Weapon Placement

Facehugger · August 2003

Just an easy question:

Is it possible to place weapons or items just with an entity?

I tried to do it with an multi_manager, but therefor I would have to know the numbers of the weapons and items

So I just created an Item_jetpack (this is what I need) in my ns.fgd and placed it in my map.
but nothing happened, no compile error and no jetpack

I already asked in an other Forum (thewall.de) but they don't know.

Ps: Sorry if my english is bad, but I'm actually german so please try to understand me <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/wink.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink.gif'>

CoolCookieCooks · August 2003

you cant add your own items to an fgd file.

Erias · August 2003

A lack of "map gimmicks" seem to be part of NS... there seems to be the idea that such gimmicks take away from the mod, and in many ways I happen to agree.

So, nope, there aren't a lot of entities you can place (not even with any manner of hax0red FGD files) that you haven't already seen in the official maps. Ah, well. <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif'>

Big_Chief_Brown_Bottom · August 2003

hmm ns_iceworld?

CoolCookieCooks · August 2003

if you COULD add your own entities, by now i would have movewith and driveable vehicles <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif'>

Cloak_of_Letters · August 2003

You use to be able to place items with monstermaker but it’s gone now.

amckern · August 2003

spam weapons, and stuff, in dev mode

then scroll through the console, and see what names are in "" such as nsplayer change class "solider", or "info_gameplay" show "active res nodes 0 v 3", if u spam guns, u will get the names, and there fore use a monster, or squad maker to spawn them

amckern

Facehugger · August 2003

Well ok the func_vehicle is not included in the ns-code.

but not everything that is part of the code is also part of the fgd.
and so I thought it could work, but it doesn't <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/sad.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='sad.gif'>

I think the mapper should have all possibilities he needs.
but there should be some rules by the develoopers.
I just hate it if I have to imrovise something, and it doesn't work because the develoopers try to avoid funmaps, but I don't want to do one.

edit:
sorry I didn't see the last post

yes I'll try.

Erias · August 2003

All this has been tried before, several times, since the beginning of NS.

As I said, most of the entities you can spawn in maps are already in the fgd, everything that's not, including weapon entities, doesn't work and isn't meant to work. People in the past have tried all sorts of tricks to spawn weapons and stuff, and, afaik, they have failed.

Cloak_of_Letters · August 2003

</span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Erias @ Aug 23 2003, 05:40 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> People in the past have tried all sorts of tricks to spawn weapons and stuff, and, afaik, they have failed.  </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> 
You use to be able to place items with monstermaker but it’s gone now.

azumawarrior · August 2003

I don't think it would work because NS clears out all the building/guns at the beginning of the round. <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/wink.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink.gif'>

NerdIII · August 2003

</span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Facehugger @ Aug 23 2003, 04:07 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> Well ok the func_vehicle is not included in the ns-code.

but not everything that is part of the code is also part of the fgd.
and so I thought it could work, but it doesn't <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/sad.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='sad.gif'>

I think the mapper should have all possibilities he needs.
but there should be some rules by the develoopers.
I just hate it if I have to imrovise something, and it doesn't work because the develoopers try to avoid funmaps, but I don't want to do one.

edit:
sorry I didn't see the last post

yes I'll try.  </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> 
Not everything is in the FGD, right, but Flayra did not start with CS or Spirit of Half-Life code so all you could find are some broken standard entities <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/sad.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='sad.gif'>

Kage · August 2003

Actually, I remember reading that NS began its development off of CS.

NerdIII · August 2003

How did he get the sources then? I've never seen a link to a CS Half-Life SDK <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/sad.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='sad.gif'> so I assumed it does not exist.

Gimpy_Doodly_Doo · August 2003

make a bunch of func_breakables. Set spawn on break to shotgun and when you break whatever a SG will spawn. You could also try weapon_grenadegun and weapon_heavymachinegun. Or item_jetpack. But I know shotgun works.

Icecream · August 2003

Is it possible to place weapons or items just with an entity?

</span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>Its Possible</td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'>

How???

Edit the ns fgd with a text editor:
change this line:
</span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>CODE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='CODE'>
//@SolidClass base(TeamChoice) size(-32 -32 -32, 32 32 32) = team_command : "Command station" []
@PointClass base(TeamChoice, Angles) size(-32 -32 -32, 32 32 32) studio("models/b_commandstation.mdl") = team_command : "Command station" []

//@SolidClass base(TeamChoice) size(-32 -32 -32, 32 32 32) = team_breach : "Defines the breach area" []

