Talon Match .50 Ae
Burncycle
Join Date: 2002-11-24 Member: 9759Members, NS1 Playtester
Join Date: 2002-11-24 Member: 9759Members, NS1 Playtester
Intorducing the modern counterpart to the 20th century Desert Eagle, the Talon's hefty weight and 9 inch barrel gives it unprecidented accuracy, while the .50 AE still provides excellent knockdown power. Incorporating a revolutionary action eliminates the need for a slide like on most handguns, which allows for rails and a stable base to incorporate all sorts of optics. When the action moves to the rear, it uncovers barrel ports allowing for recoil compensation for less violent recovery time and quicker follow up shots compared to a standard .50 AE pistol. Tritium sights also allow for quicker sight alignment allowing you to concentrate on the target.
Garunteed to make your opponent wet his/her self.
(I had a talon brass eagle paintball gun. I was bored. I know it's fugly but I like it <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif'><!--endemo--> )
I didn't model the ejection port because you can't see it
*edit* down because it sux0rz
Garunteed to make your opponent wet his/her self.
(I had a talon brass eagle paintball gun. I was bored. I know it's fugly but I like it <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif'><!--endemo--> )
I didn't model the ejection port because you can't see it
*edit* down because it sux0rz
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Where do the bullets eject from then? <!--emo&???--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/confused.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='confused.gif'><!--endemo-->
"...which allows for rails and a stable base to incorporate all sorts of optics."
But...you can already put such things on a slide...you just have to make sure they're shock resistant and dont get in the way of the ejection port <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif'><!--endemo-->
Well rifles don't have a slide. Where do the bullets eject? There ya go.
Rather than a slide that exposes the ejection port like on most pistols, there's simply a port that opens up on the side once the forward thing moves back.
<!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->But...you can already put such things on a slide...you just have to make sure they're shock resistant and dont get in the way of the ejection port <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Well now you can use things less shock resistant, and you don't have to worry about getting in the way of the ejection port <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.natural-selection.org/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif'><!--endemo-->
Yes, but...you know what the inside of a pistol looks like, right? There's virtually no room for what you're describing. <!--emo&???--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/confused.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='confused.gif'><!--endemo-->
And if it's got an ejection port on the side, and it's a huge gun (I mean, really, 9 inches? For a pistol? <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif'><!--endemo--> ), then why not say "Oh, well, it's got an extended clip too" and call it an SMG that looks like a pistol (sometimes called an Auto-Pistol)? <!--emo&;)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/wink.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink.gif'><!--endemo-->
How so?
I might make the area behind the magazine a little larger, but only if absolutely nessisary. I think it'll work without it, but then again I'm not thinking traditionally.
I'm trying to imagine a telescoping extractor/fireing pin in the rear to reduce the space required
<!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->And if it's got an ejection port on the side, and it's a huge gun (I mean, really, 9 inches? For a pistol? ), then why not say "Oh, well, it's got an extended clip too" and call it an SMG that looks like a pistol (sometimes called an Auto-Pistol)? <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
because it's not a smg, it's a big **** heavy tournament shooting pistol <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.natural-selection.org/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif'><!--endemo-->
And it is a big pistol. Have you ever held a talon paintball gun? It's not small <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.natural-selection.org/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif'><!--endemo-->
Because a pistol is really not much more than a clip, a firing chamber, and a barrel <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif'><!--endemo--> Rifles can get away with a side ejection port because they've got <i>lots</i> of extra room. Just about every little bit of space on a pistol is taken up by some vital mechanical part.
<a href='http://www.speedloaders.com/images/pistol.jpg' target='_blank'>This is a really crappy picture (Thank you Google!), but it sort of shows what I'm trying to say</a>
The point is that you need room for the mechanical bits, and a pistol just doesnt have that room.
