Are marines really outnumbered?

lazygamerlazygamer Join Date: 2002-01-28 Member: 126Members
<!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td><b>Quote</b> </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"><!--QuoteEBegin-->-Alien playing styles - Aliens are designed to use their physical advanatges to carry the fight. Speed, stealth, the ability to go places humans can't - combined with greater numbers and tougher hides, they should be able to take whatever the marines dish out. All in all, a more DM-oriented set of classes.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->

Errr greater numbers? How is that possible? One player=one marine or one alien right? Unless the game forces the alien team to have 2 more players then the marine team.

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  • SonoSono Join Date: 2002-01-26 Member: 105Members
    Hm.. that sounds weird. And I bet its wrong <!--emo&:)--><img src="http://www.natural-selection.org/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':)'><!--endemo-->
  • BattousaixBattousaix Join Date: 2002-06-25 Member: 822Members
    <!--emo&:p--><img src="http://www.natural-selection.org/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':p'><!--endemo--> they dont have greater numbers, but i think they respawn faster than marines.......
    also, marines expend 1 guy for commanding......
  • Nemesis_ZeroNemesis_Zero Old European Join Date: 2002-01-25 Member: 75Members, Retired Developer, NS1 Playtester, Constellation
    The ronin hit the nail.

    Aliens tend to come back faster and have one fighter more in a 'balanced' game.
    Anyway: <b><i><span style='font-size:10pt;line-height:100%'><span style='color:red'>SUBJECT TO CHANGE!</span></span></b></i>



    <!--EDIT|Nemesis Zero|Aug. 06 2002,07:32-->
  • SonoSono Join Date: 2002-01-26 Member: 105Members
    So anything gets clear.

    When I look at Battousai's avatar and sig I suddenly remember to punish Nemesis Zero by playing Rouroni Kenshin title theme all day <!--emo&:D--><img src="http://www.natural-selection.org/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':D'><!--endemo-->
  • lazygamerlazygamer Join Date: 2002-01-28 Member: 126Members
    Errr come back faster? How does that work, you have to sit at your corpse for 20 seconds? Perhaps you go into ghost mode? Come back faster indicates a waiting period, sitting seems to boring, ghosting seems too unbalanced.
  • SmokeMastaSmokeMasta Join Date: 2002-04-13 Member: 430Members
    you r dead until your commander/hive has enough resorce to respawn u
  • KidzeldaKidzelda Join Date: 2002-06-25 Member: 819Members
    The marines do it too. But it's faster for the aliens for some reason, and you REALLY don't want to die on the marine team since they have the collective resource pool, and each time you spawn costs RPs.
  • Nemesis_ZeroNemesis_Zero Old European Join Date: 2002-01-25 Member: 75Members, Retired Developer, NS1 Playtester, Constellation
    Umm... don't be too sure about the respwn method, it's still largely STC.

    It will however be designed to allow the DMmy aliens a faster re-entry in the game.
  • BattousaixBattousaix Join Date: 2002-06-25 Member: 822Members
    when u die, its like dod, u go to spectator mode and after a period of time u respawn, as a marine, dependin on the ammount of phase gates they own...... the phase gate spawns a marine, and it has to cooldown to spawn another one, so after 20 secs of cooldown its rdy to spawn another marine...... if u dont have enough rps u cant respawn.......
    i dunno how the alien respawning system works....... so i cant tell u anything.....
  • SurgeSurge asda4a3sklflkgh Join Date: 2002-07-14 Member: 944Members
    Also, the marines have one as a Commander, so they have 1 less, or possibly 2, if the game is unable to make them exactly equal. (ala 14 vs 15, 11 vs 12)
  • Sgt_Bilko1Sgt_Bilko1 Join Date: 2002-02-02 Member: 150Members
    A commander should not be considered as a minus one in the sense you are thinking, or at all really. The commander adds a considerable amount of power to the marine side, and it would be impossible for the marines to win without one. You really can't equate the two at all because of how different the role of a commander is as opposed to a marine. A 12 marines vs. 13 aliens game is certainly equal, although that all depends on the RTS style skills of the commander.
  • DunsbyDunsby Join Date: 2002-08-01 Member: 1042Awaiting Authorization
    will there be a thing to even the teams? there might be 10aliens and 2 marines and no-one wont wanna change or somethink so you might need one <!--emo&:)--><img src="http://www.natural-selection.org/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':)'><!--endemo-->
  • the_stalkerthe_stalker Join Date: 2002-01-25 Member: 49Members
    it sounds like if you have a grenade launcher or a mini nuke, you outnumber the aliens by a long shot <!--emo&;)--><img src="http://www.natural-selection.org/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=';)'><!--endemo-->
    but thats just me  :|
  • Snake13Snake13 Join Date: 2002-04-30 Member: 554Members
    if i remember correctly the respawns only cost rp in tournament mode
  • GreedoGreedo Bounty Hunter Join Date: 2002-01-24 Member: 37Members, NS1 Playtester, Contributor
    1.  lazygamer:  what you quoted is at least 3 months old.  Much has changed in the world of NS since then.

    2. <!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td><b>Quote</b> </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"><!--QuoteEBegin-->the phase gate spawns a marine<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    You've confused your buildings.  Phase gates allow light speed travel between each other.  Infantry portals allow marines to respawn.

