<!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->It has an even greater use in cloaking rooms full of OCs and confuses inexperienced marines who would say "No RT in here." without even noting that there's no puffy nano smoke coming from the vent. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
And that's the problem with sensory. It demands that the marines be inexperienced. Once you go into a room with cloaked OCs, the element of surprise is gone. Then they can take down your OCs with ease. Or they crank their gamma and can see you much better when you're cloaked. Once they know you have sensory, they start on the obs farms.
Sensory doesn't help your combat effectiveness either. You'll probably get that first bite for free, but then you've lost your effectiveness. Armor 1 can negate that surprise attack.
I think that defense is the best first chamber. It allows for better breaking of the two hive lockdown. It makes one hive Fades more viable with regeneration. It's better against tech rushes. I don't mind MDS either, but DMS is easier for less experienced players.
What chamber do i think is best first? Well overall Movement Chambers are.
Now you want some resons:
1) Skulks are more combat efficent with celerity/silence. I personally know i can take on 2 or 3 more marines with one of these upgrades. 2) Early on in the game you dont want to have marines locking a hive, and celerity makes it easier to respond. 3) Now that its NS 2.01/2.0 for those who didnt upgrade, you REALLY want everyone on your team to build something, preferably 2-3 build chambers, the rest get rts, then you go about slaughtering mariens. Anyways Res Hoarding is a pretty big problem on the server i play on as EVERYONE wants to go Onos (Dont know why, personally until the marines have lvl 3 guns i dont like Tiny). But they wont go onos if there are no DCs. This gives them no excuse not to get a RT as lerks and fades are easy to get to if you, well, dont suck. And if you suck you shouldnt be going fade when you could have gotten a Hive. 4) When you get a new hive (usually in 10 min or less) the gorge(s) wont have res for chambers and everyone else wont gorge so you are still dealing with 1 chamber for a few minutes. Well thats no problem if the first is MCs cause when the marines rush your second hvie (and they will) you can get there fast if you died/near your original hive. 5) Silence is FUN! I love to follow marines around for a while before i chomp them. (I know not a good reason, but hey its still fun) 6) SCs are a no no except on the smallest maps like Eclipse or when your Kharaa team is good at skulking and you can all get scs around marine start/dual res nodes so that you can just terrorise the Marines. SOF is a great upgrade, phermones are jsut sad, and cloak is overrated. But you definatley dont want this chamber first if your team is of questionable skill. 7) DCs. Most people love em. Then whine when i build MCs first at the start of game and then are turned to my side after 1 or 2 games of solid wins. Regeneration is pointless for skulks most of the time (Though i find Celerity adn Regen is GREAT against HA). Redemption isnt needed unless your a Fade or greater, which you shouldnt have until a 2nd hive anyways since it costs 50 (10 to gorge, 40 for hive). And Carapace. Well. For Fades i agree its great if your a good fade player (ive seen someone fade and be fade for 45 minutes and get 72 kills with 3 deaths, ONE DEATH AS FADE!!! he thanks carapace) but for skulks you dont need it. you'll be lucky to get it back some times. Lerks and gorges are better with regen/redempt respectivley and well Onos is buff enough. Either Regen making you invulnerable to turrets dang near or Redempt to save your 100+ Res!
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SC will also help you out, with SoF you see them before they get close to your hive, with cloaking, you're almost sure to get atleast 1 shotgunner down <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif'><!--endemo-->
Ok... let me tell you this... if you knew that there was a chance a hurricane was coming... wouldn't you try to be prepared for the worst? Yes...
Now sensory, the marines have a 2 hive lockdown and YOU have sensory. Yay GJ sensory freaks... you just lost us the game <!--emo&;)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/wink.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink.gif'><!--endemo--> Say they have just ONE locked down... ok now basically the only upgrade you will use to take the 3rd hive back would be defense, Good job sensory freaks... you just made taking the hive back harder (slow oni, no adrenaline for lerks/gorges). Personally i would kick people for going sensory first without the ENTIRE alien team's consent. I have had people say "Hey how about sensory first?" the whole alien team said no... buuuuut guess what? he placed sensory.... guess what? marines got 2 hive lockdown... we lost... YAY GJ sensory freaks.
If you want sensory first, go make your own server called "noob rines required"... because that is all sensory is good for... end of discusion... end of debate, end of everything.
