Remove Gl From Ns
godzilla21
Join Date: 2003-06-05 Member: 17022Members
Join Date: 2003-06-05 Member: 17022Members
<div class="IPBDescription">I'm not joking</div> I am quite doubtful about the necessity of GL in NS.
HMG does full damage to alien stuructures now. It easily destroys any alien sturucture.
Mrines can win without GL. All it does is to make stalemates on a game where marines are losing.
I seroiusly suggest removing GL and put Flame thorwer instead.
HMG does full damage to alien stuructures now. It easily destroys any alien sturucture.
Mrines can win without GL. All it does is to make stalemates on a game where marines are losing.
I seroiusly suggest removing GL and put Flame thorwer instead.
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GL is like a mobile siege for marines, it does double damage to structures and is a support weapon.
To remedy GL spam, lower the RoF and disable ammo remarming from the armory for the GL only.
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I'd personally like to see the inclusion of a FT and the nerfing against aliens (and concurrent strengthening against structures still further) of the GL.
It is possible to get unfeasible amounts of GL kills just by spamming from base and/or outposts and 2 GLs can hold off a base for some considerable time. Instead of removing the GL, why not weaken it against players even more and increase damage vs structures to make it a REAL WoL/hive killer. That would also probably require a lowering of cost though...
Just my 2p
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*chukles*
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its NOT a anti players weapon..
you can't really fight a lerk skulk or fade with it.. it shoot to slow explode after 2 long and demage yourself to much to be used at close range..
its used to block enteries and take out buildings.. it cant cop with moving players..
its good as it is..
used by a rine while other rines with shottys hmg or lmg protect him while he take out buildings..
Better would be to turn the ff on on all the servers. GL spammers would stop.
GL is like a mobile siege for marines, it does double damage to structures and is a support weapon.
To remedy GL spam, lower the RoF and disable ammo remarming from the armory for the GL only.
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Lower RoF?? Ugh. Have you ever used the GL? It is very painful because there are so few rounds, and reloading takes sooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo d*** long. Instead of making it even more of a pain to use, I suggest just tweaking it's damage so that it is still usable, but not as effective.
The GL is only unbalanced when it is used to defend the marine base for 5 hours, when the aliens have already won...but that situation itself points to a problem that needs to be solved at a higher level, not just with the GL.
When its just the marines left your goal is to cause them the most res possible. The res you lose do to dieing doesn' t matter much since you probably have 8-9 res towers.
So:
A. Devour a heavy/or weapon equiped marine and run away so they lose the gun. (not the greatest way)
B. Bile bomb thier structures. If they repair them thats one less nader, if not you'll destroy them.
C. Charge in as onos with the soul purpose of being a sponge. In other words tell your gorges "charge in after me and bilebomb", then you charge in and suck up the damage.
D. If you have sensory have the team go for the sat dish. Then your cloaks will work and you MAY be able to sneak into their base and drop a bunch of OC's. One will get shot but the rest should cloak.
The number one problem I see is most people attack the marines and are afraid to die. Another reason I hate server stats. Aliens are there to die, thats why the hive spits you out. I see 3 onos's rush in, gorge a few marines, then retreat to heal. The game will go on forever and worst yet if you don't do at least enough res damage to stop theri income, they'll have heavies and more GL's. The key is res, you cost them res. Killing a marine does not cost them res unless he has heavy armor or a jetpack (guns will just be picked back up).
But I am concerned with the lack of marine diversity. Infact, we need more weapons.
How about an metal sheild that people can use to protect the front of a welder train? Heavies couldn't use these shields so lite marines would have use as the team storms towards the waypoint. This would take over the 2nd slot.
Or dare I say it, gernades!
It would take over the 2nd slot, and these gernades are equicivalent to onos stomp, as in they paralyze the aliens. This makes sure there is still a place for our gl.
Any new weapons for marines so the games aren't so scripted would be great.
It's not being kept, apparently. And, if it was, I'd imagine Flayra'd bump up GL effectiveness to make it a viable choice rather than weaken it, since he digs combined arms and diversity.
I can see the FT as quite the Skulk-Killer, as long as enemies actually catch fire...
Bah! They'll never add a Flamethrower to the game anyway...
All it takes is training yourself to peg the alien dead-on. It's not direct-fire, so get used to handling firing arcs. It doesn't get there instantly, so lead and predict your target.
The weapon would be just fine, honestly, if it did not load ammo directly into the clip from the Armory. :b No more stalemates without significant RP expenditure.
The only 2 ways of making a FT in the HL engine are having an ugly one like in TFC (come on, it IS ugly), or having a fully working, beautiful one, that causes your computer to get 2fps.
-Remove "Direct Hit" of grenade against aliens
-When aliens are hit by a grenade, it drops on the ground and then explode
-Direct Hit agaisnt alien structures still remain
This will make GL totally anti-structure weapon and Hive killer.
Besides this change half damage of HMG agaisnt alien structures might be needed.
Anyway, it dosent matter, marines need more weapons and things to make each marine a diverse soldier who works with his couterparts, somethings i think would be good for the marines to have are. Gas masks <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif'><!--endemo--> Phase cloaking, infared goggles (instead of the MT Haxors!) and boots that are quiet when you walk, thats probabaly way to much for anyone to handel tho, but marines die way to easly right now unless they have heavy armor.
I really really doupt the 2.01beta hmg full dmg on buildings is gonner stay. flayra has just been testing old and new things too sort balancing problems.
Gls are there so we can take out WoL without exposing ourselves into its line of fire, just like Bilebombs. And for mobile seiges, if you wanna save the dough.
its NOT a anti players weapon..
you can't really fight a lerk skulk or fade with it.. it shoot to slow explode after 2 long and demage yourself to much to be used at close range..
its used to block enteries and take out buildings.. it cant cop with moving players..
its good as it is..
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Uhh dude they're not talking about running around and killing people with it, they mean when a marine sits in the base (usually behind 10 - 30 turrets) and constantly fires nades into doorways.
Apparently, the server I did this on, people in the server actually threatened to ban me for recycling base even though we already lost. They just want the pointless slaughter to go on for so long so they can feel superior to other people just because they can kill more than them.
How useless.
Submission when you've already lost IMHO is FAR more preferable than sitting around in a stalemate for the next half hour. Let's you get more games in.
Totally. I consider myself freakin' awesome with a gl (too much time in 1.04 spent doing random things like shooting skulks with gls), and can normally hold my own against up to two incoming bogies as long as I have a full clip (everyone misses, especially against bunnyhoppers). Heck, once, I even picked off 4 skulks and 2 fades with one gl clip (lotsa luck involved, true, and the fact that the 'liens packed themselves close together as they rushed).
The GL's a nice weapon, and very balanced (imho). Spammers give it a bad name, is all.
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Res For Kills.
Unless you LIKE funding another GL for the marines. Or another 3 turrets.