Steam News

MonsieurEvilMonsieurEvil Join Date: 2002-01-22 Member: 4Members, Retired Developer, NS1 Playtester, Contributor
edited September 2003 in Off-Topic
<div class="IPBDescription">(official, for once)</div> (from <a href='http://www.steampowered.com/news' target='_blank'>http://www.steampowered.com/news</a> )

<!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Status Update; New Installers to be Released Tomorrow
September 15, 2003, 5:18 pm · Greg Coomer

Well, the release process last week and over the weekend was pretty rocky. The community managed to get 500,000 accounts created and are currently seeing about 15,000 people playing Counter-Strike 1.6 at any given time. We know that the conversion process has been anything but smooth for many of our users. We're going to get this fixed. We've done our best to support the Half-Life community over the past 5 years, and we're still committed to doing whatever it takes to make the community happy. We've listened to the response, and we'll be repairing the problems with Steam until it performs the way we all want it to.

Tomorrow we will release new installers which include the cache files for all of the games available via Steam (Day of Defeat, Team Fortress Classic, the dedicated server, etc). If you haven't already done so, please use the installer that includes Counter-Strike and Half-Life.

Here's what's going on at Steam HQ:

We ran into some pretty serious bandwidth and server limitations after the release last week, which has caused several other problems like long wait times and UI unresponsiveness. The load is starting to die down now and we're getting more content servers lined up, so these problems are becoming less frequent. As more people begin using the new installers which include the game caches, their experience using Steam will improve greatly. If you're having problems connecting to Steam or launching Counter-Strike, please download the latest version of the installer and give it a try.
Some other Steam problems -- "JIT" error messages, expired ticket errors, etc -- will be fixed with a Steam update this week.
Other stuff:

Counter-Strike 1.5 is still available, and will be for a couple of weeks. After we're confident that the Steam authentication servers are functioning as they should (and not before), we'll be turning off the WON servers and migrating everyone over to the new system.
There have been some reports of the Conversion Wizard failing during account creation. If this happens for you, please try downloading and installing the most recent version of the Steam client from one of the mirrors listed on this site.
We're preparing a new installer on CD for cyber-cafe owners. Contact biz@steampowered.com if you're interested in receiving this.
We've heard from several people who are having trouble getting their MODs working with Steam. We've updated our FAQ with new information about this. Check it out and then email us if you're still having trouble.

Feel free to get in touch with us you're having difficulty, or for whatever reason. Thanks for hanging in there with us through these first few days.
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As pointed out by more level-headed forum readers multiple times, this is a work in progress. Valve obviously knows about the issues and is working through them. Better now than the day HL2 released, naturally.
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  • Nil_IQNil_IQ Join Date: 2003-04-15 Member: 15520Members
    Yay! I might actually consider installing Steam soon!

    (O/T, is it true HL2 has been delayed until October 30th? Or is my m8 Sam a d**k head?)
  • MalevolentMalevolent Join Date: 2003-08-03 Member: 18842Members
    I'm glad they finally said something about it. Hopefully I can get the CS and HL cache downloaded today. The only thing that needs improving (besides the bugs with Steam) is the mirrors on the Steam site (need more).
  • lolfighterlolfighter Snark, Dire Join Date: 2003-04-20 Member: 15693Members
    <!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Counter-Strike 1.5 is still available, and will be for a couple of weeks. After we're confident that the Steam authentication servers are functioning as they should (and not before), we'll be turning off the WON servers and migrating everyone over to the new system.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    Sounds like this quote will turn out to be really useful at shutting people up.
  • InfinitumInfinitum Anime Encyclopedia Join Date: 2002-08-08 Member: 1111Members, Constellation
    <a href='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/index.php?act=ST&f=28&t=47484' target='_blank'>Inf beats MonsE to a newspost. Millions horrified.</a>
  • homerxhomerx Join Date: 2003-04-01 Member: 15094Members
  • MonsieurEvilMonsieurEvil Join Date: 2002-01-22 Member: 4Members, Retired Developer, NS1 Playtester, Contributor
    <!--QuoteBegin--Infinitum+Sep 16 2003, 11:02 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Infinitum @ Sep 16 2003, 11:02 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <a href='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/index.php?act=ST&f=28&t=47484' target='_blank'>Inf beats MonsE to a newspost. Millions horrified.</a> <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    Well done. However, I cannot see that forum as I cut my own access months ago, so technically, I still win. Dai!!!!!!!!

