Steroids (legal Ones)

greyfox5greyfox5 Join Date: 2002-02-14 Member: 217Members
<div class="IPBDescription">Your views? And my stories.</div> I had recently gotten a pack of Creatin...and this stuff is wow. I take it in very light doses (im not a big fan of body altering substances) but...jeeze. On sunday workouts for football, I took a swig of the liquid kind, and worked my body till exaustion, and then some. Squated, parallel squated, dummy attack, 1 mile run (full pads with shoulder and thigh wheights, not on the workout but I did it anyways) Leg extensions-strip set, Leg curls-strip set, and a buncha interior groin/leg muscle buildup exercises. I took the Creatin again after the workout, and painfully drove home. I woke up this morning...and...my legs were not sore!!! I felt light as a feather, I could jump higher than I could before, I had a better feeling about what my body was doing at all times, expecially in the leg/shoulder areas. My legs felt like coiled springs! I am for one a supporter of Creatin, but only in small ammounts...some guys take the stuff WAY to much, and when they stop working out.... ehh saggin time.

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  • greyfox5greyfox5 Join Date: 2002-02-14 Member: 217Members
  • CommunistWithAGunCommunistWithAGun Local Propaganda Guy Join Date: 2003-04-30 Member: 15953Members
    I'm probably gonna offend you, but I had this discussion with a friend who used the same stuff. Ok. Athletics at its core has one meaning. The love of the game. NOT to win. I think its a spit in the face to athletics to alter yourself unnaturally to get the upperhand. Legal or not I see it as morally wrong, which you said you don't totally agree with it. I dislike the idea because it strips away the meaning for athletisism[/spelling]
  • Doug_the_HeadDoug_the_Head Join Date: 2003-03-26 Member: 14909Members
    But it <i>does</i> make you look better on the beach.


    And the reason most people play sports is for the love of the game, but the objective of said game is to win, so your argument doesnt make any sense.
  • RPG_JssmfulhudRPG_Jssmfulhud Join Date: 2002-11-02 Member: 4006Members
    As much as these things do 'good' things, they are still bad for your health. Even in small amounts. Why do you think that your legs hurt from a hard workout the next morning? Not for fun! The body reacts to the workout with forcing you to rest your legs. Now with these chemicals, you're overridding this mechanism.

    Imagine a car and it's machine. You can push it a bit. But only a bit. Push it some more and it'll fall apart. That's my view of these things.
  • CommunistWithAGunCommunistWithAGun Local Propaganda Guy Join Date: 2003-04-30 Member: 15953Members
    <!--QuoteBegin--Doug the Head+Oct 28 2003, 11:47 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Doug the Head @ Oct 28 2003, 11:47 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> But it <i>does</i> make you look better on the beach.


    And the reason most people play sports is for the love of the game, but the objective of said game is to win, so your argument doesnt make any sense. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    I think outside the fact people are obsessed with looks and winning at all costs. You shouldn't alter yourself unnaturally if you truly love the game. Thats my argument.
  • Doug_the_HeadDoug_the_Head Join Date: 2003-03-26 Member: 14909Members
    <!--QuoteBegin--RPG_Jssmfulhud+Oct 28 2003, 12:14 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (RPG_Jssmfulhud @ Oct 28 2003, 12:14 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> As much as these things do 'good' things, they are still bad for your health. Even in small amounts. Why do you think that your legs hurt from a hard workout the next morning? Not for fun! The body reacts to the workout with forcing you to rest your legs. Now with these chemicals, you're overridding this mechanism.

    Imagine a car and it's machine. You can push it a bit. But only a bit. Push it some more and it'll fall apart. That's my view of these things. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    Creatin is an enzyme that makes you muscles regenerate faster after working out, so it's not really bad for you, as long as you dont use it excessively.
  • SpoogeSpooge Thunderbolt missile in your cheerios Join Date: 2002-01-25 Member: 67Members
    From what I've found, there are conflicting reports regarding the long term effects of Creatin use. There is agreement regarding the effects of Creatin usage in combination with other supplements. Most information I've found strongly advises that you research the manufacturer of the supplement that you're ingesting because most supplements are not monitored by the FDA (here in the U.S.) and most recorded problems have arisen from "contaminants" introduced from their production. You should also research "healthy" dosage levels based on your age, size, and activity level.

    My advice would be: Everything in moderation and there are no shortcuts. The majority of supplements are derived from everyday food but are taken seperately as a way of avoiding the other elements found in those foods. Taking more than you would receive from those foods in a typical meal regiment would probably be unhealthy.
  • MenixMenix Join Date: 2003-09-13 Member: 20828Members
    That's great greyfox. Too many people have an irrational dislike of body enhancing drugs. If used properly they allow you to develop and function more efficiently, and I challenge anyone to say there is something wrong with that. It is indeed no different than eating healthier.

