that we level the playing field instead of trying to elevate one end.
Don't worry, I don't think anyone has any intention of offending you or anyone else. I hope. <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif'><!--endemo-->
Or as said from Boondock Saints....THE RULE OF THE WRIST! <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif'><!--endemo--> I wub boondock saints <3.
I think the game industry hasn't done as good a job as it should with how women are represented. Let's look at some of the genres with more well-known female characters:
Fighting games: Some are better than others. For every fighting game that's balanced enough to have both male and female characters equally likely to win, you've got another that has a separate physics engine for the female torso alone. As for "depicting violence against females," well, it's a fighting game. You know what you're getting -- no need for an engaging plot, just a good sidescrolling or small-flat-3d map, a couple kick and punch keys, and some combos. [edit]And don't think that it's going to stop with the porting of Dead or Alive's female characters into a volleyball game. The industry definitely hit a new low with the recent Bikini Karate Babes.[/edit]
First/third person games: Tomb Raider 1 is recognized as one of the first chances the game industry had to improve how women are represented. Lara Croft could have been a female relative of Indiana Jones; independent, athletic, acrobatic, an adventurer, etc. In addition, the game wasn't your average first/third person game; you weren't shooting other people [read: male soldiers or demons and zombies] with guns. It went downhill when Eidos decided to cash in on Lara's looks.
Some games only get some of it right. Mysteries of the Sith, the expansion pack to Jedi Knight 1, featured Mara Jade. Female Jedi, also an independent, intelligent, lightsaber-wielding butt-kicker. But she wasn't feminine enough; the graphics engine didn't do justice to characters, so the 3d model animations were a direct port of the male ones from Jedi Knight 1. Even worse, JK1's FMVs weren't done for the expansion pack; all cutscenes were in-engine, and the voice acting was the only major indicator that you were playing a female character.
Other games finally get it right. The No One Lives Forever series has successfully used a good-looking female character with a lot of the qualities of James Bond at his finest <span style='font-size:8pt;line-height:100%'>*cough* Sean Connery was best 007 actor *cough*</span>. Deus Ex 2 should have a good use of a female lead as well (heck, it was originally planned for DX1)
Any other genres with well-known female characters I'm forgetting?
- And yeah, both those games have lead females as your character; and I haven't seen any complaints as to how they've been portrayed; only praise.
Heck no, we're not gonna say anything to make you mad. You think we're gonna risk running off one of the only girls on this board? <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif'><!--endemo-->
The femiminist should be mad at the Mario series, I mean at one point they were because look at Mario 2, you can play Peach and she doesn't get kidnapped! If femiminist are mad at anyone it's the people at Nintendo are depicting a weak blonde princess who has no knowledge of hair care products.
<!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
Great! You just spoiled the demo for me!
<i>*sigh*</i>
The game's target audience is clearly men. More specificly, teenage boys. Let me put it this way; what is Lara Croft's most noticable feature? It certainly isn't above the neck area.
The fact is, while men remain the largest target audience for games, game producers are going to continue to relase games featuring large-chested women (thank god <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif'><!--endemo--> oops, I just made myself unpopular) i.e, Lara Croft, Elexis Sinclare (who was actually a bad-guy), Tifa from FF7, Lulu from FF10, and the list goes on.
Yes, most of the "Old skool" games were kind of sexist, i.e, saving Princess Peach/Daisy/Mushroom in the Mario games. Or, lest we forget, Zelda, who only got one line in the entire of the original game (so i hear, i never played it), and that was "Eek". Samus was probably the first to break that mould (although I have to admit I've never played any of the metroid games either).
Moving away from games, and getting back to the issue of which is better, it is clearly men. (kidding, please don't castrate me)
A debate which I found on another message board (the Darwin awards message board to be exact) was discussing why men are more likely to die in stupid ways than men. It concluded that men show more variation than women. For example, there are far more male geniuses than female ones. Equally, the rate of mental disease in men is higher. Basically, us guys are god's playthings for him to mess about with as he wills. Sometimes the result is a success (William Shakespere, Albert Einstien e.t.c e.t.c) other times, we get the sort of person found on <a href='http://www.darwinawards.com' target='_blank'>this</a> page.
I am tired of typing now and must go and play NS.
Example:
<b>Some Bi#@H</b> Complains about how men can bare their naked chests in public and women can't.. she yells SEXEST and Boom other Power hungry women demand that they be allowed to go topless in public also. Do you see Men complaining.. NO, go for it we are saying.
They WIN and they are allowed to go topless, but after a week of freedom from shirts, what do they do... They realise that the only reason to wear a **** is to keep men from looking at your naked brests and they all cover back up. SO WTH was the Point of Causing all that **** when you don't even want to take off your shirt in the end?
Example: Woman want to be in the military, don't get me wrong, good for them, about time they stopped sitting at home and went out and got killed instead of us for once! But then you read about how some Women in the military didn't want to go to Afganistan because they were afrade to die. WELL WAKE THE **** UP, you joined the millitary, these guys don't go around making wicker baskets and nitting all day, they kill people for a living! The only reason these **** joined is because they wanted to express there Feminimity, but now that they might die, all that crying seems to be to get out instead of get in.
Example: Femaile Cops, Have you ever seen a bigger bunch of MAN-Haters ever? These women want to be cops because they feel they have equal rights (and they do). They joined the acadimy and couldn't do the levels the males had to do, so what happened, they bitched and cryed till the standards were dropped to the point that you have 5 foot 2 inch women becomming cops. I'm sorry but Size matters when you are trying to take down a 6'8 drug adict. So now that they are placed in a cop car and let out in the mean streets, they **** about how they shouldn't be placed in such situations! THEN QUIT THE FORCE YOU STUPID ****!
Example: Female Construction workers, Good for you, you want to get your hands dirty and you have skills enough to build stuff also! Now the foreman tells you to take these 15 bags of Concreet up the the 3rd floor via that ladder, "But its too heavy" they whine.... WTH did you think you would be lifting, a dust buster and sweaping the work site. TAKE THAT freaking CONCREET AND GET UP THAT freaking LADDER!
If you can't keep up, Shut Up! Some thing are better set for men to do, somethings are better set for women to do.
I am in no way a sexest, I think everyone has a fair chance, its the women who **** and cry to get there way or fight for Womens rights but can't contribute to the cause once its won, that I have a problem with!
You want to make a big sceen, then Live with the results of all your hard work. I know the Majority of women don't complain and can do even better than some men, but its the few that are like the ones in my example that serve no use in this world!
^_^
edit: But I really can't resist so I am just as bad <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif'><!--endemo-->
I have no problem with equal rights (who really would) but even the word feminism sounds really offensive. think of some other words that end in -ISM and you will know what I am referring to. Almost a bit like PETA. Sounded good at the beginning but now really irk me.