Time Frame
Stoneburg
Join Date: 2002-11-11 Member: 8174Members
Join Date: 2002-11-11 Member: 8174Members
<div class="IPBDescription">When you get what</div> If you are playing on a competent team, these times are feasible.
1 min - lvl3 Move, Def or Sens.
3 min - 2:nd hive started
6 min - 2:nd hive finished
7 min - Second lvl3 upgrade and unless hive #3 is locked down it should be started
10-12 min - First Onos
12-15 mins - 3:d hive started
Record time so far on the server I am playing is to start the 2:nd hive at 2:41, that can probably be reduced some but it's more realistic to expect it to be going up at 3-5 mins. Usually the first Onos comes online at about 10-12 mins unless you have had a bunch of lerks and fades. The easiste way to accomplish this on a 10 player server:
5 people go gorge and cap a res node, then either suicide, or if there is a spawn que, evolve back to skulk.
3 people go gorge and drop an upgrade chamber, preferably M. They stay gorge to heal skulks and start dropping OC's at choke points and hives.
2 people, the best skulks, go hunting frags and save for the hive. Whoever hits 40+ first runs to the hive you want, gorge up and drop it, thew other one saves for Onos.
Easiest way to accomplish this on a less organised server is to yell at *everyone* to drop a res node, then go gorge yourself for the upgrade chambers. There will always be frag-lovers that will stay skulk and save for Onos, you just need to bully them into starting a hive instead. You will be moving towards the closest hive to drop OC's.
Tactical problems are few, the hive-rush pretty much being the only one to worry about. If a hive rush is coming, have the gorges go back to the hive for healspray and one or to people lerk up for spores.
This is a combination of Expanding (5 RT's), Teching up (lvl 3 upgrades and hive) and Turtling (gorges dropping OC's) that is available to Aliens for some reason, so you might as well use it. If you want, you can even Rush as well. Basically, Aliens are allowed to use all tactics at at least 90% effectivenes at the same time. The *only* way you can lose this is to your own incompetence, ie: letting Marines into your hive or (not realistic) letting them kill all your res nodes.
Oh, and upgrade chambers should be in the order of Move, Defense, Sensory. Move forst for celerity/silence skulks (immediatly doubling the value of every skulk) adren for lerks and adren/celerity for gorges. Defense should be second to protect the Onos.
1 min - lvl3 Move, Def or Sens.
3 min - 2:nd hive started
6 min - 2:nd hive finished
7 min - Second lvl3 upgrade and unless hive #3 is locked down it should be started
10-12 min - First Onos
12-15 mins - 3:d hive started
Record time so far on the server I am playing is to start the 2:nd hive at 2:41, that can probably be reduced some but it's more realistic to expect it to be going up at 3-5 mins. Usually the first Onos comes online at about 10-12 mins unless you have had a bunch of lerks and fades. The easiste way to accomplish this on a 10 player server:
5 people go gorge and cap a res node, then either suicide, or if there is a spawn que, evolve back to skulk.
3 people go gorge and drop an upgrade chamber, preferably M. They stay gorge to heal skulks and start dropping OC's at choke points and hives.
2 people, the best skulks, go hunting frags and save for the hive. Whoever hits 40+ first runs to the hive you want, gorge up and drop it, thew other one saves for Onos.
Easiest way to accomplish this on a less organised server is to yell at *everyone* to drop a res node, then go gorge yourself for the upgrade chambers. There will always be frag-lovers that will stay skulk and save for Onos, you just need to bully them into starting a hive instead. You will be moving towards the closest hive to drop OC's.
Tactical problems are few, the hive-rush pretty much being the only one to worry about. If a hive rush is coming, have the gorges go back to the hive for healspray and one or to people lerk up for spores.
This is a combination of Expanding (5 RT's), Teching up (lvl 3 upgrades and hive) and Turtling (gorges dropping OC's) that is available to Aliens for some reason, so you might as well use it. If you want, you can even Rush as well. Basically, Aliens are allowed to use all tactics at at least 90% effectivenes at the same time. The *only* way you can lose this is to your own incompetence, ie: letting Marines into your hive or (not realistic) letting them kill all your res nodes.
Oh, and upgrade chambers should be in the order of Move, Defense, Sensory. Move forst for celerity/silence skulks (immediatly doubling the value of every skulk) adren for lerks and adren/celerity for gorges. Defense should be second to protect the Onos.
Comments
yes, they move slower and can't walk on walls but it means they can use a different upgrade and still sneak up on marines that are building an expansion.
Not true, it depends entirely on the team's plan. Sometimes you want s/d/m, or d/m/s (not really sure why you'd use d/s/m, but I'm sure there's a strategy that'd benefit from that).
In addition, you can start the hive earlier than that, but you need mad res-for-kills, so, yeah, 3 minutes it's about norm.
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Errr.. I just *told* you the plan. I didn't say "You should always do this" I said "If you do this, then you should do this".
Basically at most you'll get 70% of your team gorging at the start for chambers/res
I'd say in an average game that second hive is placed at about the 8-10 minute mark.
Which is fine since about 30% of marines actually follow orders.
But hey good write up. I agree with M/D/S unless you have a very teamwork oriented alien team where sensory first becomes very powerful.
Basically at most you'll get 70% of your team gorging at the start for chambers/res
I'd say in an average game that second hive is placed at about the 8-10 minute mark.
Which is fine since about 30% of marines actually follow orders.
But hey good write up. I agree with M/D/S unless you have a very teamwork oriented alien team where sensory first becomes very powerful. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
I think the average hive is about 4-5 minutes on the server I am playing (record is 2:41 and this is a pub server). With 70% of people gorging as you stated, it is definetely feasible.
I would consider 8-10 minutes *extremely* late. Basically aliens have to run around in circles with their eyes shut to be that late.
Of course if you assume that both the teams are equally organised/skilled then having only 30% of Marines follow your oders would probably indicate that you're playing at a low-quality or newbie server, as you say, a 8min hive might be fine then. But it's not good.
Trust me, I only play pub servers and it happens every time. Skulk, get RFK, hive. It only gets easier with successive matches as you quickly learn if the marines are rambos or intelligent forms of life.
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Why? Because the better players just blew their res on a hive and SC/MC/DC chambers. And if the rest of the team are hopeless or hoarders, then the game IS over.
I think that will be hard to beat. <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'><!--endemo-->
Insane killingspree.
Or just 5 guys humping the armory.
And 30% in a 10playergame, that would mean the biggest group is 3 men(yes, I MATHGENIUS!!!), not to cool if you wanna make a real base or siege something.
it doenst make a tiny bit of driffrence.....
delays 2nd hive by 2 mins tho.