Dont bring it out too early!

DekkerDekker Join Date: 2002-07-06 Member: 887Members
<div class="IPBDescription">I just don´t want it to die like others</div>i know many will flame me now, but anyhow, take your time to finish ns. look at crashes and on ping a lot, and so on, it has been a fault of many dev teams to bring it out as early as possible and then its buggly like hell. It happened to dod (2.0 only 8 players per server, more would lag like hell (meaning ping of 700) or even crash) and i just don´t want to have that. It also happene in Dc, and it lost much comunity. And to be telling, flf 1.1 had 150 servers, all full. but with version 1.2 (it was that buggy and unstable) many lost interest in it and left. Today it is getting more populated again, but there are only 50 servers with 100 players. so please take your time!!!

and to the people who wait for the game:
-please dont flame me, i think it is best to say that. i also cant wait to play, but i think it is better having a good game without lags and crashes and that stuff, than a good game with lag and crashes.

do me stickey so the devs read it <!--emo&:)--><img src="http://www.natural-selection.org/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':)'><!--endemo-->
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  • SentrySteveSentrySteve .txt Join Date: 2002-03-09 Member: 290Members, Constellation
    Dont worry about <i>any</i> of that!  This dev team is not like the DC dev team.  When NS is released it will be a extremely high quality mod.  All your worries can be put to rest <!--emo&:)--><img src="http://www.natural-selection.org/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':)'><!--endemo-->

    Also - the devs/PTs read through these forums and if you are looking for a responce from a dev/PT there is no need to sticky it!  Not to mention some fourm mods get angry when people tell them what to do.  IE - 'mods, lock this'

    Flame you?  No one here flames!  Welcome to NS!
  • RamsesRamses Join Date: 2002-05-21 Member: 642Members
    I agree with you. But it's impossible to find ALL bugs, something you'll always overlook. But I'm sure that NS is already more stable than many retail-products out there...
  • EosEos Join Date: 2002-06-08 Member: 738Members
    <!--QuoteBegin--Ramses+Aug. 30 2002,04:32--></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td><b>Quote</b> (Ramses @ Aug. 30 2002,04:32)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"><!--QuoteEBegin-->I agree with you. But it's impossible to find ALL bugs, something you'll always overlook. But I'm sure that NS is already more stable than many retail-products out there...<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    I can relate to that! <!--emo&;)--><img src="http://www.natural-selection.org/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=';)'><!--endemo-->
  • GreedoGreedo Bounty Hunter Join Date: 2002-01-24 Member: 37Members, NS1 Playtester, Contributor
    The NS team is highly competent, and they will, to the best of their ability, make NS as near perfect at release as they possibly can.
  • DekkerDekker Join Date: 2002-07-06 Member: 887Members
    i didn´t mean that the team is not competive and not to find ALL bugs, but majors things like crashes and so should be away. btw, you are not a playtester so how do you know that it is more stbale than some other retail games <!--emo&:)--><img src="http://www.natural-selection.org/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':)'><!--endemo-->. just remind unreal, its netcode had to be fis because tha canadiean telephon system is the most stable in the whole wolrd so others lagged like hell iwth unreal <!--emo&:)--><img src="http://www.natural-selection.org/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':)'><!--endemo-->
  • Snake13Snake13 Join Date: 2002-04-30 Member: 554Members
    I agree but what are you talking about dod2.0? It absolutely ruled and the server-base like trippled
  • Nemesis_ZeroNemesis_Zero Old European Join Date: 2002-01-25 Member: 75Members, Retired Developer, NS1 Playtester, Constellation
    I can verfy that he's PTing; if not him, which other Greedo sends my backside to hell on a regular base?

    Anyway, I think everyone really appreciates your post because it hits the nail perfectly: Take your time and produce a good game.
    I however believe that a somewhat 'pressing' community can be healthy from time to time - nobody wants this to become another 'Daikatana'.



    <!--EDIT|Nemesis Zero|Aug. 30 2002,19:26-->
  • LongtoothLongtooth Join Date: 2002-07-02 Member: 863Members
    I hate threads like this...At this point I hate any thread regarding the release...It has all been done before...Many of them seem far too atention hungry for my taste...
  • SentrySteveSentrySteve .txt Join Date: 2002-03-09 Member: 290Members, Constellation
    Counlnt agree more - I was going to post something like this but I feel I have been too negitive latly and went down 'lets be nice' road for this thread.
  • BattousaixBattousaix Join Date: 2002-06-25 Member: 822Members
    we are all sick about this kind of threads, but they can post em anyways, u just gotta believe ns will be out nextday everyday <!--emo&:p--><img src="http://www.natural-selection.org/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':p'><!--endemo-->......... that kept me alive all this time........