    3. <!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td><b>Quote</b> </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"><!--QuoteEBegin-->will there be a thing to even the teams?<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    Fun factor.  Horribly unbalanced games, in terms of team numbers, are no fun whatsoever, for either team.  Playing the whole game and not running into anyone on the other team is entirely possible with unbalanced teams, and when that happens, you usually feel really dissapointed.  The best part of the game are the intense, even matched battles that can and do happen often.
  • LongtoothLongtooth Join Date: 2002-07-02 Member: 863Members
    How exactly does the alien respawn work? (I could list a few speculations here but I decided not too)
  • coilcoil Amateur pirate. Professional monkey. All pance. Join Date: 2002-04-12 Member: 424Members, NS1 Playtester, Contributor
    You respawn at the hive; it takes approximately 30 seconds (STC), and the hive can spawn one alien at a time.  Multiple hives, obviously, can spawn multiple aliens simultaneously.  All aliens spawn as a level1.
  • lazygamerlazygamer Join Date: 2002-01-28 Member: 126Members
    <!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td><b>Quote</b> </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"><!--QuoteEBegin-->1.  lazygamer:  what you quoted is at least 3 months old.  Much has changed in the world of NS since then.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->

    Lol ok then, Perhaps MonsE should modify his site. <!--emo&;)--><img src="http://www.natural-selection.org/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=';)'><!--endemo-->
  • SurgeSurge asda4a3sklflkgh Join Date: 2002-07-14 Member: 944Members
    What I mean is that if the teams are: Marines-12, Aliens-13, and one Marine jumps into Commander, the game is effectively 11 vs 13 <i>troops</i> (not team members). But I'm sure this will be fun, as being outnumbered by Aliens gives the game a sense of... um... suspense?
  • FlayraFlayra Game Director, Unknown Worlds Entertainment San Francisco Join Date: 2002-01-22 Member: 3Super Administrators, NS2 Developer, Subnautica Developer
    I'm not sure where you got that quote, but since it's spelled wrong, I don't think you got it from me. ;)  If it is from me, it's quite old and not totally relevant anymore.
  • LongtoothLongtooth Join Date: 2002-07-02 Member: 863Members
    Oh....I was hoping aliens could hatch from eggs and then attach onto a marines face and impregnate him then claw out of his chest as a snake like animal.....Oh wait wrong game <!--emo&:)--><img src="http://www.natural-selection.org/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':)'><!--endemo-->  I was thinking the aliens from the move Aliens life cycle makes no since it is way to overcomplicated for evolution to have devised it must have been engineered.  Anyways being outnumbered by ravenous aliens is what marines do.
  • Whiskey_Tango_FoxtrotWhiskey_Tango_Foxtrot Mr. Acronym Join Date: 2002-07-05 Member: 885Members
    <!--QuoteBegin--Longtooth+Aug. 08 2002,14:56--></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td><b>Quote</b> (Longtooth @ Aug. 08 2002,14:56)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"><!--QuoteEBegin-->Anyways being outnumbered by ravenous aliens is what marines do.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    Isn't that why you signed up?  :|

    Three words: <b>Bring.  It.  On.</b>
  • LongtoothLongtooth Join Date: 2002-07-02 Member: 863Members
    Thats exactly why I signed up.  I figure the more aliens the less chance I have to miss,  I call it the China Theorem.  But that is for another day.
  • BelgarionBelgarion Join Date: 2002-07-19 Member: 973Members
    Nemesis Zero has the RK theme?.. the Japanese one?... from the tv show? not the oav? the real one? really?! i must have....

    Belg
  • SurgeSurge asda4a3sklflkgh Join Date: 2002-07-14 Member: 944Members
    Maybe I should start writing whole sentences in acronyms, so if I quote myself, I can do it easily...

    Oh yeah, the topic. I think it's better if the Marines are outnumbered. Makes it more movie-like... well... except for the first Alien, which had a single alien taking out the whole crew... and then in the second one they blew away swarms of 'em...

    But this would be more like Aliens, I suppose. Kick-###.
  • LongtoothLongtooth Join Date: 2002-07-02 Member: 863Members
    So how exactly do aliens get resources from killing marines?  Do they eat thier bodies and absorb thier biomater?
  • VenmochVenmoch Join Date: 2002-08-07 Member: 1093Members
    Hmmm Outnumbered.... Damn please tell me I won't have a really sensitive motion sensor (the one in AvP2 gave me the creaps)
  • DruBoDruBo Back In Beige Join Date: 2002-02-06 Member: 172Members, NS1 Playtester
    You won't have any motion sensor as a marine. And the Alien one is not really a motion sensor, per se. It's hive sight, i.e. if one alien sees some marines, all the aliens know where they are.
  • MutantMFMMutantMFM Join Date: 2002-07-27 Member: 1005Members
    With a good commander that has enough experience in a RTS game I believe even if the humans are out numbered they could still win.
  • TomboTombo Join Date: 2002-05-17 Member: 626Members
    I think being out numbered or over powered just means u need alot of team work to pull it off. It makes u feel like ur in a movie...like in starship troopers or something but not...well ya know
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