Ns_nancy V2

Kalopsia · August 2003

<div class="IPBDescription">Screeny</div> as i have mentioned in another thread, i was attempting to remake nancy. At the moment is is coming along fine with some exceptions. Below i took a screeny for ya to look at of sub space. Sorry about the picture quality but i am yet to find out how to change the resolution in batch compiler. Any help with this matter please post. Also that is a draft of the layout , to me the center looks a bit thin but thats always up for change.

What ya think:
<img src='http://www.members.optusnet.com.au/nambucca/nancy.JPG' border='0' alt='user posted image'>

instant · August 2003

It'd be mad if you get it to look pretty much the same Ozbirdyboy!

psikal · August 2003

very cool !!

Kalopsia · August 2003

also i forgot to mention no comments about lighting as i prefer to leave it to last.

marcos · August 2003

No, dont do this.

Kalopsia · August 2003

</span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (marcos @ Aug 12 2003, 05:57 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> No, dont do this.  </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> 
what ?

marcos · August 2003

I think It's very wrong of you to recreate this map. It's like copying another map and say it's your work.
And have you even got a "go" from DevilDog?

Kalopsia · August 2003

im only recreating it cause so many people loved it and not once did i say it was my own. Im only making it for those who liked the map. Also about devildog, i thought i mentioned that i wont release it without his/hers go ahead but i must of put that in another forum, my mistake. but i emailed devil and waiting for a reply.

Parasite · August 2003

No offence but, you really shouldnt even post pics until you get permission to proceed.
Remember when someone *ahem* "modified" NS Nothing?

If DD wanted this done, he would give you the source to modify...

Nancy wont work in 2.0 for many reasons. Onos stuck problems...1 viable entrance to subspace and engine hives, and with multiple gorges, aliens will easily block Mess Hall and Crew Lockers effectively cutting off marine access to any of the hives. Not to mention an overall lack of atmosphere and bland lighting. IMO the map just barely met the 1.0 guidelines and DOES NOT conform to the 2.0 guidelines, thats why it was removed. It was a fun map, despite its flaws, and I would love to see <i>DEVIL DOG</i> top his initial efforts by beefing up Nancy himself...but with the amount of re-design you are gonna have to do, you will almost be making an entirely new map anyway. Why not build your own map. This is a waste of time imho.

Elite_Guard · August 2003

</span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Parasite @ Aug 12 2003, 06:57 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> If DD wanted this done, he would give you the source to modify...  </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> 
except there is no source anymore

CrAcKbRoCk · August 2003

ns_nancy is dead...move on people...

Ollj · August 2003

looks good enough to be proud of and continue.

Some_tall_guy1 · August 2003

It looks good except its too thin. I wont comment on lighting like u asked. Also isn't there supposed to be a cylindricle thing in the center?

Dubbilex · August 2003

</span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Parasite @ Aug 12 2003, 06:57 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> No offence but, you really shouldnt even post pics until you get permission to proceed.
Remember when someone *ahem* "modified" NS Nothing?

If DD wanted this done, he would give you the source to modify...

Nancy wont work in 2.0 for many reasons. Onos stuck problems...1 viable entrance to subspace and engine hives, and with multiple gorges, aliens will easily block Mess Hall and Crew Lockers effectively cutting off marine access to any of the hives. Not to mention an overall lack of atmosphere and bland lighting. IMO the map just barely met the 1.0 guidelines and DOES NOT conform to the 2.0 guidelines, thats why it was removed. It was a fun map, despite its flaws, and I would love to see <i>DEVIL DOG</i> top his initial efforts by beefing up Nancy himself...but with the amount of re-design you are gonna have to do, you will almost be making an entirely new map anyway. Why not build your own map. This is a waste of time imho.  </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> 
Unfortunately the source was lost in a HD crash. <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/sad.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='sad.gif'>

Rival · August 2003

Maybe this would be a good place to ask.. I was wondering if there was a website I can still download Nancy from so I can play my favorite map.

Parasite · August 2003

O thats right...well, I'd still wait for a response from DD before hyping it up anymore. If he says no all your current efforts will be wasted.

Parasite · August 2003

</span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Ollj @ Aug 13 2003, 12:32 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> looks good enough to be proud of and continue.  </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> 
Proud of what? Copying someone elses hard work?

Elite_Guard · August 2003

</span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Rival @ Aug 12 2003, 09:11 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> Maybe this would be a good place to ask.. I was wondering if there was a website I can still download Nancy from so I can play my favorite map.  </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> 
i put it up for download at thehivemind. An NS 2.0 Minimap is included.

<a href='http://www.thehivemind.org/modules.php?op=modload&name=UpDownload&file=index&req=viewdownloaddetails&lid=286&ttitle=Nancy' target='_blank'>ns_nancy</a>

Kalopsia · August 2003

i guess i wont be getting a reply from dd as if you have alook at his post count it is: 4
<a href='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/index.php?act=Profile&CODE=03&MID=364' target='_blank'>http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/in...CODE=03&MID=364</a>

So no point continuing since so many people have a problem with bringing a map back to life that everyone liked and also i dont think i will be getting a reply anytime soon.

Droggog · August 2003

Screenshot is a little small but its looking ok.
It's sad to see ppl trying to discourage you. <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/marine.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='marine.gif'>

I'm affraid DevilDog will probably never answer, but i doubt he would mind to see his map completely redone cause gamers liked it. That said, if you don't get any answer, still want to do "something" about the loss of nancy and respect his work at the same time, i think this is possible.

