Developers, What Did You Do To Ns?
eddi
Join Date: 2003-08-16 Member: 19807Members
Join Date: 2003-08-16 Member: 19807Members
Hi. I am a big fan of NS and a regular player. I played 1.x a lot and thought it was a littlebit uneven towards the marines. This is the reason why I looked so much forward to the release of 2.0. I thought that in 2.0 we would finally have an even gameplay. On the contrary, NS2.0 has the most uneven gameplay you can imagine. This leaves the game almost impossible to enjoy for a long time. The only possible way for the marines to win a game is to have a perfect team, no noobs at all, and a very, very experienced comm. I am just so frustrated now, because I'd waited for so long to play ns2.0, because of the even gameplay it was supposed to have. Playing NS2.0 on the internet is almost impossible, since aliens win 9 out of every 10 games. So this is now a LAN only game where teamplay and coordination is easyer.
I am sick of the long, hopeless fights where the alien power is maximized and the marine power left almost unchanged! And the alien cloaking near SC's makes things even more impossible.
Don't get me wrong though, the game is great and the concept also. This game caused me to quit playing CS and play NS for days and nights, well not anymore though.
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Eddi
I am sick of the long, hopeless fights where the alien power is maximized and the marine power left almost unchanged! And the alien cloaking near SC's makes things even more impossible.
Don't get me wrong though, the game is great and the concept also. This game caused me to quit playing CS and play NS for days and nights, well not anymore though.
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Eddi
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IMO, In 1.04 the marines were more powerful than aliens. Just play for some time, you'll see that the strats will change and hopefully the game will be more balanced because the player will better know it. You just have to wait <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'><!--endemo-->
A squad of caraspaced skulks could tear apart anything.
You just need uber lerks. <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif'><!--endemo-->
And, bleh, 2.0 is very close to balanced... In fact, I'd argue that most pub losses are not related to the actual imbalances in the game, yet. Some are, but most are just team coordination problems.
I've played many games in 2.0, and i've noticed that you don't need a team of advanced players to win as marines, you just need a team of people that listen to their commander, period. You win 2 out of 3 games when marines just listen to their commander (provided he knows what he's doing). So go play some more before you come in here and be a broken record. kthxbye.
OMG how can you say marines in 1.x where overpowered, they owned aliens all the time, and aliens were always restricted to skulk. Now with the lost cost of stuff its pretty much balanced, normally people who whine about unbalanced NS is often that they just aren't good at NS in the first place.
I used to play on the marines camp, since even before playing on pubs, the friend who introduced me to NS and I tryed the game on a LAN to learn the basics.
After that (it tok us something like 20-30min), we went on pub servers to get a better feel of the game. Even thought we were not very experienced, even thought our team didn't won so many games, we had a good time playing.
Well I had such a good time that I started to read almost <i>everything</i> I could that was officially told about the marines, and the position of commander.
Since I know that not many players are going to go through this entire process before playing, I don't expect everyone around me to play like *The Best Marine Player Of The Year* <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'><!--endemo-->
But when you play with a good com, good enough players, the ones who follow orders, that don't F4-runaway, that try to stay together (hell! I have the impression it has already been told 1milion times!) etc Marines <b>DO</b> win.
And it always amaze me to see us win since it really goes like a cool flow: you see people around you who know what they do, listen orders etc and magicaly, you win! <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'><!--endemo-->
Well, it's no magic, but teamplay, that's all.
Lately, I started to play as an alien.
It's totally different.
Now that I played both side, I would say it would be easier to play as an alien as a newbie since you don't depend on anyone else but yourself. Nobody will yell at you because you are rushing directly to the marine spawn base (or nobody did in my case or on servers I played on).
But to win a match, you still have to work on a coordination basis. Even on the alien side, teamplay is a major point.
So what now?
The question I would like to ask is that:
<b>Why do you play to NS?</b>
Could it be that your only purpose is to <b>WIN</b> <b>WIN</b> <b>WIN</b>, no matter what it takes, or whatever you play as?
So then in my opinion you got it wrong.
I don't think the makers of this game wanted you to play to win over and over and over again as a marine (nor an alien mind you) but to have <b>*FUN*</b>.
Okay you get major satisfaction to be on the winning side, but should it be your only reason to play?
God, if anything bothers me right now, its not the small things they need to change in 2.0 (which is ONLY to make it easier to upgrade the arms lab, NOTHING ELSE, maybe lower the time needed to upgrade the armory) but how much the community is whining.
Its a challenge, but today, a team I commed managed to win even when the aliens had a 7;3 node ratio against us throughout most of the game, plus managed to get about 8 onos out before game out, two before heavy armor even came.
