<!--QuoteBegin--Bill+Aug. 10 2002,06:23--></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td><b>Quote</b> (Bill @ Aug. 10 2002,06:23)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"><!--QuoteEBegin-->*there are spoilers for Signs in this post*
Well I'm not even saying the reasons I said are valid reasons for it to not have fought back, I'm just saying I figure that's what they wanted us to assume. I think the director realized he couldn't make the alien fight back and not make it look stupid or unneccesary, and I agree with that decision(can you imagine how stupid the alien would look punching?). Besides, if his wife did some how see a glimpse into things to come moments before she died I don't think she would have told Merril to "swing away" if that would result in him getting his ### kicked in the process.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> well ya....I do agree that it would look stupid for the alien to go matrix style. But it's also just ridiculous for it to just stand there and get reamed. It was standing for like EIGHT whacks of the bat before it fell down, and all that time it didn't do anything. It could have at least lunged at merril and scratch him a bit with its remaining claws, maybe make an attempt with the poison gas.
I mean if that was the big scary alien menace that made the world hide under their beds.....
jeese, we could have taken them all on with a board with a nail in it.
Akira and Ghost In The Shell ok there are no "aliens" in either of these films but they are an intense visual experience (Bike gang fight anyone?) with great storylines in the both and enough violence for all!
Ghost in the Shell was amazing but it reminded me of Starship Troopers in that it had nudity just to have nudity, not much point beyond that. I am not complaining though.
Ghost in the shell didn't have gratuitus nudity there was a reason for it (Thermoptic camo would work if she was wearing clothes!<!--emo&;)--><img src="http://www.natural-selection.org/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=';)'><!--endemo-->
Good topic. I'd say for for any of the Alien movies besides Ressurection, that movie sucks!
Predator is my favorite movie of all time. Its not too cheesy, and it is pretty entertaining for an 80's action flick, and John Mcteirnan directed it. Nuff said.
Another good movie to see for some NS action would be The THING! Yeah, that movie is SICKLY gross, but if you can handle the nasty effects, its one of the best sci fi movies ever!
First thing first (there are innocent souls at stake): Do <b><i>not</b></i> watch the Akira anime! Read the manga, which is just about ten times as intense (especially since the backgrounds get explained)!
Now, for NS - mood movies:
Alien (1): Surely one of the best sci-fi movies of all time, and especially appealing to me because of the lovercraftian influences that were dropped in part 2. Unfortunately, all really great scenes have been so often plagiated by now that you won't really be suprised if you're watching it first time.
Aliens (2): A truly great film that miracolously manages to combine action and story.
Alien 3: My personal favorite. Back are the lovecraftian aspects, and as I'm a sucker for dark end-time atmosphere, I simply fell in love with it.
Resourrection: This is no Alien movie. It <i>can't</i> be. Alien movies are good.
Event Horizon: Apart from the maybe coolest spacecraft design in history, it's also got the probably most dense atmosphere in any sci-fi movie ever.
Aliens is the film that would get anyone in the mood to play NS, simply because both relate to each other so much..
Game scenarios:
A team of 6 marines, pushed back into a small dark hallway, hordes of aliens attacking them from every direction.. shooting everything in sight.
Film Scenarios:
When they are forced to retreat out at the first encounter, in the ventilation room.. (Classic scene <!--emo&:)--><img src="http://www.natural-selection.org/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':)'><!--endemo-->
The film relates so much its great to just sit and watch it, ofcourse this will only make you want NS even more so I don't advise it for the impatient! =]
Event Horizon is l33t! A ship that journeyed to h3ll and returned with d4mned spirited onboard, harrasing the would-be rescue team! A sleeper classic. Sphere; the book is better than the movie, obviously, but the movie is still awesome! Paranoia and fear run deep as the crew is assaulted by an unknown alien being who starts out friendly, but becomes increasingly hostile. The Thing! See it! Paranoia and isolation are the key themes of this piece as a group of Antarctic workers are stranded alone with themselves, and the thing! BTW, MacReady, Kurt Russell's character WAS infected. The thing hates to be in direct compition with other things, and that wasn't his blood he tested, it was Childes', the only one in the group IMMUNE to the alien infection. That's right, I said IMMUNE.
Dunno about that one, in the commentary Kurt Russel and John Carpenter are discussing the movie and they said themselves that they don't know if Russel or the other survivor are infected, and they also never even decided if the person who was infected would even KNOW he is.
Resident Evil was a good movie with a NS feel to it. The hopelessness of the survivors I mean. I don't know what other people were talking about, it seems like nobody liked it, I think they were just trying to be trendy or different, kind of like the people that have Warcraft3 just "because".
