Is It Bad To Learn By Death?

INSInstrumentalityINSInstrumentality Join Date: 2003-08-03 Member: 18850Members
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I'm wondering, is it ineffective to just log onto a mid level high level server when you're a newbie, then get destroyed for a while... as opposed to just joining a newbie server....

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  • SoulSkorpionSoulSkorpion Join Date: 2002-04-12 Member: 423Members
    Well... I suggest you play with people at approximately your own skill level. There's no point in playing on a pro server if you're a newbie. Not in terms of how much you'll learn, but by the fact that nobody likes losing repeatedly with no chance of victory. You'll also annoy the expert players, who would rather play a high-level game of NS than answer newbie questions or have to rely on unskilled teammates.

    There's nothing wrong with being new, but avoid pro servers. It's easier for everyone involved.
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  • INSInstrumentalityINSInstrumentality Join Date: 2003-08-03 Member: 18850Members
    mmm, should i start with kharaa or marines...
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  • Ph0enixPh0enix Join Date: 2002-10-08 Member: 1462Members, Constellation
    The general advice is to go marine first, as they're obviously gonna be more intuitive to use as most FPSs are a guy-with-a-gun type.

    If you've played AVP1/2 or any other melee dominant games you'll probably do OK as Kharaa.

    Try both, it can't do any harm and if your finding one difficult avoid it for the moment until you can get used to NS in general and then re-visit when your more comfortable.

    If you do try Kharaa however it's essential you know how to evolve to higher lifeforms and get evolutions.

    Good luck, and welcome to NS <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'><!--endemo-->
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  • TonzakTonzak Join Date: 2002-11-25 Member: 9951Members
    If you are trying to learn as quickly as possible, I would say to focus as much effort as tolerable into being familiar on an introductary basis with every major location and relevent choke points and vents on every map. Once you have this down, you are ready to learn by following or observing the best players you can find.
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  • SoulSkorpionSoulSkorpion Join Date: 2002-04-12 Member: 423Members
    <!--QuoteBegin--[INS]Instrumentality+Aug 4 2003, 05:57 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> ([INS]Instrumentality @ Aug 4 2003, 05:57 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> mmm, should i start with kharaa or marines... <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    It doesn't really matter. Pick random team <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'><!--endemo-->.

    I suggest you do not go commander, though, until you get a feel for the game. It doesn't really matter what you evolve to as aliens, though. Follow the lead of more experienced players as kharaa, and follow your commander's instructions as marine. And please don't bother the commander for anything other than medpacks, he has a <i>lot</i> to concentrate on <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'><!--endemo-->
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  • RMB0RMB0 Join Date: 2003-02-08 Member: 13294Members
    imo, You should always play with people just a bit above your skill level, and you'll rise to them sooner it seems. ie: I started playing cs and I played in a pub server that had a LOT of cal-i players, and I learned very fast, May be just me though <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'><!--endemo-->
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  • noobynooby Join Date: 2003-04-21 Member: 15717Members
    R@MBO you have the right of it. If you play continually at your own level, and everyone else is learning it takes longer to get better. If I play with better players and follow/observe them, and try hard to learn/not get in the way I find I learn heaps faster, and gain strategies as well. The comm uses/looks after the vets, so if I follow them, the comm usually sees I'm trying to learn (I tell the comm/team I'm new when I join, and find that they usually use me as builder, repair, cannon fodder or whatever is needed, and are more tolerant) and gives me more leeway. One game the comm asked if I would go as lead to find the enemy, I was being directed by the team to find the enemy, this was fun, even though I was dying a lot, as the experienced players killed the enemy by using me to their advantage. The best bit was the THANKS they all gave me at the end of the game.
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  • ElvenThiefElvenThief aka Elven Thief (ex. NS Programmer) Join Date: 2002-11-15 Member: 8754Members, Retired Developer, NS1 Playtester, Constellation
    Yeah. I have to agree with Rambo. You get better by challenging yourself with better players.
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  • BirdyBirdy Join Date: 2003-05-29 Member: 16825Members, Constellation
    Whatever you do don't go commander or gorge ( alien lifeform ) at the start

    Follow your teammates and especially the commanders orders.
    Do what your teammates do.

    Read the manual would help alot.

    Most importantly have fun <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif'><!--endemo-->
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  • SpazmaticSpazmatic Join Date: 2003-05-10 Member: 16184Members
    Learn the basics at your level, with newbies or relaxed players. People less likely to get angry. Also learn to comm on such servers.

    However, after you get the basic feel, try to find people a bit better than you (often hard, though).
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  • Iced_EagleIced_Eagle Borg Engineer Join Date: 2003-03-02 Member: 14218Members
    Birdy you can go gorge now as there is no added/removed res for it.. so no harm done really, but they hopefully won't just randomly throw stuff up..

    I agree with everyone else.. I played with people at a higher skill level and know I pwn them <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'><!--endemo--> just be challenged....
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  • a_civiliana_civilian Likes seeing numbers Join Date: 2003-01-08 Member: 12041Members, NS1 Playtester, Playtest Lead
    <!--QuoteBegin--Birdy+Aug 5 2003, 12:06 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Birdy @ Aug 5 2003, 12:06 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Whatever you do don't go [...] gorge ( alien lifeform ) at the start <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    I believe that no longer applies.
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  • SoulSkorpionSoulSkorpion Join Date: 2002-04-12 Member: 423Members
    <!--QuoteBegin--a civilian+Aug 6 2003, 04:42 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (a civilian @ Aug 6 2003, 04:42 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin--Birdy+Aug 5 2003, 12:06 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Birdy @ Aug 5 2003, 12:06 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Whatever you do don't go [...] gorge ( alien lifeform ) at the start <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    I believe that no longer applies. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    It doesn't. Gorge to your heart's content. You might want to pay attention to what type of upgrade chamber your team want you to drop (ask if unsure). But don't command for a while.
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  • DeathdroneDeathdrone Join Date: 2003-08-05 Member: 18963Members
    Yeah, you only get better by losing a bit.
    Commanders only develop tactics when one fails on them.
    Join a server with only one Alien player, and ask them to take it easy on yer to learn the ropes of Comm'ing.
    You eventually learn what works best, what does what, and how much work most commanders really do.

    Aliens, just follow what the others seem to want, or what you think needs to be done.
    They need res, they need upgrades, they need hives, and they want the marines dead.
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  • BirdyBirdy Join Date: 2003-05-29 Member: 16825Members, Constellation
    Yeh gorges won't destroy the team anymore like in 1.04 but you can still build the "wrong" chamber

    I play alot with the gorge class now because it doesn't have so much pressure anymore <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'><!--endemo-->
    Commanding on the other hand is still too much for me <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif'><!--endemo-->
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