Athlonxp 2700

Rotten_Flesh · September 2003

<div class="IPBDescription">Please help me with problems!</div> My old mobo/cpu died (1.1Ghz, Asus Mobo), so i got a AthlonXP 2700.

Whenever i play a game for a few minutes (especially NS), my computer freezes and i have to reboot by pressing reset.

I checked the CPU temp with a monitoring program, and it never went above 65 degrees celcius (die temp is at 85).

Anyone have any ideas? I just bought the CPU, Mobo and Ram monday.

zoddtheimmortal · September 2003

hmmm, it seems like a problem with ur ram, are you sure nothing else got fried? power supply, video card, etc? wat speed is your ram? wat bus speed is your mobo?

Rotten_Flesh · September 2003

I ran a program that checks the ram for errors (http://www.memtest86.com), and it didnt find any. Its a new mobo/cpu/ram.

Specs:

Athlon XP 2700
Gigazbyte K7 Triton Mobo
512 mb DDR Ram

Spooge · September 2003

We'll need to get a bit more specific. Where did you buy them from? Did you get a barbone system or did you install each piece yourself?

I can't find a Gigabyte K7 Triton anywhere. Are you sure that's the correct model name? And do you know what speed your RAM is?

<b>EDIT:</b> Ok, I might have found it. And DAMN! that's a nice board. Here's a link: <a href='http://www.newegg.com/app/viewproduct.asp?DEPA=1&submit=Go&description=Giga%2CByte%2C7NNXP' target='_blank'>Let us know if this is the model you have.</a> Then all we need to know is the RAM specs. Also, do you have 1 stick of 512 or multiple sticks. If you have more than 1, try using 1 at a time in different slots and look for changes in performance.

<b>EDIT 2:</b> What video card are you using? This mobo has an AGP Pro slot. Might be an issue.

Rotten_Flesh · September 2003

I bought the parts separately from a pc parts store and had them installed by a technician (who had an ad in newspaper).

Its a <a href='http://tw.giga-byte.com/MotherBoard/Products/Products_GA-7VT600.htm' target='_blank'>GigaByte K7 Triton (GA-7VT600)</a>

Its 1 stick and my Vid card is a GeForce 4 Ti 4200

I just updated all my drivers, ill test out ns when its done.

Spooge · September 2003

Hmm. Everything seems compatible to me. <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/confused.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='confused.gif'> If nobody here has an answer, try <a href='http://forum.pcmech.com/index.php' target='_blank'>the PC Mechanic Forums.</a> They're extra helpful and they have some real gurus patrolling everyday.

Zel · September 2003

am i the only one that thinks 85 celsius die temp is amazingly friggin hot? my athlon 1.2 runs at 31 C. I'm guessing your chip is overheating, because you installed the wrong heatsink or put the heatsink on kinda crooked.

Cereal_KillR · September 2003

definitely the die temperature. What is the heatsink you are using?

Sycophant · September 2003

</span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Rotten Flesh @ Sep 28 2003, 02:57 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>I bought the parts separately from a pc parts store and <b>had them installed by a technician</b> (who had an ad in newspaper).</td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'>
Is the technician who built the system compentent? In other words, is he trained, experienced and knowledgable, or is he just some guy who just plugs everything in and gives it back to you?

That high temperature is definitely a bit on the nuclear side. The reason I was asking about the technician is because many inexperienced techs will put <i>way</i> too much heatsink compound between the heatsink and the processor. Using too much will have the opposite effect - it will act as an insulator rather than a conductor, which in turn drives up the processor temperature because the heat has nowhere to go.

Rotten_Flesh · September 2003

He came to my house, i watched him install everything. Its using the original fan that came with cpu (others will void warranty <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/sad.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='sad.gif'> )

My case is really packed in.

I have 3 CD drives, and tons of wires everywhere. My old system overheated too, so i got an extra fan to suck air out of the case.

Fam · September 2003

Is the Athlon a Barton core? You will have problems if the mobo and the RAM dont run at high enough speeds (I had the same problem with a Athlon 2500 and a K7 Triton mobo (GA-7VA)).

Siberian_Dingo · September 2003

i have a an AMD XP 2600+ and my it usaly runs at 40 degrees celcius, 45 when under heavy prossesing. one thing that could be cusing it is the comp case. if there is not enoph air flow in and out of you comp there can be problems. personly i have a full tower with 2 fans and an impeller blowing out, and 2 fans blowing in. thats also with 4 hard drives.

get your self a nice large case.

Zel · September 2003

tie up all the wires with rubber bands and jam them out of the way in between cd drives or behind the drive cages, thatll open up the middle of the case, and then, if theres no fans attached to the case, just leave the sidepanel off so that the cpu fan can get fresh air. tell us the temps after that plz <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'>

fo_sheezy_my_neezy · September 2003

bah, I have the same problem, and it's my vid card. I just don't have the scrilla to buy a new one yet. Try making sure you leave vsync ON, and lower the resolution you play at. If this works, it's your vid card. I can play NS fine on 1600x1200 with vsync on, but games like C&C Generals or BF1942, I have to play at really low res (800x600 sometimes, 16-bit color).

Rotten_Flesh · September 2003

My screen res is at 800 x 600, i play all my games at that res.

Beast · September 2003

I think You should personally Switch to 1024x768. The GeForce 4 Ti is more than capable of supporting this resolution.

Ontopic though - check the heatsink fan is spinning fast enough, and that nothing is in the way of the airflow. Also, given you have 3 CD Rom sized drives, may be worth getting a drive bay fan, and also, perhaps a PCI fan for your graphics card.
Last but not least, check the fan blades of the heatsink fan are ok; they may be clogged with dust; same with other fans in your system.