PLEASE, stop crying about everything, too much change will swing back to uber "elite" marines of 1.4
Amen, its pathetic how more people cry about "Oh marines are so not powerful enough they need rpg and this and that" yet only half that amount whined about jp/hmg rushes, and truth be told, that was a lot to, this is just out of hand.
I've played many games in 2.0, and i've noticed that you don't need a team of advanced players to win as marines, you just need a team of people that listen to their commander, period. You win 2 out of 3 games when marines just listen to their commander (provided he knows what he's doing). So go play some more before you come in here and be a broken record. kthxbye. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
hell yea
I used to play on the marines camp, since even before playing on pubs, the friend who introduced me to NS and I tryed the game on a LAN to learn the basics.
After that (it tok us something like 20-30min), we went on pub servers to get a better feel of the game. Even thought we were not very experienced, even thought our team didn't won so many games, we had a good time playing.
Well I had such a good time that I started to read almost <i>everything</i> I could that was officially told about the marines, and the position of commander.
Since I know that not many players are going to go through this entire process before playing, I don't expect everyone around me to play like *The Best Marine Player Of The Year* <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'><!--endemo-->
But when you play with a good com, good enough players, the ones who follow orders, that don't F4-runaway, that try to stay together (hell! I have the impression it has already been told 1milion times!) etc Marines <b>DO</b> win.
And it always amaze me to see us win since it really goes like a cool flow: you see people around you who know what they do, listen orders etc and magicaly, you win! <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'><!--endemo-->
Well, it's no magic, but teamplay, that's all.
Lately, I started to play as an alien.
It's totally different.
Now that I played both side, I would say it would be easier to play as an alien as a newbie since you don't depend on anyone else but yourself. Nobody will yell at you because you are rushing directly to the marine spawn base (or nobody did in my case or on servers I played on).
But to win a match, you still have to work on a coordination basis. Even on the alien side, teamplay is a major point.
So what now?
The question I would like to ask is that:
<b>Why do you play to NS?</b>
Could it be that your only purpose is to <b>WIN</b> <b>WIN</b> <b>WIN</b>, no matter what it takes, or whatever you play as?
So then in my opinion you got it wrong.
I don't think the makers of this game wanted you to play to win over and over and over again as a marine (nor an alien mind you) but to have <b>*FUN*</b>.
Okay you get major satisfaction to be on the winning side, but should it be your only reason to play? <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
I only wish more new players had the attitude that you do towards reading the stuff.
This is just childish and stupid, not to mention illogical. Not only is it stupid to think that two wrongs make a right, but you also seem to assume that everyone plays only one race. Most people play both, and some, like me, tend to play mostly the weaker side. In 1.04 I was alien most of the time and in 2.0 I am Marine most of the time. The only people who "profit" from said inbalance is the lamers that always pick the easy side.
do you always random?
always play marines/aliens?
or pick a team, but dont always pick the same one?
That's the first reason why I emphased playing NS and why I started to play quasi-exclusively on the Marine side.
The second is that I hadn't read enough about the aliens yet and that I wanted to let the aliens in some kind of mystery yet (yes, I know that to defeat your enemy efficently, you have to know him well, but we are supposed to fight an unknown opposition, and knowing everything about them would just ruin the surprise and take away some of the fun^^).
I've learn't sometime after info on aliens mostly by wandering on these forums (most principaly General, Suggestion and Ideas, New Players and S&I Forums) and since I was curious about all the stuff around that "onos devour redemption overpowering" thing, and since I decided to initiate a friend of mine to NS, I turned to the alien side.
Now I understand what was happening to these Onos that were in front of us a moment ago while we were defending our last marine base and were fading away all of a sudden... <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif'><!--endemo-->
I've learnt the mechanics of the aliens, for my few first steps, on the go, but I don't think that I could call myself a noob.
Now, since I enjoy both sides (Aliens and marines require both some teamplay, aliens on the building/gorge feature, and to have a well-going attack on marine bases, with variety of species to attack/heal/harrass... and marines to advance, have better guns and simply stay alive <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'><!--endemo-->) and am a capable player in each, I just jump in the random pit.
What I want is to have a good time playing a game I enjoy. I have a little preference for the marines due to squads, but I also do enjoy the liberty of being a skulk rushing to marines or ambushing them from a dark ceiling corner <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'><!--endemo-->
My favorite lifeform being the Lerk.
Hey! They can <b>FLY</b> man! That's just awesome! <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif'><!--endemo-->
And the other reason is that they are a support-oriented class and that recals me that aliens too are teamplay friendly <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'><!--endemo-->
Well, I admit I do enjoy using this spores thing after suffering so much from it <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif'><!--endemo-->
i second that...