"but then again I'm not thinking traditionally"
Well that's part of your problem <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif'><!--endemo--> You can either make a gun look cool and unrealistic, or cool and realistic. I'm sensing you're trying a little of both and it's lookin weird to me <!--emo&???--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/confused.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='confused.gif'><!--endemo-->
"Have you ever held a talon paintball gun? It's not small"
I dunno about Talons, but my Spyder IS a big gun... <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif'><!--endemo--> Also, I've held a Glock and a Luger, and been around enough pistols in my life to know that they usually arent the size of a paintball gun <!--emo&;)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/wink.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink.gif'><!--endemo--> A marker is ridiculously huge <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif'><!--endemo-->
That's a pretty good model but I REALLY hate brass eagle.
ah well
Just because the pistol has a port similar to a rifle, doesn't mean it's action must be the same, but whatever
Well...yeah, that sort of is what it means, unless you can bend space/time to make the parts magically twist into something else that works within that system and space constraints <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif'><!--endemo-->
Know why virtually all firearm actions (within their type) are the same? Because it's hard to make other actions that do the exact same thing but better. Those kooky gun companies like to go with what works rather than pouring millions into research to make something new (unless a government comes along and waves a contract at em <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif'><!--endemo-->)
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This is how I envisioned it to work-
In the upper diagram:
The "slide" on the front part of the gun is back (recoiled position). This pushes the telescoping extractor/firing pin unit to the rear. (as it is now)
When this moves to the rear, the port cover moves forward (instead of the traditional rear direction, due to space constraints) and the round can be ejected on the way back.
Then the spring pushes the telescoping extractor/firing pin unit forward, chambering the next round, closing the port, and pushing the forward slide back to it's ready position ready for the next shot
Will it work? Who knows, but at least theres room, at least in my opinion. Is it efficient and simple? Probably not as efficient or simple as other pistols. But then again I don't care, I just like the looks of it <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'><!--endemo--> I shouldn't have to justify the feasability, but I do like my weapons to be realistic which is why I went through this trouble. But dont' tell me you have to get magical for there to be enough room. If your still not satisfied I'll redesign it even more. The "A" part I can add to make more room for the spring if nessisary
Well...yeah, that sort of is what it means, unless you can bend space/time to make the parts magically twist into something else that works within that system and space constraints <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif'><!--endemo-->
Know why virtually all firearm actions (within their type) are the same? Because it's hard to make other actions that do the exact same thing but better. Those kooky gun companies like to go with what works rather than pouring millions into research to make something new (unless a government comes along and waves a contract at em <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif'><!--endemo-->) <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
wh...
there are <i>SO</i> many different actions driving the guns today... gas impingement driven rotating bolts in our armalite type rifles, roller-delayed blowback in most HK automatics (not pistols)....
just drop it altogether. it's completely possible.
*blink*
I said 'within types'. Why the heck did you go and list so many different types of actions, then act like that disproves my statement?
Sort of proves it, doesnt it? <!--emo&???--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/confused.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='confused.gif'><!--endemo-->
Anyhow, it might be possible, but I wanted an actual explanation, not just a "Well, it's just that way! Because it is!" <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif'><!--endemo-->
well i guess you're right in that he <i>is</i> a modeller, not a gun maker...
.440 Cor-Bon, for one.
Anywho, I like the concept, don't let those naysayers get you down.
I myself don't know what a Brass Eagle paintballer looks like, I'm an Airsofter mehself *ducks under barrage of paintballs* but some of the paintball designs are really good and would be intresting in the Real World. (Zeus pistols come to mind....)
*shrug* meh two yen, take it or leave it.
All the casings are ejected from under the barrel.....or something.
I don't remember the model #s....I just remember than it was FN and that it was a rifle.
Okay, what I've tried to do is mount a rifle rotary locking bolt, much like a Desert Eagle uses borrowed from, of course, most rifle gas-op designs. However, I essentially just stripped it down to the bolt which is all we need and place it in the back of the frame, where it should be. It propel backwards out of the frame with the help of the four guide rods placed on it, two on top and two on the bottom that telescope inwards upon each other as shown in the diagram, to prevent them from having to stick out of the frame. As the bolt moves backwards, the ejection port cover is moved back with it too (given where it's placed in the upper left hand sketch of a Talon, it should have enough room in the frame to barely make it backwards within the frame) and the spent casing is ejected, allowing a fresh round to be feed in as the bolt slams back in along the guide rods. All should theoratically work, it goes a little outside what Burncycle had in mind I think...but just throwing ideas out there. Well here's the pic, and again I apologize for the extreme lack of detail given the time I put into it.
lol.
knight got pwned.