You see clans going sensory first? NO!!!! They prepare for the worst, thus they go DMS every time... if the 2 hive lockdown occurs, you always have the option to take out their res and win the res war and getting tons of regen onos.
PLZ no more sensory debates... plz plz plz NO MORE!!!!!!
The public opinon is... SENSORY STILL SUCKS... get with the program!
obviously, if you let them get a 2 hive lockdown THE GAME IS ALREADY LOST. Statements like this show an utter lack of understanding for the alien doctrine. Aliens win by containing or killing the marines.
Thing is - if you had had a sens chamber in the hive before they locked it down, IT WOULDNT GET LOCKED DOWN. You show nothing but raw ignorance in the ways of using cloak and how effective it is.
MDS - celerity / silence OWNS for skulks/lerks, and is frickin useful for gorges too. by the time anything bigger is in game hive #2 should be up, with the accompanying dc's. Then if your fades and onos dont pwn all and win sens should follow with hive #3.
S - quick win. this is for group camping there spawn, killing em as theyy leave base, then rushing in en mass and takin out ips/cc. max time for a game with sens first should be 15 mins or you will be in some trouble. I believe.
Munterman, i think id get along with you great. I agree with you totally. Glad to see im not the only person with an agressive alien playstyle (which you need when you go MC first) becaues sometimes, it seems that way.
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obviously, if you let them get a 2 hive lockdown THE GAME IS ALREADY LOST. Statements like this show an utter lack of understanding for the alien doctrine. Aliens win by containing or killing the marines.
Thing is - if you had had a sens chamber in the hive before they locked it down, IT WOULDNT GET LOCKED DOWN. You show nothing but raw ignorance in the ways of using cloak and how effective it is. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
<!--emo&???--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/confused.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='confused.gif'><!--endemo--> 2 hive lockdowns no longer mean you lose. I have seen tons of games where there was a 2 hive lock down and we came back... wanna know why? we went defense first. The reason you view the 2 hive lockdowns as a automatic loss MAY BE because you like senosry first? hrmmm something to get those wheels turning.
Ok, so the rines locked down 2 hives, with a few regen onos, you can sweep the map of all their res nodes, and continuously assault one or both hive rooms with onos, fades, lerks and other things.
MC first... god i love that to. Silence is golden, cerelity makes you live so much longer (faster you are... less shots they are landing), adrenaline makes lerks so happy and turn gorges into heal spray machines of DEATH!!!! <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif'><!--endemo-->
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And that's the problem with sensory. It demands that the marines be inexperienced. Once you go into a room with cloaked OCs, the element of surprise is gone. Then they can take down your OCs with ease. Or they crank their gamma and can see you much better when you're cloaked. Once they know you have sensory, they start on the obs farms.
Sensory doesn't help your combat effectiveness either. You'll probably get that first bite for free, but then you've lost your effectiveness. Armor 1 can negate that surprise attack.
I think that defense is the best first chamber. It allows for better breaking of the two hive lockdown. It makes one hive Fades more viable with regeneration. It's better against tech rushes. I don't mind MDS either, but DMS is easier for less experienced players.
Now you want some resons:
1) Skulks are more combat efficent with celerity/silence. I personally know i can take on 2 or 3 more marines with one of these upgrades.
2) Early on in the game you dont want to have marines locking a hive, and celerity makes it easier to respond.
3) Now that its NS 2.01/2.0 for those who didnt upgrade, you REALLY want everyone on your team to build something, preferably 2-3 build chambers, the rest get rts, then you go about slaughtering mariens. Anyways Res Hoarding is a pretty big problem on the server i play on as EVERYONE wants to go Onos (Dont know why, personally until the marines have lvl 3 guns i dont like Tiny). But they wont go onos if there are no DCs. This gives them no excuse not to get a RT as lerks and fades are easy to get to if you, well, dont suck. And if you suck you shouldnt be going fade when you could have gotten a Hive.
4) When you get a new hive (usually in 10 min or less) the gorge(s) wont have res for chambers and everyone else wont gorge so you are still dealing with 1 chamber for a few minutes. Well thats no problem if the first is MCs cause when the marines rush your second hvie (and they will) you can get there fast if you died/near your original hive.