    <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'><!--endemo-->
  • lolfighterlolfighter Snark, Dire Join Date: 2003-04-20 Member: 15693Members
    OMG, owned by someone with a self-molesting avatar. The humiliation.

    *assumes Q3 voice* HUMILIATED!

    Nah, just kidding, I'm contradicting my previous posts otherwise. <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif'><!--endemo-->
    But that's a rare occasion, admitted.
  • InfinitumInfinitum Anime Encyclopedia Join Date: 2002-08-08 Member: 1111Members, Constellation
    <!--QuoteBegin--MonsieurEvil+Sep 17 2003, 01:13 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (MonsieurEvil @ Sep 17 2003, 01:13 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin--Infinitum+Sep 16 2003, 11:02 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Infinitum @ Sep 16 2003, 11:02 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <a href='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/index.php?act=ST&f=28&t=47484' target='_blank'>Inf beats MonsE to a newspost. Millions horrified.</a> <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    Well done. However, I cannot see that forum as I cut my own access months ago, so technically, I still win. Dai!!!!!!!!

    <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'><!--endemo--> <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    I thought the discussion forums was like your little pet forum.... *scratches head*

    Or did you have enough with teen angst... you don't like teen angst do you... MonsE? *poke*

    ...

    *poke*
  • esunaesuna Rock Bottom Join Date: 2003-04-03 Member: 15175Members, Constellation
    Glad to see that they're hopefully gonna squash all them bugs so everyone else can get on Steam and stop whining. I've been using it for a few days, and dispite my doubts, i really like it. <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'><!--endemo-->
  • 343_guilty_spark343_guilty_spark Join Date: 2003-06-18 Member: 17462Members
    So the installers are coming out today ?
  • ThansalThansal The New Scum Join Date: 2002-08-22 Member: 1215Members, Constellation
    /me breaths sigh of relief

    that was my one major scare

    If Valve pulled off something as dunderheaded as the Steam release I was not going to put it past them to kill WON to soon. It seems that they will not kill WON anytime soon <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'><!--endemo-->

    mmm, the truth behind why the discussion forum still lives, MonsE can't see it <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif'><!--endemo-->
  • VeNeMVeNeM Join Date: 2002-07-13 Member: 928Members
    "Tomorrow we will release new installers which include the cache files for all of the games available via Steam (Day of Defeat, Team Fortress Classic, the dedicated server, etc). If you haven't already done so, please use the installer that includes Counter-Strike and Half-Life."

    The hl+cs installer is 388 mb for the exe and 37x mb for the zip. Im on dialup. It takes 30+ HOURS to download just one of those two. So I hold off and see if Valve will come up with a sensible solution (like fixing steam), and what big news do I read? I find out that instead of the 388 mb file I would hafta download....I have to download a file TWICE AS LARGE. TFC and DoD are easily bigger than HL+CS, and all four are included in one file. Plus they are throwing in other games I dont want. I dont want TFC, DoD, or any of their crappy mods. I just want Steam to work so I can get back to playing NS. I look at this as Valves way of saying, "Yea, you can use a modem to play. But since we can't upload purchasable content to you, gtfo anyways" One question, why not leave the current update process in place. Multiple updates spread accross multiple mirrors. Everyone downloaded it alot faster, and the installers were able to be backed up. Now everytime I want to update a game, I would have to fight the broadband users for it instead of getting it off a friend through AIM or a private FTP. So what would am I supposed to do. Quit a game Ive been playing since 98 because Valve wants to overcharge for crappy content, or leave my connection on for a week... And even IF I downloaded this new file. I cant back it up. It will easily be over the burnable limit.
  • ThansalThansal The New Scum Join Date: 2002-08-22 Member: 1215Members, Constellation
    well here is the way I got it working:

