Devor, It's Just Plain Annoying...

Teioh · August 2003

It's the second day that ns has been out and I just saw someone get kicked for using devour. He was kicked because he was using the redemption/devour trick which pretty much gave him the ability to kill ha/hmg in 1 shot while being able to get away 90% of the time. That is mostly why he was kicked but he was also kicked because devour is <b>really annoying</b>. I wish there was a way to give him the kill and and go into spectator mode for the duration that I would have been in his stomach, since being in that red blob of mess gets really old after about the 30th time. A lot of people are now f4ing then joining the rine team right after when ever they get stomped...

Dick_Blender · August 2003

this is not the first thread about this.

r4m3n_n00dles · August 2003

You can delete the digesting.spr file in the \ns\sprites\ folder, then you can see out of the onos, you don't see any models, but you can see where you are.

Teioh · August 2003

that'll make it much easier, just gives me something to look at.

xioutlawix · August 2003

Thought you couldn't f4 when you're being devoured...

Liger · August 2003

it is kinda annoying to be on the receiving end... but quiting and rejoining simply because you got hit with part one of the combo is just silly...

I haven't been on that end yet, but given I've yet to see a 'rine rescued from the belly of the beast, I'm for an early spectating mode... cause it can take a good while for the rine to die from it sometimes.

And he'd still be out of it, he'd just be getting his respawn show earlier...

Ploem · August 2003

I got rescued from an Onos stomach. I tell ya, it feels great <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'>. I also like the way you are not spectating and just seeing Onons intestines. It adds atmosphere.. a thing NS excels at.

Teioh · August 2003

xiout, if they get stomped, they f4 cause they know the onos is coming for them.

Liger · August 2003

</span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Ploem @ Aug 1 2003, 06:22 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> I got rescued from an Onos stomach. I tell ya, it feels great <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'>. I also like the way you are not spectating and just seeing Onons intestines. It adds atmosphere.. a thing NS excels at.  </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> 
yeah, atmosphere is good, and when ya get tired of it, teh meal that's cheaper than food told a way to at least see where ya are...

so... no need to change.

Dick_Blender · August 2003

aah just have a nice beer while you're being digested.. <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'>

and f4-ing when you're "stomped" - thats just childish. if anyone did that on our server I would kick them to kingdom come.

CaseK · August 2003

Devour a marine and stand next to a medarmory. <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'>

Havent tried that one yet, but Im sure someone will try now...

justbob · August 2003

i've seen numerous marines saved from the belly of the beast. usually its all when an onos thinks he can walk up to a group of 4 or more ha/hmgs eat one and run away, doesn't work out onos is much weaker then 1.04 and shottys truly put the hurt on as well.ha/shotty is actually worth it at times. tho jp/shotty is prob better haven't had the chance to try it yet. ramboing with the new sensorys = free lunch, with onos actually craping you out <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif'> go in groups and comms, scan the rooms before sending in your ha squad.

shottys, not just for the fun factor anymore.

Emsee · August 2003

Maybe a fixed 1st person spec view from the onos that devoured you. But with a special V_model that makes it look like you're looking out of the onos from the stomach, so you can see some of whats going on from the onos's point of view but slightly limited due to the throat and teeth getting in the way.

briDge · August 2003

banning and F4ing because of devour is ridiculous and lame. There are imbalances with it and redemption, but they are just imbalances. Dont **** and moan and furthermore dont ruin the game because you can't handle it.

r4m3n_n00dles · August 2003

Saving a marine from a redeeming onos is literally impossible with 3 HMGs firing with medium accuracy, the HMGs trigger redemption too easily I find. 3 shotgunners have better success, as they knock off 150 or so HP per well-placed shot, and the redemption is less reliable when large portions of health are lost instead of smaller chunks really fast.

SjN · August 2003

<span style='color:green'>*Spored.* (though that IS what it sounds like, be nice.)</span>

eggmac · August 2003

The greater problem is just that aliens have a hard time to finish the game on pubs, often. People need to learn how to use all the alien abilities effectively, and probably some changes are needed as well. A redemption onos doesnt win a game for aliens. On the other hand, if marines are advancing, the redemption onos is not a problem at all (half an HMG clip and he's gone) and marines can just rush the hive.

