2.0 Not As Big As We Thought...

H_U_D_S_O_N · July 2003

<div class="IPBDescription">?</div> Are there any model changes in 2.0 besides the GL and the Skulk model (running on walls adaption).

I know there LMG was made smaller cause the flash and model was too big. And it seems the HMG is at a slightly different angle.

I think 2.0 was more of bug fixes and a few gameplay enhancements. I was expecting more different models, guns, researches.

The lowering the cost of weapons and upgrades could of easily been done in a small 1.06 patch.

I wanted a bigger release, think about it. It took the NS team 5 months to come up with 2.0. All the features are good and all but there could of been more.

I also know that the dev. team has to deal with home issues and work issues and at the same time make a mod. If thats a problem, maybe they should'nt be making such a large commiment?

NS is an awsome mod, the best 1.0 I have ever seen. But 2.0 should of doubled the fun and action. 2.0 seems like a 1.1 to me.

2.0 should of contained new models for buildings (both aliens and marines)
New models for the Marines and Aliens.
Also more animations (besides the skulk and GL reload)

I have no doubt 2.0 is a great release adding on to a great game. 5 months is way to long to come up with so little improvements.

This is all my opinion.

I know I will get flame for this, but I dont care.

DXO · July 2003

i personally dont see why all the models should be changed when they were working perfectly fine as is <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'> and the gameplay changes are alot more then a simple 1.1 in my honest opinion

Lazer · July 2003

Wow gg paying attention. Most things have been tweaked and changed. There are things like smaller alien chambers, new crosshairs, reworked minimaps and many other things like that. It isn't just "a couple of changes"

LambdaProject · July 2003

/me hand's HUDSON a specially crafted flame retardant suit.

Good on ya buddy!

(I don't agree with anything at all you just said right there)

H_U_D_S_O_N · July 2003

ya but crosshairs, smaller models, sprites. Can be easily done at most in a month!

I can even do those things. Those are'nt that big.

DXO · July 2003

let me make it simple and nice dont trash whats been done until you have the chance to try it and see what all has been done

k thnx <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'>

Stoneburg · July 2003

Obviously this thread is not serious.

It would take AT LEAST a year to change the crosshairs.

esuna · July 2003

</span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (H.U.D.S.O.N @ Jul 30 2003, 10:05 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> ya but crosshairs, smaller models, sprites. Can be easily done at most in a month!

I can even do those things. Those are'nt that big.  </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> 
I'd just like to say well done for being the least grateful member of the boards.

"Only 5 months" Geez, Flayra's spent 3 years working full time on this for NO pay and you're whining that he, and the rest of the team, aren't giving you enough.

Christ dude, be grateful they're spending their free time working hard for nothing but our gain.

DXO · July 2003

well said esuna *bows down to the well spoken words*

LambdaProject · July 2003

Ok look, the comm system was like massively overhauled along with the marine minimap/macromap. There are squads now, and all this new stuff (I'd rather not write all of it down) that you can't just change in one month and be like "Oh wow look I guess the game is balanced now" most of the time spent on making 2.0 was about <b>game balance</b> not redoing every singe model out there. There was a LOT of hard work put into make 2.0. I'm glad you're so appreciative.

(Also, a little off topic but: For the final 2.0, did they leave in or take out hive requirments? I can't remember.)

SoBe_Dragon · July 2003

i hope you're wearing that flame suit that what's-his-name made for you...

Dude, this version of NS has been worked on for months now. There have been like 30 builds, and about a billion changes made to the game. This is not just some "little patch" its a completely and fundamentally reworked version of natural selection. Sorry, but models dont make a game. If you're looking for enhanced models in patches, then go play counter-strike. The dev team should be commended for tweaking NS the way that they did. Not reatarded posts like "not as big as we thought because they didnt change weapon models" lol

I've been watching the builds since 1.1a and watched all of the changes that they implemented. I've been watching those change logs every day and checking out what ideas were scratched and which ones were kept. I've voted on everything flayra asked the community about. And here comes mr nub hudson "I want models and new animations, this is a small patch". Come on man, pay ATTENTION! There is a reason they renamed it to NS 2.0...ugh, people

H_U_D_S_O_N · July 2003

its not ONLY 5 months.

It took the team TOO long to create 2.0 in 5 months.

Im sorry but Im not a brown nose.

NS needs critisism for their future versions to be better.

If everyone would always say

"wow this mod rocks! No improvements needed"

Than the mod would never get better.

Optikal · July 2003

EVERY map was redone for 2.0, Chambers bring all new strats, everything has been changed in some way basically... NS 2.0 will be as huge as a fat kid after a meal...

and on a side note... you can download new models if you wish to

DXO · July 2003

tell ya what you go make a mod with as many features as NS and see how long it takes you.. until you do it yourself dont whine because there was alot of changes implemented, but not enough for you

LambdaProject · July 2003

Ok, you just changed your own topic... 2.0 isn't even out yet, how can we even begin critisize(sp) NS?

Optikal · July 2003

</span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (H.U.D.S.O.N @ Jul 30 2003, 10:12 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> its not ONLY 5 months.

It took the team TOO long to create 2.0 in 5 months.

Im sorry but Im not a brown nose.

NS needs critisism for their future versions to be better.