Also, what kind of heatsink/fan is it? how big is it?

airyK · September 2003

what wattage is your psu? that could be a huge determing factor of constant shutoff's, you probaly want at least a 350 watt in your system to have enough juice to run your machine. i use a 400watt psu on my rig - 2500+ barton @2600+ speeds 400mhz bus , gffx 5900 - w/out a problem.

Rotten_Flesh · September 2003

my power source is 350 watts and i use 2 surge protectors for all my plugs.

Scythe · September 2003

/me huggles this thread for using celcius

Yeah, 85c is WAY too hot for your CPU to be running at. A healthy max is around 50c.

I would get this "Technician" to come back around and take a looksee at it. Get a few zippy ties and see what you can do about getting some better airflow into and out of the case and accross the CPU heatsink.

--Scythe--

Fina · September 2003

I've got an XP 2500+ overclocked to a 2800+ and it runs around 50c under load. You might be overheating.

I also had this strange problem a while back. Most new or graphically stressful games would crash my PC after about 5-10 minutes. I never could understand why until I looked inside my PC. The heatsink/fan on my GeForce4 had came undone and was hanging off the card. How this didn't damage the thing, I'll never know. I turned off the PC and removed the card. After it cooled down, I removed the old thermal crap tape stuff they previously had installed on the card. I put some new thermal grease on it, reattached the fan, and secured it better than it previously was. The fan used these little plastic push-in screws with fins to keep them in. The fins were either too small or had worn off. I used pliers to squeeze new fins on it. It's worked great ever since.

airyK · September 2003

remove the heatsink and check if its on backwards: yes some people actually do that. clean off the thermal pad and put on some new AC3 - 5-10 c difference just in the thermal compound change alone at least from my experience. note that taking off the thermal pad and putting on ac3 will void the processor's warranty.

Rotten_Flesh · September 2003

i didnt say it was runnung at 85 celcius, i said thats the die temp. it runs at 60 to 65 celcius.

airyK · September 2003

60 - 65c is rediculusy high, seriously. my barton 2500+ is oc'ed to 2600+ w/400mhz bus.. and my temps are between 38c - 49c underload. theres a problem believe me, 60 - 65c is not a good temp.

Rotten_Flesh · September 2003

i'll take my tower to the store where i bought the parts and have them check (tomorrow). when i get it back, ill post what they found (if anything) <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/confused.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='confused.gif'>

Owen1 · September 2003

</span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Rotten Flesh @ Sep 28 2003, 01:47 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> My old mobo/cpu died (1.1Ghz, Asus Mobo), so i got a AthlonXP 2700.

Whenever i play a game for a few minutes (especially NS), my computer freezes and i have to reboot by pressing reset.

I checked the CPU temp with a monitoring program, and it never went above 65 degrees celcius (die temp is at 85).

Anyone have any ideas? I just bought the CPU, Mobo and Ram monday.  </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> 
jesus thats 10 steps up from mine... but i still love my 1700 plus

Immacolata · September 2003

I think you should look at getting a more efficient fan. I'm running with 65 cpu temp at peaking, and on a hot month it can make my pc hang if I game. So I'm looking to get a better fan/heatsink combo. The Zalman 7000AlCU is the one I'm looking at. Also make sure your case is ventilated sufficiently well. Should take in air at the front by fan, and exhaust it by rear fan (in addition to the PSU fan) - at the very least.

Rotten_Flesh · October 2003

I took my pc to the store where i bought the parts and they checked it out and found nothing wrong. They suggested i do a format and re-install windows (which im doing).

They said that the temperature of the CPU isint a big deal, and can be looked at later.

Also, they said AthlonXP's run better on WindowsXP. Is this true? I'm currently running Windows 2000 Pro.

Zel · October 2003

that store doesnt kno crap, try to get your money back, or at least force them to awknowledge the heat problem.

now what do you mean by 85C is the die temp but not the cpu temp? im pretty sure die == cpu

Rotten_Flesh · October 2003

I did some checking on some website, and it said that the threshold (or die temp) before the CPU burns out is 85 celcius.

To get some second opinions (and i didnt know how many would respond to this thread), i posted the problems in a computer tech forum.

I use the username "Gamer" in that forum. The post before the last one by "Jamming" says otherwise about the WindowsXP optimization.

<a href='http://www.computercops.biz/postp27130.html#27130' target='_blank'>http://www.computercops.biz/postp27130.html#27130</a>

Morrik · October 2003

Okay, for all you nublets that want to check the temperature of your CPU:

1) Open up your computer.
2) Place your finger on the heatsink for 10 seconds
<ul>
<li>a) If you can keep your finger on the heatsink without it burning, you're in the clear.
<li>b) If you have to take your finger off because it is burning your flesh like no tomorrow, you're NOT in the clear.
</ul>

If option 2b happens, then you're going to have to get another heatsink and fan.

antifreeze · October 2003

AMD athlon xp 2GHz
Geforce 4 Ti4200 - Gainward Goldsample EXPER
768Meg DDR 2100
Asus A7S333 mobo
win2k SP4

My processor runs normally at about 60C, but my processor is permanantly maxed out <a href='http://www.appj76.dsl.pipex.com/processorusage.gif' target='_blank'>100% Usage</a>. When i drop the usage though it frops to about 55C. Higest its every reached was 73C then the mobo kicked in and did an emergency ShutDown. Ambient case temp is around 38 - 40C

2 more Questions...
What windows, and what service pack?
And who is your graphics card made by, and if its gainward is it goldsample?

Oh and would it be useful if i posted how to get the <a href='http://www.appj76.dsl.pipex.com/overclock.gif' target='_blank'>OverClock Settings</a> from the device settings menu for geforce, then he can underclock his graphics card and see what happens.

P.S. Pic was taken just after windows was loaded.

Athlonxp 2700

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