Carapace Usefulness Charts?

TheGlowTheGlow Join Date: 2002-11-22 Member: 9650Members
<div class="IPBDescription">Any?</div> I know in 1.04 we had extensive research of effectivity of carapace.
Anyone know how it is now?
Im contemplating if I should be getting it as fade or go regen and spam metabolize anyways.

And as a skulk I grab it because regen isnt really doing much unless i hide for a week in a tunnel.

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  • hameshames Join Date: 2002-11-12 Member: 8293Members
    edited August 2003
    i played a lot in in 1.x and carapace(I stopped playing dec 28th and started the night 2.0 came out) was the way to go, but now it seems way less effective, which could be do the following reasons:
    1.) less muzzle flash on the lmgs
    2.) marines are better
    3.) less lag(generally)
    4.) my skill has degraded
    5.) various combinations of the above

    From the look and feel of playing with it, carapace's effectveness has been diminished.
  • FrostyFrosty Join Date: 2003-04-20 Member: 15667Members
    on many aliens the amount of extra armor from cara has droped a bit (though raise considerably for gorge) however the big thing is it slows you down some now, so unless im a gorge, or sometimes when a lerk, i get regen, cus i depend on my skulk speed, though celerity and cara still works great (some like it more cus celarity makes em go too fast and they cant aim right, cara makes it perfect for them, me i like full celarity, but its so fast the slow from cara isnt a big deal)
  • Clan_HunterClan_Hunter Join Date: 2002-11-07 Member: 7499Members
    I've heard from PTs before the release that the carapace speed decrease got scrapped.
  • StoneburgStoneburg Join Date: 2002-11-11 Member: 8174Members
    Carapace does not slow you down. Why do people keep saying this? Haven't you played with carapace? If you haven't, you really shouldn't comment.

    Carapace has been "nerfed" quite a lot. I *think* that instead of 11 shots you can take 16, or something liek that (as skulk) which would be aprox a 50% increase in life, compared to the 100-150% increase in 1.04.
  • The_FinchThe_Finch Join Date: 2002-11-13 Member: 8498Members
    <a href='http://www.nonoobs.com/damage.php' target='_blank'>http://www.nonoobs.com/damage.php</a>

    It offers a 39%-72% increase in life now, depending on the lifeform. Onos get the least benefit, while gorges get the greatest. It doesn't slow you down. It's not as effective as it was in 1.04.
  • TheGlowTheGlow Join Date: 2002-11-22 Member: 9650Members
    I remember hearing it would slow you down, but from all the times ive used it, I havent noticed any decrease.
    I was beginning to think it was all lies and maltruths.
  • EighteenTwelveEighteenTwelve Join Date: 2003-08-10 Member: 19366Members
    I want everyone who plays marine to go to that link and look at the spore damage. See? It doesn't kill quickly, or even do a lot of damage.
  • BeastBeast Armonkyi Join Date: 2003-04-21 Member: 15731Members, Constellation
    Carapace DOES slow you down. It was changed last minute. I notice the effect myself.
    I personally go for regen instead now <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'><!--endemo-->
  • Frogg2Frogg2 Join Date: 2002-11-02 Member: 4867Members, Constellation
    <!--QuoteBegin--Beast+Aug 13 2003, 01:41 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Beast @ Aug 13 2003, 01:41 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Carapace DOES slow you down. It was changed last minute. I notice the effect myself.
    I personally go for regen instead now <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'><!--endemo--> <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    no
  • ViolenceJackViolenceJack Join Date: 2002-11-03 Member: 5624Members
    lookin at the link have u seen how fast an lvl3 HMG kills a onos without carapace lol. even a lvl0 HMG kills em pretty fast.
  • EighteenTwelveEighteenTwelve Join Date: 2003-08-10 Member: 19366Members
    If all the shots hit. Never forget the power of a sudden 300 ping.
  • BeastBeast Armonkyi Join Date: 2003-04-21 Member: 15731Members, Constellation
    <!--QuoteBegin--Frogg2+Aug 13 2003, 07:48 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Frogg2 @ Aug 13 2003, 07:48 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin--Beast+Aug 13 2003, 01:41 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Beast @ Aug 13 2003, 01:41 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Carapace DOES slow you down. It was changed last minute. I notice the effect myself.
    I personally go for regen instead now <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'><!--endemo--> <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    no <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    This just proves what misinformation does. ;_; Oh well, guess eveyrone makes mistakes, thanks for clearing that up frogg2
  • altairianaltairian Join Date: 2003-06-18 Member: 17459Members
    the lerk actually gets the smallest benefit from carapace...not onos
  • SlothropXSlothropX Join Date: 2003-07-21 Member: 18315Members, Constellation
    Eww, according to that chart a 10% damaged Ono will go down in a single level 3 LMG clip.

    And remember, it'll cost less in 2.01 to upgrade three levels of weapon than it does to spawn that single Ono...

    I predict some serious Marine ownage next patch. The economic changes will even out the tech levels, but the removal of digest (at least in situations when the Ono would be in any danger) and the severe umbra nerf are going to swing the combat balance heavily against aliens.

    On the plus side, suddenly everyone is going to believe that they're a really smashing comm.
  • ViolenceJackViolenceJack Join Date: 2002-11-03 Member: 5624Members
    remember the 2.01 change log isnt final. I think there testing ways of making alien and marine expansion relaticly equal.

    although if u have dc u get regen unless ur wierd and u get redem. regen on onos is unreal.
  • TheGlowTheGlow Join Date: 2002-11-22 Member: 9650Members
    Man, all I know is I dont know why marines are complaining about the onos.
    I remember going onos with carapace in 1.04 and being able to go to town in the marine base solo for a minute easy.
    And a fade could take a beating too.
    Nowadays its all about go in, and try for ONE kill, and get out. Heal somehow, repeat.
    Its like I have to control my madness urges to go after the pack of 4 or 5 marines. As a skulk ill go for it cuz ill lose 6 res at most from upgrades. Thats it. I feel for an evolution to be successful, it should be able to earn its res back before you die. Obviously, onos doesnt cut it.
    Fade if done properly can. And a lerk, takes a bit. Too much spore focus.

    Plus ive had shotties kill my onos in under a second.
    And a point blank shottie killed my carapaced fade. I dont know if I caught some fire elsewher, but, I heard the shottie and i died.
  • ViolenceJackViolenceJack Join Date: 2002-11-03 Member: 5624Members
    ive entered marine bases before as onos and my hp has gone from 500 to the red in under 1 sec. from shottys of course.
  • n4s7yn4s7y Join Date: 2003-04-18 Member: 15627Members
    Shotties are the king <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'><!--endemo-->. Against skulks, they are unstoppable. They're a nice defense against onos too.

    I looked at that chart thing and thought to myself "... so why do I spend an entire clip killing on skulk?"
  • EighteenTwelveEighteenTwelve Join Date: 2003-08-10 Member: 19366Members
    The half-life engine, that's why *laughs*
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