Vac?
OneSneakYmousE
Join Date: 2002-12-02 Member: 10389Members
Join Date: 2002-12-02 Member: 10389Members
<div class="IPBDescription">What's the point?</div> Ok, so I heard that 2.0 was supposed to be using VAC, but most every server uses CD now.
What was the point of having VAC if no one uses it anyways?
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What was the point of having VAC if no one uses it anyways?
I dont get it <!--emo&:(--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/sad.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='sad.gif'><!--endemo-->
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VAC will ensure ALL (NS) servers will just about free of hacks and cheats, since it comes built in with NS.
At the moment I stay on CD servers as other NS servers have no cheat protection, and there are cheats out there. (UK players will know "The one")
As for sticking to CD servers, yeah thats a good idea, well adminned servers are usually the best places to play. But really its not a concern of mine. When i get killed by some marine it never even crosses my mind he might be cheating, I just keep playing the game.
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Thus, it takes the cheat-creators *much* longer to even realize there is a problem, and then even longer to find out how they got blocked, then they have to write some more code. Meanwhile, the VAC updaters can just check out the cheat sites every other day, download the programs, reverse engineer them and update VAC again.
Before VAC, this was the other way around. Anti-Cheats were always the ones who had to work twice as hard to keep up with the cheats, but now it's a lot more even <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'><!--endemo-->
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One way it does this is see to it that people which will not be visible cannot be seen through a wall with a wall hack because it moves them on the client side so the game thinks they are behind you, mind you, you can still hit them through walls in games like CS, but you won't see them no matter how you try to hack the game. By using various such methods to confuse cheats it manages to make cheats work very poorly or worse than none at all. The way cheats get around C-D seems to be mostly through pretending they are the C-D client and telling the server side C-D 'hey, things look OK on this end' in the same way a real client would when the server queries them . An upgrade fixes the problem because now the cheat makers must figure out how to make their cheats communicate with the server side C-D again.
The Cheating death client hooks into the game the same way a cheat would, therefore it cannot ever be compatible with VAC. C-D tries to detect VAC and if it see's that the server is VAC enabled it tries to drop the client from the server in order to avoid a possible VAC ban(C-D behaves that much like a cheat).
I noticed a little demonstration of this earlier on mineshaft. I was standing in the alcove behind the nozzle at Cafeteria, with a PG just in front of the dining tables. If I stood up, I could see the PG. If I crouched, CD thought the lip in front of me obscured my vision (it didn't), and the PG vanished. It's a very clever way to do things, and frankly I trust it more than I trust VAC.
FYI just check under vac-proof cheats and CD-proof cheats, compare.
edit: BTW. Maybe I should say what it is. It is a letter of 'resignation' from a cheat maker and his thoughts on VAC and CD.
CD is the best anti-cheat. Combined with HLG 1.50 file check, it is VERY effective.
FYI just check under vac-proof cheats and CD-proof cheats, compare. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
The thing is, this doesn't matter. Everything in NS is running on the same engine as DOD and CS, with the same flaws and the same possibilities for exploitation.
Also, remember guys, VAC is optional, if you don't like it, don't enable it, you'll still be able to use CD, you'll just need to switch VAC of. It's the server admin's choice so CD won't just disappear because of VAC.
Yes I'm aware of that, although I didn't quite understand your post or you didn't quite understand mine. What I'm trying to say is that CD updates and stops all the new cheats faster than VAC which btw uses some lame 5 year ban system.
Below im about to post a link with the name cheat in the url. This site contains no cheats or links to other cheat sites. This is a letter written by the cheat coder I mentioned above who has recently been forced to quit due to VAC targeting his cheat and it being detected about 1 hour after every release. Its pretty intresting and gives the views of someone who knows a lot about the whole cheat problem.
<a href='http://csnation.counter-strike.net/files/n..._OpenLetter.pdf' target='_blank'>http://csnation.counter-strike.net/files/n..._OpenLetter.pdf</a>
Id take what he says about VAC with a pinch of salt, after all It was that which beat him in the end.
I like CD and find that they do a good job to keep it UTD.
You have to rememebr you can never have enough protection.
I wish we had a way to send shocks to cheaters through their computers.
Oh come on now don't post that. To start with, it is the exact same letter as I found and posted 3 posts earlier except I found it at <a href='http://csnation.counter-strike.net/files/news/Joolz_OpenLetter.pdf' target='_blank'>http://csnation.counter-strike.net/files/n..._OpenLetter.pdf</a>, a ligitimate site that does not claim to contain the source code for his cheats like the one you managed to find... can a moderator please edit the link in his post to either the site I found or another one with that letter or nuke the link?