BedwettingType · August 2003

Devour? Annoying? Heh, I've been in games where marines were saying, "Eat me! Eat me!" I actually find it kind of humorous.

Also, devouring isn't a sure thing. There's been times where I've stomped a heavy, hit devour 3 times on him, and the marine ended up killing me. When you devour, you risk not doing any damage.

Denial · August 2003

I agree to Emsee. Being devoured should give you the viewpoint of the onos, but with a large portion of it covered by stomach insides and teeth. This would give devour less of a "loading screen" feel, and make it less controversial in general.

Fina · August 2003

How about it looks out the OTHER side? <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif'>

BedwettingType · August 2003

LOL Fina.

What would be cool is if the sides of his stomach were <i>slightly</i> transparent, just enough for you to see where you are. Then you could look around with mouselook and see what's going on.

Fastwonder · August 2003

I want the ability to knife my way out...

elchinesetourist · August 2003

</span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Liger @ Aug 1 2003, 06:19 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> it is kinda annoying to be on the receiving end... but quiting and rejoining simply because you got hit with part one of the combo is just silly...

I haven't been on that end yet, but given I've yet to see a 'rine rescued from the belly of the beast, I'm for an early spectating mode... cause it can take a good while for the rine to die from it sometimes.

And he'd still be out of it, he'd just be getting his respawn show earlier...  </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> 
i have witnessed such rescues, however with redemption it will be difficult

RabidWeasel · August 2003

I've seen lots of rescues, in fact in 1 game more people were rescued than were digested <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif'>

The secret is to not rambo like an idiot! If you get eaten and you're in a reasonable sized group the onos get pwned and you can dance over his ugly corpse. Redem onos really isn't effective from a strategic POV (as eggmac said, they go away if you cough on them, so they can't attack or defend well), but it is annoying.

Reese · August 2003

maybe this would be solved by making a hive unable to redempt an onos who has devoured a marine. redempt+onos seems fine to me now, as they're aren't the game-ending monsters they were in 1.0x, but being able to **** 65 res worth of HA/HMG/welder and get away BECAUSE his buddies tried to save him is just plain ridiculous. Why does redemption work on the marine as well anyways? maybe when redemption hits he should fall out of the thin-air-that-was-an-onos and land in a big pile of mess.

Johnny_Blaque · August 2003

</span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Fastwonder @ Aug 2 2003, 01:11 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> I want the ability to knife my way out...  </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> 
Exactly!

WarpZone · August 2003

How about Devour kills the marine instantly and he can respawn, but the onos has to wait for the digestion to complete before he can eat another marine. This makes sense story-wise, because once you die, you're supposedly dead, and some other marine enters the fray through the IPs.

zerg_overmind · August 2003

</span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Reese @ Aug 1 2003, 08:40 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> maybe this would be solved by making a hive unable to redempt an onos who has devoured a marine. redempt+onos seems fine to me now, as they're aren't the game-ending monsters they were in 1.0x, but being able to **** 65 res worth of HA/HMG/welder and get away BECAUSE his buddies tried to save him is just plain ridiculous. Why does redemption work on the marine as well anyways? maybe when redemption hits he should fall out of the thin-air-that-was-an-onos and land in a big pile of mess.  </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> 
yup the best fix

Diablus · August 2003

actually i am very good at devour, so is MANY others, i do in fact rambo into 6 ha/hmgs eat one hop around to dodge most bullets so redempt can save me, by the time u hit around 200 hp u get redeemed, the only thing i risk is running solo into a tf farm with 6 ha/hmg and the /stuck factor plug ins not installed, last game i devoured more than 20 marines and 2 were rescued, one by a tf farm and the other was brought abck to the hive and awaited oc spammage becuase i died from lag <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/wink.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink.gif'> , devour is fun

Poofat · August 2003

I noticed that the little location indicator for marines (on teamsay) still functions in an onos, so if you get eaten you can just spam every few seconds to report its position

Kissamies · August 2003

I wouldn't mind devour if there was something to do or something to watch while being devoured. Got to see what happens when I delete that sprite. Losing the devoured marine if you get redeemed is probably the best fix for the devour+redemption combo.

Devor, It's Just Plain Annoying...

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