Strategy Change For Marines In 2.0

Satanic_Monkey · July 2003

How do you think strategy will change in 2.0 for marines?

FlatlineUTD · July 2003

With the electric TFac I wouldn't be surprised seeing the original 1.0 - 1.02 strategies.

Set up bases at res nodes and dominate the resources. Lots of forward siege bases and more HA, like it used to be when games were fun.

rennex · July 2003

By the time you finished fortifying your third node with 4 turrents, you'll watch an umbra cloud appear around your little fort, skulks leaping in and munching on the hapless marines, and all your structures vanish as bilebombs do their work. GG.

FlatlineUTD · July 2003

</span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Rennex @ Jul 24 2003, 02:42 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> By the time you finished fortifying your third node with 4 turrents, you'll watch an umbra cloud appear around your little fort, skulks leaping in and munching on the hapless marines, and all your structures vanish as bilebombs do their work. GG.  </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> 
Good. I hated that strategy back when it was popular. I never thought it was much better than the HMG/JP tech rush.

Gargamel · July 2003

How about the ONOSes? How s your strategy to kill those beasts? JP?
Are Onos and Fade now easier to kill than in 1.04?
I found a damage-simulator thingie for 2.0 and seemed to me they arent that much overpowered anymore.
Tell us more you Vets/PTs! More more!!! <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'>

FlatlineUTD · July 2003

</span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Gargamel @ Jul 24 2003, 04:59 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> How about the ONOSes? How s your strategy to kill those beasts? JP?
Are Onos and Fade now easier to kill than in 1.04?
I found a damage-simulator thingie for 2.0 and seemed to me they arent that much overpowered anymore.
Tell us more you Vets/PTs! More more!!! <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'>  </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> 
Fades have never been *that* tough to kill. You've just gotta charge em and not let em stay back to acid rocket you.

Onoses, you've gotta keep your distance a bit and just pummel em. JPs work unless you're against a good Onos player that can use Paralysis properly. I don't know if Paralysis made it into 2.0 or not.

MrPink · July 2003

Paralysis didn't, IIRC onos weapons go bite, devour, charge, stomp.

rennex · July 2003

</span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Scarface121 @ Jul 24 2003, 06:41 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> Paralysis didn't, IIRC onos weapons go bite, devour, charge, stomp.  </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> 
You mean bite, devour, stomp, and charge <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/wink.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink.gif'>

im_lost · July 2003

What does IIRC mean?

ALC · July 2003

if i remember correctly

matso · July 2003

</span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (i'm lost @ Jul 25 2003, 01:42 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> What does IIRC mean?  </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> 
IIRC -> If I Recall Correctly

Mastodon · July 2003

I ain't fraid of no onos.

Roger_Dodger · July 2003

</span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Rennex @ Jul 25 2003, 12:50 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> </span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Scarface121 @ Jul 24 2003, 06:41 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> Paralysis didn't, IIRC onos weapons go bite, devour, charge, stomp. </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'>
You mean bite, devour, stomp, and charge <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/wink.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink.gif'>  </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> 
dont mean to nit pick but isnt bite changed to gore?? <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif'>

Apparently onos is slower than rines so therefore perhaps u can run away and shoot them from a distance.

And now fades will die after a single lmg clip which sounds a bit overpowered to me but maybe i missin sumthin. I just luv how fades wont be acid spam with acid moved to third hive, it will encourage melee fun.

But i must say shotties sound damn tempting from wat ive read.

- RD

Gargamel · July 2003

Yes, it seems to me that in v2.0 fades and Onos not so powerful anymore.
Here some stats using <a href='http://nonoobs.com/damage.php' target='_blank'>Damage Simulator NS v2.0</a>

[Lifeform to be killed]
o Weapon/Attack
Upgrade Levels
Bullets/Hits to kill it on each respective Lvl

[Skulk]
Lmg 0 / Cara 0-1-2-3
11-13-15-17
Cara 3 / Lmg 0-1-2-3
17-15-14-13

[Marine]
o Skulk Bite
LA 2-3-3-4 HA 7-8-9-10
o Gorge Spit
LA 5-6-7-9
o Lerk Spike / Spore
LA 9-11-13-16 / 24-28-34-42
o Fade Swipe / Acid Rocket
LA 2-3-3-4 / 3-4-4-5 HA 7-7-8-9 / 10-12-13-14
o Onos Claw
LA 2-2-3-3 HA 6-7-7-8

[3Cara Fade]
LMG 55-50-45-43
HMG 31-28-26-24

[3Cara Onos]
LMG 100-91-83-77
HMG 56-51-46-43

That site also got a very nice Comm Guide for 2.0
<a href='http://nonoobs.com/public/Draco/CommGuide/index.html' target='_blank'>v2.0 Guide</a>

Good stuff, great job to those Vets who made this <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'> Hurray!

Spazmatic · July 2003

Early on, I imagine that simply hopping eletric RTs across the map will be surprisingly effective. After all, players are slow to pick up changes, so I doubt we'll find half the alien team going gorge, or the skulks getting support before tackling electrified RTs... And without quite a few gorgies, res flow will likely be very slow for the aliens (especially if the marines upgrade a bit), preventing large numbers of higher evolves from wiping out the RTs.

Of course, this will only work for a few days, tops. On decent servers, anyways.

Freddeh · July 2003

</span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Rennex @ Jul 24 2003, 02:42 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> By the time you finished fortifying your third node with 4 turrents, you'll watch an umbra cloud appear around your little fort, skulks leaping in and munching on the hapless marines, and all your structures vanish as bilebombs do their work. GG.  </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> 
OMG he said 'TURRENTS'!!!!!

Electric rts...mmmmmmmmmmm burning skulks <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/skulk.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='skulk.gif'> <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/skulk.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='skulk.gif'> <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/skulk.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='skulk.gif'>

Spazmatic · July 2003

</span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>mmmmmmmmmmm burning skulks </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'>

Argh, we should've asked Flayra for a barbecue! *grumbles* Another opportunity lost.

Skurge · July 2003

Uhm, I just noticed. In 2.0 spores won't affect HA. So therefor, no matter how much you spore them, they won't die. That damage chart thing

</span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>o Lerk Spike / Spore
LA 9-11-13-16 / 24-28-34-42</td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'>

Isn't quite on target for the HA part. Sorry, I guess it doesn't really matter, just thought I'd inlcuden it.

Niteowl · July 2003

</span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Spazmatic @ Jul 27 2003, 11:16 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> Early on, I imagine that simply hopping eletric RTs across the map will be surprisingly effective.
 </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> 
i can imagine this being effective for quite a while, esp with small games.

Spazmatic · July 2003

</span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>i can imagine this being effective for quite a while, esp with small games. </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'>

I was actually thinking the opposite, as with small games it's a quick run to either second hive or fades, and then the res nodes are no longer secure.

However, no matter what, I bet, if you jump in the comm first day and are half decent, res hopping will win you your first game of 2.0 (assuming you're not playing a bunch of vets, of course).

Strategy Change For Marines In 2.0

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