    BitTorrent

    get the 'cs and HL' Rar off of bittorrent and then just pop em in over your curent install of steam

    find em here:
    <a href='http://www.counter-hack.net/content.php?page=steamlinks' target='_blank'>http://www.counter-hack.net/content.php?pa...page=steamlinks</a>

    and also info on BT if you don't know it <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'><!--endemo-->
  • JDawgJDawg Join Date: 2003-09-15 Member: 20890Members
    edited September 2003
    <a href='http://www.steampowered.com/faq.htm' target='_blank'>http://www.steampowered.com/faq.htm</a>

    This quote from the faq worries me:

    "Any Steam game, when played on a LAN or otherwise, requires that each individual client be able to authenticate via the Internet.

    At a LAN party, this means that Internet access must be available to every machine on which Steam games are being played. "

    <a href='http://www.steampowered.com/faq.htm' target='_blank'>http://www.steampowered.com/faq.htm</a>

    I'll never use steam until this "feature" is removed. Along with this one:

    "Note: some Steam-enabled single-player games (such as Half-Life 2) purchased at a retail store will allow offline play until the user decides to play online or enable other Steam functionality. From that point on, an Internet connection will be required."

    Authenication to play a single-player game! You got to be kidding me. I guess no portable steam powered games for me. <!--emo&:(--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/sad.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='sad.gif'><!--endemo--> Go to steam forums and nicely post that you don't like this. I'm sure they just put it in the FAQ to see what they could get away with. So we need to give 'em a little negative reinforcement, but no heavy flaming please.

    -JD

    <a href='http://www.steampowered.com/faq.htm' target='_blank'>http://www.steampowered.com/faq.htm</a>
  • CForresterCForrester P0rk(h0p Join Date: 2002-10-05 Member: 1439Members, Constellation
    <!--QuoteBegin--JDawg+Sep 16 2003, 12:38 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (JDawg @ Sep 16 2003, 12:38 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> "Note: some Steam-enabled single-player games (such as Half-Life 2) purchased at a retail store will allow offline play until the user decides to play online or enable other Steam functionality. From that point on, an Internet connection will be required."

    Authenication to play a single-player game! You got to be kidding me. I guess no portable steam powered games for me. <!--emo&:(--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/sad.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='sad.gif'><!--endemo--> Go to steam forums and nicely post that you don't like this. I'm sure they just put it in the FAQ to see what they could get away with. So we need to give 'em a little negative reinforcement, but no heavy flaming please. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    Actually, that's a commonly misinterpreted paragraph...

    What they <b>REALLY</b> mean is:

    You can play single-player all you want, offline. However, online play requires authentication every time.
  • DiablusDiablus Join Date: 2003-03-31 Member: 15080Members
    So does this mean i got to re-install steam and delte the old one? <!--emo&???--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/confused.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='confused.gif'><!--endemo-->
  • SkulkBaitSkulkBait Join Date: 2003-02-11 Member: 13423Members
    What in the world could possibly have motivated valve to require internet access for evey client at a lan party? Isn't that a little rediculous?
  • MonsieurEvilMonsieurEvil Join Date: 2002-01-22 Member: 4Members, Retired Developer, NS1 Playtester, Contributor
    Probably the copy protection and anti-cheat support. Who cares though, just run your old HL clients instead of steam and have the no won master switch turned on. You'll be all set.
  • Josiah_BartletJosiah_Bartlet Join Date: 2002-07-04 Member: 880Members, Constellation
    <!--QuoteBegin--MonsieurEvil+Sep 16 2003, 03:13 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (MonsieurEvil @ Sep 16 2003, 03:13 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--><!--QuoteBegin--Infinitum+Sep 16 2003, 11:02 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Infinitum @ Sep 16 2003, 11:02 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <a href='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/index.php?act=ST&f=28&t=47484' target='_blank'>Inf beats MonsE to a newspost. Millions horrified.</a> <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    Well done. However, I cannot see that forum as I cut my own access months ago, so technically, I still win. Dai!!!!!!!!