5) Silence is FUN! I love to follow marines around for a while before i chomp them. (I know not a good reason, but hey its still fun)
6) SCs are a no no except on the smallest maps like Eclipse or when your Kharaa team is good at skulking and you can all get scs around marine start/dual res nodes so that you can just terrorise the Marines. SOF is a great upgrade, phermones are jsut sad, and cloak is overrated. But you definatley dont want this chamber first if your team is of questionable skill.
7) DCs. Most people love em. Then whine when i build MCs first at the start of game and then are turned to my side after 1 or 2 games of solid wins. Regeneration is pointless for skulks most of the time (Though i find Celerity adn Regen is GREAT against HA). Redemption isnt needed unless your a Fade or greater, which you shouldnt have until a 2nd hive anyways since it costs 50 (10 to gorge, 40 for hive). And Carapace. Well. For Fades i agree its great if your a good fade player (ive seen someone fade and be fade for 45 minutes and get 72 kills with 3 deaths, ONE DEATH AS FADE!!! he thanks carapace) but for skulks you dont need it. you'll be lucky to get it back some times. Lerks and gorges are better with regen/redempt respectivley and well Onos is buff enough. Either Regen making you invulnerable to turrets dang near or Redempt to save your 100+ Res!
Well tahts pretty much it. I g2g
-Red
There still is a debate about this?
Ok... let me tell you this... if you knew that there was a chance a hurricane was coming... wouldn't you try to be prepared for the worst? Yes...
Now sensory, the marines have a 2 hive lockdown and YOU have sensory. Yay GJ sensory freaks... you just lost us the game <!--emo&;)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/wink.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink.gif'><!--endemo--> Say they have just ONE locked down... ok now basically the only upgrade you will use to take the 3rd hive back would be defense, Good job sensory freaks... you just made taking the hive back harder (slow oni, no adrenaline for lerks/gorges). Personally i would kick people for going sensory first without the ENTIRE alien team's consent. I have had people say "Hey how about sensory first?" the whole alien team said no... buuuuut guess what? he placed sensory.... guess what? marines got 2 hive lockdown... we lost... YAY GJ sensory freaks.
If you want sensory first, go make your own server called "noob rines required"... because that is all sensory is good for... end of discusion... end of debate, end of everything.
You see clans going sensory first? NO!!!! They prepare for the worst, thus they go DMS every time... if the 2 hive lockdown occurs, you always have the option to take out their res and win the res war and getting tons of regen onos.
PLZ no more sensory debates... plz plz plz NO MORE!!!!!!
The public opinon is... SENSORY STILL SUCKS... get with the program!
obviously, if you let them get a 2 hive lockdown THE GAME IS ALREADY LOST. Statements like this show an utter lack of understanding for the alien doctrine. Aliens win by containing or killing the marines.
Thing is - if you had had a sens chamber in the hive before they locked it down, IT WOULDNT GET LOCKED DOWN. You show nothing but raw ignorance in the ways of using cloak and how effective it is.
let me explain -
MDS - celerity / silence OWNS for skulks/lerks, and is frickin useful for gorges too. by the time anything bigger is in game hive #2 should be up, with the accompanying dc's. Then if your fades and onos dont pwn all and win sens should follow with hive #3.
S - quick win. this is for group camping there spawn, killing em as theyy leave base, then rushing in en mass and takin out ips/cc. max time for a game with sens first should be 15 mins or you will be in some trouble. I believe.
-Red
obviously, if you let them get a 2 hive lockdown THE GAME IS ALREADY LOST. Statements like this show an utter lack of understanding for the alien doctrine. Aliens win by containing or killing the marines.
Thing is - if you had had a sens chamber in the hive before they locked it down, IT WOULDNT GET LOCKED DOWN. You show nothing but raw ignorance in the ways of using cloak and how effective it is. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
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2 hive lockdowns no longer mean you lose. I have seen tons of games where there was a 2 hive lock down and we came back... wanna know why? we went defense first. The reason you view the 2 hive lockdowns as a automatic loss MAY BE because you like senosry first? hrmmm something to get those wheels turning.
Ok, so the rines locked down 2 hives, with a few regen onos, you can sweep the map of all their res nodes, and continuously assault one or both hive rooms with onos, fades, lerks and other things.
MC first... god i love that to. Silence is golden, cerelity makes you live so much longer (faster you are... less shots they are landing), adrenaline makes lerks so happy and turn gorges into heal spray machines of DEATH!!!! <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif'><!--endemo-->
MDS and DMS are the orders of late...