If everyone would always say

"wow this mod rocks! No improvements needed"

Than the mod would never get better. </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'>

I dont think anyoen criticized 1.04 BEFORE it was released... maybe you should criticize after you play it? Alright? k thanks

SoBe_Dragon · July 2003

again PAY ATTENTION. Have you ever even been to the tales from the frontlines forum? Read the posts by the playtesters and see the suggestions that they have made to make the game better. I am sure that you havent even read the change logs top to bottom. If you are looking to help the ns community, there is something called CONSTRUCTIVE critisism that should be given. Your not critisizing your WHINING about something that you dont need to be whining about. I've been waiting for this version of ns for months and I cant wait for it to be released tomorrow, so there

/rant off

back to work, **** =(

Necro · July 2003

</span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (H.U.D.S.O.N @ Jul 30 2003, 06:05 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> ya but crosshairs, smaller models, sprites. Can be easily done at most in a month!

I can even do those things. Those are'nt that big.  </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> 
ahahahahah!!

you obviously have NO idea how time consuming it is to make a mod. EACH model can easily take a month, as for maps you get five, the average time for a map to be built is a month. usually more.

FanorES · July 2003

well, if u think it, try to create, playtest, debug, paying attention to that every team have the same chance of victory that the other....all of this while you are testing and playing the game yourself, coordinating the mappers, the devs, the playtesters, the veterans, paying attention to all the NS forums, searching tips, bugs, suggestions, opinions, and thinking about all of this in order to include this thing or not in the next build, how it'll affect to gameplay, etc......

[sarcastic mode] BUT NOOOOOOOOOOOOOO, it doesn't justify 5 months since the first release of NS, NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO [/sm]

p.d: faggot

Optikal · July 2003

Lay it to him necro!

Frikk · July 2003

You concentrate on the visuals (of which the improvements are many). The majority, for me at least, of the 2.0 improvments are gameplay issues. Gameplay issues take time. Plus, he fixed a TON of bugs from 1.0x. You don't have to be a brown nose to give the man credit where credit is due. Wait for 2.0 to come out before you say things like this.

Roger_Dodger · July 2003

Hmmm u know what happens when u put alot of thought, alot of effort and alot of time into something. It usually comes out good. And i mean real good.

Dude have u ever made a mod like NS??
Do u know how much effort was put in for a service u receive for free??
Do u even bother to read all the effort that was put in via the beta forums??
Have u even seen an up to date changelog?? And i not talking about the crappy one on the front home page.
Get some sort of reasoning or credibility and perhaps u mite get a better response.

- RD

Thank u, come again.

Lazer · July 2003

How about you go criticize cs? They spend like a year to add a patch that does just about nothing. Remember 1.4 to 1.5?

Mkk_Bitestuff · July 2003

Even thou i dont agree with any of the first things he said, i admit he has a point saying that with no critism, the mod will not improve as much, but saying that 2.0 is not a big change, just look at the changelog buddy, and think how long it took just to make that.

Draugluin · July 2003

</span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (H.U.D.S.O.N @ Jul 30 2003, 11:05 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> ya but crosshairs, smaller models, sprites. Can be easily done at most in a month!

I can even do those things. Those are'nt that big.  </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> 
Honestly. Go do it then.

esuna · July 2003

</span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (H.U.D.S.O.N @ Jul 30 2003, 10:12 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> its not ONLY 5 months.

It took the team TOO long to create 2.0 in 5 months.

Im sorry but Im not a brown nose.

NS needs critisism for their future versions to be better.

If everyone would always say

"wow this mod rocks! No improvements needed"

Than the mod would never get better.  </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> 
Seriously, you need that flame suit.

We're not brown nosing, we just realise the massive amounts of hard work and effort put into the game that you, quite obviously, have missed.

The maps, among other things, should be at least 6 months worth of hard work, and there's been 4 new ones implemented. 5 months too long my arse dude.

NS does indeed need criticism, but you're not criticising the game, you're criticising the developers being lazy. And i'm positive that each and every one of them will assure you they're not.

Bug reports and feedback (both positive and negative) has been given since 1.0's release by the entire community and still continues to this very day. Try reading back a bit, you know nothing.

CaLFiN · July 2003

</span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (H.U.D.S.O.N @ Jul 30 2003, 10:12 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> its not ONLY 5 months.

It took the team TOO long to create 2.0 in 5 months.

Im sorry but Im not a brown nose.

NS needs critisism for their future versions to be better.

If everyone would always say

"wow this mod rocks! No improvements needed"

Than the mod would never get better.  </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> 
Please point me to something constructive you said...

You haven't even played 2.0, you also probably have no idea how much testing and balancing this game needs. Also, bare in mind that maps, models, programming, bug fixing and a lot kore do not just appear over night.

Actually... I can't even be bothered to argue... You are simply ungrateful... Go find a free mod better than NS and play that instead?

Fieari · July 2003

If I'm not mistaken, there are new animations for the gorge and onos (I think I read that in one of the changelogs at one point)... so there's some more graphical changes for you.

But 2.0 is not a graphics patch. It was never intended to be a graphics patch. You want different graphics? Visit the modeling forum. The rest of us will be happy with a better balanced game. We'll leave you to sulk in the corner, whining for eye candy from your mommy and daddy.

esuna · July 2003

Anyway, guys, don't feed the troll, let's leave it here.

DXO · July 2003

also keep in mind the changelog doesnt even show all of the stuff we tested during these 5 months, some of it was tested then removed after a build or two, or tweaked to make it that much more enjoyable for people like you Hudson -.-

Optikal · July 2003

Nah no new models for the gorgies or any other chars. New models for spore and umbra projectiles! Yay!! H.U.D.S.O.N. on a final note tho... go find a NS 2.0 Changelog and read it... it is atleast a 'forum' page or 2.

2.0 Not As Big As We Thought...

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