    <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'><!--endemo--><!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    Damn, well we'll always have Zimbabwe.

    Anyway I am laying off steam for the minute until they get it all sorted (hurrah for astronmically high ID number!)
  • someonesomeone Join Date: 2003-07-30 Member: 18588Members
    Limited bandwidth issues? More like trying to shove a watermellon through a garden hose bandwidth issues.
  • SkulkBaitSkulkBait Join Date: 2003-02-11 Member: 13423Members
    <!--QuoteBegin--MonsieurEvil+Sep 16 2003, 04:16 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (MonsieurEvil @ Sep 16 2003, 04:16 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Probably the copy protection and anti-cheat support. Who cares though, just run your old HL clients instead of steam and have the no won master switch turned on. You'll be all set. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    They didn't seem to have a problem with copy protection and anti-cheat stuff on LANs before.... And the problem with running old clients is that you're also running old versions of MODs. Unless I missed something....
  • QuaunautQuaunaut The longest seven days in history... Join Date: 2003-03-21 Member: 14759Members, Constellation, Reinforced - Shadow
    Me and CForrester were having a conversation about steam the other day.

    He said "Man, just you wait, 2 more years, and were gonna talk about how people hated steam because it had a rocky start, and no one is gonna believe us while saying 'Steam is the best!'"

    We are SOOOO right.
  • SkulkBaitSkulkBait Join Date: 2003-02-11 Member: 13423Members
    <!--QuoteBegin--Quaunaut+Sep 16 2003, 05:05 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Quaunaut @ Sep 16 2003, 05:05 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Me and CForrester were having a conversation about steam the other day.

    He said "Man, just you wait, 2 more years, and were gonna talk about how people hated steam because it had a rocky start, and no one is gonna believe us while saying 'Steam is the best!'"

    We are SOOOO right. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    *WISTLE* Personal foul, defence #14759. Claiming victory before the game is over. 3 Post penalty, repeat first down.
  • ForlornForlorn Join Date: 2002-11-01 Member: 2634Banned
    <!--QuoteBegin--SkulkBait+Sep 16 2003, 08:56 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (SkulkBait @ Sep 16 2003, 08:56 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin--Quaunaut+Sep 16 2003, 05:05 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Quaunaut @ Sep 16 2003, 05:05 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Me and CForrester were having a conversation about steam the other day.

    He said "Man, just you wait, 2 more years, and were gonna talk about how people hated steam because it had a rocky start, and no one is gonna believe us while saying 'Steam is the best!'"

    We are SOOOO right. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    *WISTLE* Personal foul, defence #14759. Claiming victory before the game is over. 3 Post penalty, repeat first down. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    L O L


    Owned, man, that was good.
  • JefeJefe Join Date: 2003-04-21 Member: 15734Members, Constellation
    <!--QuoteBegin--JDawg+Sep 16 2003, 10:38 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (JDawg @ Sep 16 2003, 10:38 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> "Any Steam game, when played on a LAN or otherwise, requires that each individual client be able to authenticate via the Internet.

    At a LAN party, this means that Internet access must be available to every machine on which Steam games are being played. "

    <a href='http://www.steampowered.com/faq.htm' target='_blank'>http://www.steampowered.com/faq.htm</a>

    I'll never use steam until this "feature" is removed. Along with this one:

    "Note: some Steam-enabled single-player games (such as Half-Life 2) purchased at a retail store will allow offline play until the user decides to play online or enable other Steam functionality. From that point on, an Internet connection will be required."

    Authenication to play a single-player game! You got to be kidding me. I guess no portable steam powered games for me. <!--emo&:(--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/sad.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='sad.gif'><!--endemo--> Go to steam forums and nicely post that you don't like this. I'm sure they just put it in the FAQ to see what they could get away with. So we need to give 'em a little negative reinforcement, but no heavy flaming please.

    -JD

    <a href='http://www.steampowered.com/faq.htm' target='_blank'>http://www.steampowered.com/faq.htm</a> <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    <a href='http://www.steampowered.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=13370' target='_blank'>What's this? Official word? pipht.</a>

    Scroll down to the last post of that page. You has been ownt.
  • SkulkBaitSkulkBait Join Date: 2003-02-11 Member: 13423Members
    edited September 2003
    Ah well, thats good news (for a change).