// Marine weapons
//@PointClass size(-8 -8 -8, 8 8 8) = weapon_knife : "Knife" []
//
//@PointClass size(-8 -8 -8, 8 8 8) = weapon_machinegun : "Machine gun" []
//
//@PointClass size(-8 -8 -8, 8 8 8) = weapon_shotgun : "Shotgun" []
//
//@PointClass size(-8 -8 -8, 8 8 8) = weapon_heavymachinegun : "Heavy machine gun" []
//
//@PointClass size(-8 -8 -8, 8 8 8) = weapon_grenadegun : "Grenade launcher" []
//
//@PointClass size(-8 -8 -8, 8 8 8) = weapon_nukegun : "Nuke launcher" []
//
//@PointClass size(-8 -8 -8, 8 8 8) = weapon_flamegun : "Flame thrower" []
//
//@PointClass size(-8 -8 -8, 8 8 8) = item_welder : "Welder" []
//
//@PointClass size(-8 -8 -8, 8 8 8) = weapon_mine : "Mines" []
//
//@PointClass size(-8 -8 -8, 8 8 8) color(0 128 0) = item_genericammo : "Generic ammo for all marine weapons" []
//
//@PointClass size(-16 -16 -16, 16 16 16) = turret : "Marine turret" []
//
//@PointClass size(-16 -16 -16, 16 16 16) = siegeturret : "Marine siege turret" []
//
//@PointClass size(-16 -16 -16, 16 16 16) = phasegate : "Marine phase gate" []
</td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'>

to this line:
</span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>CODE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='CODE'>
@SolidClass base(TeamChoice) size(-32 -32 -32, 32 32 32) = team_command : "Command station" []
//@PointClass base(TeamChoice, Angles) size(-32 -32 -32, 32 32 32) studio("models/b_commandstation.mdl") = team_command : "Command station" []

@SolidClass base(TeamChoice) size(-32 -32 -32, 32 32 32) = team_breach : "Defines the breach area" []

// Marine weapons
@PointClass size(-8 -8 -8, 8 8 8) = weapon_knife : "Knife" []
//
//@PointClass size(-8 -8 -8, 8 8 8) = weapon_machinegun : "Machine gun" []
//
@PointClass size(-8 -8 -8, 8 8 8) = weapon_shotgun : "Shotgun" []
//
@PointClass size(-8 -8 -8, 8 8 8) = weapon_heavymachinegun : "Heavy machine gun" []
//
@PointClass size(-8 -8 -8, 8 8 8) = weapon_grenadegun : "Grenade launcher" []
//
@PointClass size(-8 -8 -8, 8 8 8) = weapon_nukegun : "Nuke launcher" []
//
@PointClass size(-8 -8 -8, 8 8 8) = weapon_flamegun : "Flame thrower" []
//
@PointClass size(-8 -8 -8, 8 8 8) = item_welder : "Welder" []
//
@PointClass size(-8 -8 -8, 8 8 8) = weapon_mine : "Mines" []
//
@PointClass size(-8 -8 -8, 8 8 8) color(0 128 0) = item_genericammo : "Generic ammo for all marine weapons" []
//
@PointClass size(-16 -16 -16, 16 16 16) = turret : "Marine turret" []
//
@PointClass size(-16 -16 -16, 16 16 16) = siegeturret : "Marine siege turret" []
//
@PointClass size(-16 -16 -16, 16 16 16) = phasegate : "Marine phase gate" []
</td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'>

and now you can set weapons items and buildings as entitys.

Download it here:
<a href='http://www.8ung.at/icebase/ns_w.zip' target='_blank'>NS_w.zip</a>

Kage · August 2003

But does it work? Have you tested it?

There has to be a reason that those lines are commented out.

Icecream · August 2003

it works!! i test it, the only who not works is the nukegun!!!

Icecream · August 2003

and i think they comment out this lines to stop creating funmaps. Or have you seen ns_iceworld???

Erias · August 2003

Those didn't work in 1.x IIRC, but I guess they do now. There goes the neighbourhood.

(No, I don't like the idea of NS "fun" maps. Just my opinion. Go away.)

Gimpy_Doodly_Doo · August 2003

I just tryed it, NO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! it does not work.

Lt_Gravity · August 2003

if u dont know how to add the "lost" entities like monstermaker or some entities from hl:
simply use the old ns.fgd and place the entities. even if u now change to the new fgd, the old ones will keep their values.
I tried this with the hl entity "miniturret". but there was a cruel error with it. in normal testmode (langame, choose map, etc." it worked fine, the turrets opened fire no matter which player entered the area (which was exactly what I expected and wanted) and you could switch the turrets off. perfectly. now look what damage the turret do. *opens console and types "sv_cheats 1"*
CRASH!
ok maybe I messed up the entities.
*recompile*
*starts map*
CRASH!
ok maybe the new fgd is better for 2.0 maptesting.
*recompile*
*starts map*
CRASH!

HELL! why doesnt it work? did the ns team not only deleted the entity from the fgd, instead deleted the whole code in ns? why do the turrets show up completely correct ingame?

edit: and NO! the fgd doesnt work as it is supposed to. no weapon or building drop, sit down, F <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/wink.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink.gif'>

Facehugger · August 2003

hm, I tried Iscreams version, but nothing happened.
no spawn

maybe it got something to do with the zhlt???

edit: as I see, the team_command is now brushbased <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/nerd.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='nerd.gif'>
and what the hell is the "breach area" <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/confused.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='confused.gif'>

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