I just got done watching the DVD, I'm not big on criticizing movies. If they entertain me, I like them. Although the licker was down right the most horrific special effects I've EVER seen, the Rancor in Return of the Jedi looked more impressive than that. And they could've done without the karate(You've gotta love with this post matrix world we're living in.) I've completely lost respect for Milla Jovovich though, she downs Half-Life in the commentary. <!--emo&:angry:--><img src="http://www.natural-selection.org/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/mad.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':angry:'><!--endemo-->
I liked the licker, you must have ruined the movie for yourself by being over critical, secondly just becasue a movie has martial arts and camera effects dosen't make it a matrix rip off, believe it or not both of those movie elements existed before the matrix. And when does milla bring down HL? Also Halflife deserves to be talked down it has so many glitches that should have been stomped out long ago, for example: 2 snipers shoot at the near same time whichever sniper gets hit first will die and his bullet will disapear out of thin air and somehow never hit the other sniper.
Uh? I said I enjoyed the movie, but anyone who doesn't think the licker was poorly done is probably blind, or just lying to themselves. Yes, martial arts was in movies before the Matrix, but unless we're hong kong there were very few gravity defying drop kicks, and come on it's a zombie movie that mostly relys on atmosphere, did the karate honestly add anything? Hate to break it to you but they weren't debating over snipers(since when were there snipers in half-life?), she was complaining because you could kill the scientist who were supposed to be your comrades, saying it gave kids the wrong message.
When did she say that? I thought you meant during the movie. Explain to me how the licker was bad? Specifically. And I wouldn't have enjoyed the movie if it was simply a "zombie movie" as you said it. It was about alot more than zombies. Also Milla is a highly trained agent assigned to guard that mansion and the lab below at all costs, did you expect her to be good at cooking and cleaning? Most U.S. special forces are trained in martial arts. It is an important combat skill, I didn't see it as out of place at all.
It was in the DVD commentary with Milla Jovovich, the Paul Anderson, a producer, and Michelle Rodriguez. The licker looked like a cartoon in a real world enviroment, it almost looked like they took the model right from the game and placed it in a real enviroment. They could have put a guy in a suit, or just showed very little of an electronic puppet and made it look more impressive, or at least not showed you so much of the CG licker. I don't know, it just looked goofy.
[Edit: Paul Anderson and Wes Anderson aren't the same people, my bad <!--emo&;)--><img src="http://www.natural-selection.org/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=';)'><!--endemo--> ]
I didn't notice....It looked good to me. They obviously put alot of effort into it if you watch the DVD special stuff, they had 2 animatronics and alot of CGI work. I am just not too critical of movies I watch, I watch them to enjoy them, sometimes it seems like people search for flaws if they aren't clear....And you are forgetting the most important element of the movie, the plot. And I think RE had a very good plot, it fit neatly into the RE story line.
Warning, slightly off topic: Two words. Fight. Club. (yeah, nothing to do with aliens and so, I know)
More on topic: The Thing! That film is really ace, the atmosphere of paranoia was what really hooked me. It's not really very NS like, but what the hell.
Event Horizen sounds interesting but I havent seen it, thats on my to do list. Anyway how does a ship get possesed? And how can a ship fly into hell? And how can someone get depressurised and turned inside-out but still survive? (Or so I have heard.) That must be <i>really</i> inconvienient.
Anyway, Fight Club. See it, the best film ever, even if the first few minutes make you say What The F***?
[Edit: One sentence didn't make that much sence, well even less than the rest.]
<!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td><b>Quote</b> </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"><!--QuoteEBegin-->since when were there snipers in half-life?), <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> there are snipers in HL, replay the part with all the tripmines, once you set one off the whole buildin explodes, well your screen turns white anyway....remember that barney crawling on the floor begging for help?
I sometimes wonder how many people have played the greatest game ever <!--emo&:p--><img src="http://www.natural-selection.org/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':p'><!--endemo--> I can't count how many times I've heard "There were no snipers in HL" or "There were no grenades in HL"
Okay, maybe there was a sniper scene in Half-Life, when you haven't played a game completely through in 4 years you tend to forget little details about it, and I don't think you and Longtooth are even talking about the same thing.
Anyway, films to get you in the mood..hmm most of them have been mentioned already, but I'd say Aliens (obviously..),The Thing (Classy movie..), Pitch Black (under-rated I thought), definitely Starship Troopers ( cheesy in places I know, and completely OTT but I think it's supposed to be..you should have a look at the book. It bears very little resemblance to the film..quite thought-provoking in places imo..)
Predator, possibly The Matrix , just for the general gun-craziness of it all..
aliens and starship trooper are good for the adrenaline , but the original alien film , event horizon and maybe even predator are great for the atmosphere , never knowing whats around the corner <!--emo&:)--><img src="http://www.natural-selection.org/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':)'><!--endemo-->
a good alieny book to read for those of us who are semi literate ;] Legacy of Heorot by Larry Niven , a good book <!--emo&:)--><img src="http://www.natural-selection.org/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':)'><!--endemo-->
As for a good marine movie, it may not have aliens but It will get you in a action mood, XXX, I loved that movie, finally a action star that has a real car, not any of that euro-trash super cars Bond drives, He drvies an all American Pontiac GTO, late 60's by the look of it. I think it was the best action movie in a long time, non-stop action.
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Aliens - Probably the best of its type. The inspiration for some parts of NS, at the very least.