    ..... whats this?

    <!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->yes you can install the HD pack from blueshift actually, i have it installed right now infact, <b>it works wonderfully, just like steam</b>.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    <i>emphasis mine</i>

    so... it really doesn't work then? <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif'><!--endemo-->
  • GeminosityGeminosity :3 Join Date: 2003-09-08 Member: 20667Members
    edited September 2003
    <b>Edit:</b> forget it... not important or relevant <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif'><!--endemo-->
  • GadzukoGadzuko Join Date: 2002-12-26 Member: 11556Members, Constellation
    I want to like Steam. I really do. I am sure it will be great. But <b>it doesn't work</b> for christ's sake. It doesn't work at all. It takes about 2 1/2 minutes to load up sometimes, the games randomly appear to be uninstalled, 3/4 of the time a game is "unavailable" and I should try another time. How on earth is a game unavailable? I have it. On my computer. The game is perfectly available, it's STEAM that isn't available. Congratulations to everyone who it works for, but you're in the minority. I hate this buggy piece of crap.
  • ArkaineArkaine Join Date: 2002-07-12 Member: 914Members
    <!--QuoteBegin--SkulkBait+Sep 16 2003, 06:00 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (SkulkBait @ Sep 16 2003, 06:00 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin--MonsieurEvil+Sep 16 2003, 04:16 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (MonsieurEvil @ Sep 16 2003, 04:16 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Probably the copy protection and anti-cheat support. Who cares though, just run your old HL clients instead of steam and have the no won master switch turned on. You'll be all set. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    They didn't seem to have a problem with copy protection and anti-cheat stuff on LANs before.... And the problem with running old clients is that you're also running old versions of MODs. Unless I missed something.... <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    They DID have a problem...it just wasn't OUR problem, so we didn't care about it.
  • ArkaineArkaine Join Date: 2002-07-12 Member: 914Members
    <!--QuoteBegin--RAPTOR+Sep 16 2003, 11:23 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (RAPTOR @ Sep 16 2003, 11:23 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> "Tomorrow we will release new installers which include the cache files for all of the games available via Steam (Day of Defeat, Team Fortress Classic, the dedicated server, etc). If you haven't already done so, please use the installer that includes Counter-Strike and Half-Life."

    The hl+cs installer is 388 mb for the exe and 37x mb for the zip. Im on dialup. It takes 30+ HOURS to download just one of those two. So I hold off and see if Valve will come up with a sensible solution (like fixing steam), and what big news do I read? I find out that instead of the 388 mb file I would hafta download....I have to download a file TWICE AS LARGE. TFC and DoD are easily bigger than HL+CS, and all four are included in one file. Plus they are throwing in other games I dont want. I dont want TFC, DoD, or any of their crappy mods. I just want Steam to work so I can get back to playing NS. I look at this as Valves way of saying, "Yea, you can use a modem to play. But since we can't upload purchasable content to you, gtfo anyways" One question, why not leave the current update process in place. Multiple updates spread accross multiple mirrors. Everyone downloaded it alot faster, and the installers were able to be backed up. Now everytime I want to update a game, I would have to fight the broadband users for it instead of getting it off a friend through AIM or a private FTP. So what would am I supposed to do. Quit a game Ive been playing since 98 because Valve wants to overcharge for crappy content, or leave my connection on for a week... And even IF I downloaded this new file. I cant back it up. It will easily be over the burnable limit. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    If you just want to download Steam, and not all the game files, <a href='http://cstrike.gamewarriors.com/' target='_blank'>GameWarriors</a> has that.

    It's less than a MB.
    <a href='http://cstrike.gamewarriors.com/downloads/dir.php?dir=games/client-side/STEAM' target='_blank'>http://cstrike.gamewarriors.com/downloads/...ient-side/STEAM</a>

    It should allow you to import the mods from your old HL install to minimize downloading time.
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