    Commie: You remind me of one of my middle school sports coaches who liked to end the game when both teams were tied so no one would lose. The thing is, everybody lost because the games became meaningless. Every activity needs a goal, you don't play rugby to run around with the ball, you play it to put the ball where it gives your team points (as is the case with most sports). Sports become meaningless if we ignore their scoring rules and just run around mindlessly not trying to achieve any goals.
  • MelatoninMelatonin Babbler Join Date: 2003-03-15 Member: 14551Members, Constellation
    edited October 2003
    im assuming this substance is not physically addictive.

    from the way you talk of it, you sound as if you should take care not to become mentally addicted.
    you should probably try to not get to the point where you take it for every workout. Or feel like your wasting you training time without it, or ever just prefer it [most of the time].
    when things like this happen, while your not physically addicted, you are for all intents and purposes just as addicted. and addiction is never usually a good thing.

    just be carefull and remember what Aristotle said (someone else brought this up too)
    "Moderation in all things".
  • CommunistWithAGunCommunistWithAGun Local Propaganda Guy Join Date: 2003-04-30 Member: 15953Members
    <!--QuoteBegin--Melatonin+Oct 28 2003, 02:40 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Melatonin @ Oct 28 2003, 02:40 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> im assuming this substance is not physically addictive.

    from the way you talk of it, you sound as if you should take care not to become mentally addicted.
    you should probably try to not get to the point where you take it for every workout. Or feel like your wasting you training time without it, or ever just prefer it [most of the time].
    when things like this happen, while your not physically addicted, you are for all intents and purposes just as addicted. and addiction is never usually a good thing.

    just be carefull and remember what Aristotle said (someone else brought this up too)
    "Moderation in all things". <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    Oh thats the catch. The substance itself may not be addictive. But the results ARE.
  • ParasiteParasite Join Date: 2002-04-13 Member: 431Members
    Personally, I would do a cycle if I thought it would help bulk me up muscle mass wise. But not in a competitive sence, I wouldnt do it to give me an advantage over others. But Im too lazy to work out anyway. <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif'><!--endemo--> and Im afraid of needles.
  • othellothell Join Date: 2002-11-02 Member: 4183Members, NS1 Playtester, Contributor
    Athletics ( i.e. Sports... which are competitions ), at its core is to win via your own personal ability. Love of the game is assumed to be part of that ( why would you do it if you did not like it? ). Taking supplements to help increase your ability should be considered wrong. It detracts from the very essence of any sport.

    If you use a supplement to make yourself stronger via unnatural means ( yes, natural supplements are unnatural in this context ) is, and always should be, wrong within any sport.
  • KageKage Join Date: 2002-11-01 Member: 2016Members
    My dad and uncle are world-level strength athletes, and they have taken Creatin. For a while, they took it regularly, but then experienced side effects (like excessive cramping) that have caused them to lay back on it. Since then, they haven't taken it as much.

    Steroids are naturally rampant in strength athletics. This is why my uncle prefers to compete in a league where drug tests are mandatory and enforced. My dad, however, competes in a different type of competition, where drug tests are a formality. This type of competition is more of a "made for TV" type, so disqualifying the major competitors would be detrimental to their purpose.

    There are risks associated with steroids and other performance enhancing chemicals that my dad and uncle would rather not take, so they stay away from them.

    Sorry, I think I might seem a little vague, but I'm trying not to expose myself too much.
  • greyfox5greyfox5 Join Date: 2002-02-14 Member: 217Members
    Im not taking the full dose, only half a dose before, half after. I still want to feel sore, its a good feeling. Also, the manufacturer is from the USA, and monitered by the FDA.
  • MenixMenix Join Date: 2003-09-13 Member: 20828Members
    <!--QuoteBegin--othell+Oct 28 2003, 10:12 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (othell @ Oct 28 2003, 10:12 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> If you use a supplement to make yourself stronger via unnatural means ( yes, natural supplements are unnatural in this context ) is, and always should be, wrong within any sport. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    Natural supplements are unnatural because they are administered after a refining process? So anything that's been processed is wrong to eat? Well, so much for canned chicken soup and cookies.

    The drugs allowed for the athletes should be up to the sports league.
  • absenticabsentic Join Date: 2003-09-03 Member: 20517Banned
    My opinion, having lifted weights for 7 years, is that sterioids **** you up royally. Stop using them.
  • othellothell Join Date: 2002-11-02 Member: 4183Members, NS1 Playtester, Contributor
    <!--QuoteBegin--Menix+Oct 30 2003, 12:45 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Menix @ Oct 30 2003, 12:45 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Natural supplements are unnatural because they are administered after a refining process? So anything that's been processed is wrong to eat? Well, so much for canned chicken soup and cookies.

    The drugs allowed for the athletes should be up to the sports league. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    Yes... Lets apply my words to something totally unrelated.

    Drugs should not be allowed in any sports. End of story.
  • absenticabsentic Join Date: 2003-09-03 Member: 20517Banned
    Please do whatever you want with your body; just don't come whining when your nuts shrink to the size of a peanut (fact), you lose your ability to have sex even though your craving multifolds (fact), you get tired (fact) and angry over the smallest things (fact) leading to a life of depression (fact) and to the destruction of your social life (fact).
  • greyfox5greyfox5 Join Date: 2002-02-14 Member: 217Members
    One of my team mates, has been taking Creatin ever since it hit the market. He has been getting half doses before and after workouts. He has none of those symptoms, and in fact, his high blood pressure, has gone away since he has been taking it. Mine is going away to, although slowly. (Its a trait that goes along in my family, I stay the hell away from salt, and no matter what I do, I have HBP)
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