Pitch Black - Very good underground sci-fi film, and excellent for the limited budget it was shot with. And there are sequels coming.
Blade Runner - Amazing architecture and excellent soundtrack, with a good story to boot.
Titan A.E. - Animated and a little cheesy, but still an okay movie.
A.I. Artificial Intelligence - Very good look at futuristic architecture and design.
Full Metal Jacket - A look at how a squad of marines should work, I guess.
2001: A Space Oddysey - One of the greatest movies ever, a wierd look at space travel in the 'future.'
Final Fantasy - Also animated, and a bit lacking at times, but still a good couple of hours.
Spaceballs - Because you need laughter.
Event Horizon - The scariest look at space travel to date.
Well I'm not even saying the reasons I said are valid reasons for it to not have fought back, I'm just saying I figure that's what they wanted us to assume. I think the director realized he couldn't make the alien fight back and not make it look stupid or unneccesary, and I agree with that decision(can you imagine how stupid the alien would look punching?). Besides, if his wife did some how see a glimpse into things to come moments before she died I don't think she would have told Merril to "swing away" if that would result in him getting his ### kicked in the process.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
well ya....I do agree that it would look stupid for the alien to go matrix style. But it's also just ridiculous for it to just stand there and get reamed. It was standing for like EIGHT whacks of the bat before it fell down, and all that time it didn't do anything. It could have at least lunged at merril and scratch him a bit with its remaining claws, maybe make an attempt with the poison gas.
I mean if that was the big scary alien menace that made the world hide under their beds.....
jeese, we could have taken them all on with a board with a nail in it.
The book for sphere scarred the #### out of me too, its amazing. Make sure you read the book before watching the movie
Predator is my favorite movie of all time. Its not too cheesy, and it is pretty entertaining for an 80's action flick, and John Mcteirnan directed it. Nuff said.
Another good movie to see for some NS action would be The THING! Yeah, that movie is SICKLY gross, but if you can handle the nasty effects, its one of the best sci fi movies ever!
Now, for NS - mood movies:
Alien (1): Surely one of the best sci-fi movies of all time, and especially appealing to me because of the lovercraftian influences that were dropped in part 2. Unfortunately, all really great scenes have been so often plagiated by now that you won't really be suprised if you're watching it first time.
Aliens (2): A truly great film that miracolously manages to combine action and story.
Alien 3: My personal favorite. Back are the lovecraftian aspects, and as I'm a sucker for dark end-time atmosphere, I simply fell in love with it.
Resourrection: This is no Alien movie. It <i>can't</i> be. Alien movies are good.
Event Horizon: Apart from the maybe coolest spacecraft design in history, it's also got the probably most dense atmosphere in any sci-fi movie ever.
Game scenarios:
A team of 6 marines, pushed back into a small dark hallway, hordes of aliens attacking them from every direction.. shooting everything in sight.
Film Scenarios:
When they are forced to retreat out at the first encounter, in the ventilation room.. (Classic scene <!--emo&:)--><img src="http://www.natural-selection.org/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':)'><!--endemo-->
The film relates so much its great to just sit and watch it, ofcourse this will only make you want NS even more so I don't advise it for the impatient! =]
Rafe
[Edit: Paul Anderson and Wes Anderson aren't the same people, my bad <!--emo&;)--><img src="http://www.natural-selection.org/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=';)'><!--endemo--> ]
More on topic: The Thing! That film is really ace, the atmosphere of paranoia was what really hooked me. It's not really very NS like, but what the hell.
Event Horizen sounds interesting but I havent seen it, thats on my to do list. Anyway how does a ship get possesed?
And how can a ship fly into hell? And how can someone get depressurised and turned inside-out but still survive? (Or so I have heard.) That must be <i>really</i> inconvienient.
Anyway, Fight Club. See it, the best film ever, even if the first few minutes make you say What The F***?
[Edit: One sentence didn't make that much sence, well even less than the rest.]
there are snipers in HL, replay the part with all the tripmines, once you set one off the whole buildin explodes, well your screen turns white anyway....remember that barney crawling on the floor begging for help?
Me new around here..
Anyway, films to get you in the mood..hmm most of them have been mentioned already, but I'd say Aliens (obviously..),The Thing (Classy movie..), Pitch Black (under-rated I thought), definitely Starship Troopers ( cheesy in places I know, and completely OTT but I think it's supposed to be..you should have a look at the book. It bears very little resemblance to the film..quite thought-provoking in places imo..)
Predator, possibly The Matrix , just for the general gun-craziness of it all..
Anyway, back if I think of any more..
a good alieny book to read for those of us who are semi literate ;] Legacy of Heorot by Larry Niven , a good book <!--emo&:)--><img src="http://www.natural-selection.org/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':)'><!--endemo-->
It will get you in a action mood, XXX, I loved that movie, finally a action star that has a real car, not any of that euro-trash super cars Bond drives, He drvies an all American Pontiac GTO, late 60's by the look of it. I think it was the best action movie in a long time, non-stop action.