Here's my view:

When BMW (yeah, the cars) design a new model of one of their car, they improve it, but they keep the car somewhat similar to older models right ? (4 doors, same dimensions, etc).

Ok, Nancy is a ship. I don't see why another ship of the same kind of model couldnt exist. Call it Marie, Brenda, whatever... put a sign in the readyroom saying "This ship is dedicated to nancy and its crew, lost in a crash on planet#5435.02c" (hey.. some background !! eheh).

Make a similar layout, but not exactly the same, just fix the flaws like the single entrances to hives and stuff, change some corridors, use the same kind of textures, blabla. Do everything from scratch taking a lot of inspiration from Nancy, but not just copying rooms (a 1980 BMW doesnt have the same motor that a 2003 BMW right? so hey, maybe port engine will not look exactly the same! <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif'> ).

That way you can have the same kind of map, with a cockpit, a messhall, engine, etc ... the same kind of atmosphere and still respect DevilDog's hard work. It will be a new map, your own map, inspired from nancy a lot, but not a simple copy.

<img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/marine.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='marine.gif'>

Kalopsia · August 2003

all good ideas drog, good to see more then a few people share the same passion as i did for nancy. I already had a name picked out for i aswell. As devil named it after a chick, i was gonna name it after my chick, ns_bell (bell short for belinda). Anyhow i will get back into it when i have the time but thanks anyhow.

kittycat · August 2003

</span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>Not to mention an overall lack of atmosphere and bland lighting.</td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'>

W T F?!

The only map with the special *aliens* feel to it..

<img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/fade.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='fade.gif'> *wants to claw you*

Dubbilex · August 2003

</span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (kittycat @ Aug 13 2003, 04:37 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> </span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>Not to mention an overall lack of atmosphere and bland lighting.</td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'>

W T F?!

The only map with the special *aliens* feel to it..

<img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/fade.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='fade.gif'> *wants to claw you* </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'>
Wow. I think Bast has the most alien - like feel, personally <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif'>

Anyways, most excellent idea, Drog <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'> It would be truly interesting to see a true nancy <i>tribute</i> instead of a redux. Perhaps this would also satisfy those naysayers out there? or course, it IS more work, but it can be done with enough dedication <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'>

Good luck!

Maus · August 2003

Forget all the people who say it's bad/disrespectful/rude/satanic to remake nency. Also, forget remaking nancy, because although people have fond memories of it, it <i>was</i> a flawed map.

Instead, make something new. Nancy Mk. II, or something else inspired by it.

Supernorn · August 2003

yes, you could make a sequal to Nancy, to pay homage to the original map. Much like veil is a sequel to Eclipse. Similar design, yet different.

Not sure if that would still be a problem to those that dislike the idea of a remake.

Asraniel · August 2003

nancy 2 would be better, not a remake, simply because i would see every detail that isnt correct and i would like it.. you see. Make a sequel like veil, i KNOW its harder, you have to do a layout etc. But you dont have to search a mapping style, you can simply copy the hallways of nancy (not 1:1)

Flayra · August 2003

I think it's a great idea to remake this fantastic map. I think it would be good to get permission from DevilDog, but I also don't think it's strictly necessary. NS is freely modified without my permission, CS maps are recreated as NS maps without permission, etc. As long as you give credit where credit is due, I don't see the harm in recreating it.

Definitely do try to contact him though. He's a nice guy, and I'm sure he wouldn't mind this (especially because the only reason it was removed was because the source was lost in a hard-drive crash, and changes in 2.0 suddenly needed it to be recompiled). He can be reached at devildog@planetavp.com.

exoity · August 2003

I did some of this earlyer before also but was lost in a harddrive crash. I started a little team of mappers to redo this a little bit ago but it didn't work out.

ozbirdboy - If you want to team up I will help you out or we can both do are own thing and see which looks better. I think it will be better if we work together but of course get permission from the first maker of nancy.

Lazer · August 2003

Alright, after seeing this "go for it" from Flayra, I'll be glad to help with a remake. Contact me at dafshin@comcast.net please. Either that or go to #clan-cx on gamesnet and pm me. Just assign me a part of the map and I'll try to make it almost exact and then fix some of the few flaws.Then we can do slight gameplay changes later.

Anyone redone messhall yet? I'd like to give it a try.

exoity · August 2003

Then it looks like we can have a team. Me, ozbirdboy and Lazer. The map should get to fastly =)

elchinesetourist · August 2003

</span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Parasite @ Aug 12 2003, 06:57 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> No offence but, you really shouldnt even post pics until you get permission to proceed.
Remember when someone *ahem* "modified" NS Nothing?

If DD wanted this done, he would give you the source to modify...

Nancy wont work in 2.0 for many reasons. Onos stuck problems...1 viable entrance to subspace and engine hives, and with multiple gorges, aliens will easily block Mess Hall and Crew Lockers effectively cutting off marine access to any of the hives. Not to mention an overall lack of atmosphere and bland lighting. IMO the map just barely met the 1.0 guidelines and DOES NOT conform to the 2.0 guidelines, thats why it was removed. It was a fun map, despite its flaws, and I would love to see <i>DEVIL DOG</i> top his initial efforts by beefing up Nancy himself...but with the amount of re-design you are gonna have to do, you will almost be making an entirely new map anyway. Why not build your own map. This is a waste of time imho. </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'>
marine spawn will also be unassailable.

I liked the bridge (marine start) and the hall near subspace where there are doors (which unfortunately lead nowhere)

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