If Ns Was Perfectly Balanced

JimBowenJimBowen Join Date: 2003-05-30 Member: 16873Members, Constellation
<div class="IPBDescription">would it cause more complaints?</div> At the moment aliens are more powerful, everyone knows that including flayra. Personally im happy with this just as I was in 1.04, except it was the marines who were on top. If you play as aliens you can relax a bit and enjoy taking out 4 marines at a time with just your teeth. As marines I have concentrate and work hard, so when thoses rare wins do come, they feel extra special and are a highly rewarding experience.

But what if both side were perfectly balanced? Would this mean that NS would be complaint free and a joy to play? Recently ive seen lots of complaints about stalemates, and surely by making both teams totally even, this would just increase the number of stale games where one side takes hours to overcome the other.

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  • SirusSirus Join Date: 2002-11-13 Member: 8466Members, NS1 Playtester, Constellation
    People will always complain, they will have a bad day or an annoying person, and will blame everyone but themselves
  • EnronEnron Join Date: 2003-08-13 Member: 19656Members
    I agree, commanding the underdog marines to a victory is much more fun/exciting. Playing as aliens is also just as fun because of the mass chaos you can cause (screw onos, go fade).

    One thing I've noticed though is that it doesn't go both ways. Winning as aliens is quite boring and usually very long. Same goes for playing and eventually losing as marines. Marines are *only* fun when organizing the demise of the final alien hive (perhaps also the first 5 minutes of game capping that first res node). Everything inbetween seems quite tedious and essentially the same in everygame.

    Actually winning as marines--awesome
    Normal play of marines--boring

    Winning as aliens--boring
    Normal play of aliens--awesome

    Anyone else feel the same way? Is this a 'feature'? Does it intice enough players to choose marines for the off chance that they'll win that game? Thats basically the only reason I pick marines. Sorta like that one golf shot that brings you back next week. "Maybe we'll win this time."

    More balance to the game may even out the fun factor for 'playing' each race, but it will also even out the fun factor for winning. Is that worth it? I don't know.
  • Iced_EagleIced_Eagle Borg Engineer Join Date: 2003-03-02 Member: 14218Members
    Well 2.0 <i>was</i> balanced in testing. Everyone knew that but they decided to give up balance for fun and some people don't like it. I have yet to play a clan match so I don't know how that works out but I've been watching some CAL 2.0 demos and they actually are really good.... For example as the aliens they play all sneaky and don't rush base, use distractions, set massive traps, etc... I just hope they find a way to give the marines a chance to win wheter it be balancing, adding equipment/weapons... as long as you don't nerf aliens <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'><!--endemo-->
  • bongfarmerbongfarmer Join Date: 2003-02-04 Member: 13119Members
    I would rather have one team be the underdog then to have perfectly balanced stalemates
  • EighteenTwelveEighteenTwelve Join Date: 2003-08-10 Member: 19366Members
    "Recently ive seen lots of complaints about stalemates, and surely by making both teams totally even, this would just increase the number of stale games where one side takes hours to overcome the other. "

    I'd rather have a game that was balanced and a stalemate due to equal skill than one team of people messing around tied with a team using the best tactics possible.
  • fo_sheezy_my_neezyfo_sheezy_my_neezy Join Date: 2002-12-14 Member: 10768Members, Constellation
    What I personally feel about it is that each team should have an equal POSSIBILITY for a win, depending on the other teams strategies and how well you play out your own. It should be a toss-up as to who CAN win, but on the other hand, mistakes made by individuals and teams compound and allow one team to be the clear victor. I think people have been considering "balance" as a system of checks and counters, to where everything has a counter if you do it right. I think it's the wrong way to look at it.



    Did that make ANY sense?
  • trob32trob32 Join Date: 2003-07-21 Member: 18336Members
    <!--QuoteBegin--bongfarmer+Aug 19 2003, 11:53 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (bongfarmer @ Aug 19 2003, 11:53 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> I would rather have one team be the underdog then to have perfectly balanced stalemates <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    I disagree. The games Ive played many people know that aliens usually win which results in teamstacking. I usually go random unless i had 3 straight marine games before.
  • MastodonMastodon Old Fogie Join Date: 2003-01-09 Member: 12052Members, Constellation
    People will always complain because it's what us internet nerds do.

    'Tis but my opinion <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif'><!--endemo-->
  • FlashFrogFlashFrog Join Date: 2003-08-06 Member: 19078Members
    <!--QuoteBegin--Mastodon+Aug 19 2003, 02:38 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Mastodon @ Aug 19 2003, 02:38 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> People will always complain because it's what us internet nerds do.

    'Tis but my opinion <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif'><!--endemo--> <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    You are so wise. <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif'><!--endemo-->

    At least the opposing forces would be even, though this would probably make the complaining degrade into flamewars. (more than it does now)

    Y'know, I've seen that referred to several times, that the game was balanced until they changed it to make it more fun... it makes me wonder exactly which features were put in that made the game more fun...
  • CommunistWithAGunCommunistWithAGun Local Propaganda Guy Join Date: 2003-04-30 Member: 15953Members
    I'm not sure, people will <b><i>ALWAYS</i></b> whine about things, but I think that NS might get redundant if that happened <!--emo&:0--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/wow.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wow.gif'><!--endemo-->
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