    oh, back to topic....
    u dont have to worry about that dekker, flayra = polisher fanatic <!--emo&:D--><img src="http://www.natural-selection.org/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':D'><!--endemo-->
  • SonnyG007SonnyG007 Join Date: 2002-08-07 Member: 1092Members
    Ohh please don't let it be like Existence. I waited so long for that mod to come out just as I'm doing now for NS. It had amazing grafixs, awesome gameplay, but terrible bugs killed the mod. If it takes till December to finish NS then do it.
  • Ghetto_RiceGhetto_Rice Join Date: 2002-07-01 Member: 854Members
    I agree with u guys about these kinds of threads peaving u off but they just wont stop. Its good to see new people comming to the community and not carring about when its released as long as its of high quality which Flyra and team will do. As far as I care let more of these topics come and let the new people understand the situation and how great the dev team is.


    And on a completly unrelated note I havent seen an RC pic or news of one in a while  <!--emo&:)--><img src="http://www.natural-selection.org/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':)'><!--endemo-->  <!--emo&:)--><img src="http://www.natural-selection.org/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':)'><!--endemo-->  <!--emo&:)--><img src="http://www.natural-selection.org/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':)'><!--endemo-->  <!--emo&:)--><img src="http://www.natural-selection.org/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':)'><!--endemo-->
  • bluemanblueman Join Date: 2002-04-09 Member: 399Members
    <!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td><b>Quote</b> </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"><!--QuoteEBegin-->Ohh please don't let it be like Existence<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->

    Existence's gameplay was wut killed it IMO. I think that the NS team will release the best HL mod till date. NS is such a good map, code, models union that it doesnt look as HL at all right now. It could be a total new game and i know many pple (as me) would buy it. So just wait till NS comes out, and you know when it will be released...When its done.
  • DekkerDekker Join Date: 2002-07-06 Member: 887Members
    [QUOTEIts good to see new people comming to the community [\QUOTE]

    I am follwing Ns since Februar 2001, so i am not new to ns, i just wasnt registered in the forum tho <!--emo&:)--><img src="http://www.natural-selection.org/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':)'><!--endemo-->
  • Ghetto_RiceGhetto_Rice Join Date: 2002-07-01 Member: 854Members
    Yea well its just good to see new people talking on the forums and letting their views being known and giving reasurance to the devs that we all belive in them and their fantastic mod/ ideas.
  • JediYoshiJediYoshi The Cupcake Boss Join Date: 2002-05-27 Member: 674Members
    Lol, exactly the same case with <a href="http://www.planethalfife.com/varoom" target="_blank">Varoom</a>. So buggy...
  • RenegadeRenegade Old school Join Date: 2002-03-29 Member: 361Members
    It's all about the production value and how you make sure a game is very high quality before releasing it. Something I learned from working on MoH:AA.
  • MrPinkMrPink Join Date: 2002-05-28 Member: 678Members
    I disagree with you, not because I am impatient or a whiny person, but because Half Life is getting old.  It is losing people daily because it has just been out so long.  Every day the release is delayed, potential players are lost.
  • Rico1Rico1 NS Oldtimer Join Date: 2002-05-24 Member: 664Members
    And new ones are gained also. You may not know it but most people who try HL out these days try it because it has very low system requirements, also because they can get many mods for free and has a great replayability value. Mostly because not everyone like some people think can afford a P4 2.0 ghz computer with a geforce 4 and a T1 line.

    HL is here to stay for at the very least i predict, 2 more years. CS condition zero may take away a few CS players, but heck, who cares about those people anyway  <!--emo&:D--><img src="http://www.natural-selection.org/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':D'><!--endemo--> (joking)

    So no, i dont think NS will lose players due to the wait, it has gained hundreds of fans since it started and that was 2 years ago, we have a lot of people registered here on the forums that follow development avidly and we arent about to lose them just because they had to wait a few more weeks.
  • BillBill Join Date: 2002-08-08 Member: 1108Members
    <!--QuoteBegin--Scarface121+Aug. 31 2002,20:14--></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td><b>Quote</b> (Scarface121 @ Aug. 31 2002,20:14)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"><!--QuoteEBegin-->I disagree with you, not because I am impatient or a whiny person, but because Half Life is getting old.  It is losing people daily because it has just been out so long.  Every day the release is delayed, potential players are lost.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    Half Life is NOT losing players, if anything it's gaining them.    Do you realize that for Counter-Strike there are over 1000 servers playing dust right now?   That's more servers for ONE map on ONE mod than some retail games have right now.  Yea it is old, but amazingly games like Half-Life rally and Natural Selection(especially)  are proving that limits can be pushed.  Yea it lacks some of the graphic capabilities of newer engines, but honestly for a game this old the Mods coming out still look amazingly good.

    Even if players were being lost daily, it's better to lose a few daily than an entire community by releasing a bug ridden game that doesn't nearly meet its full potential.  Give them time, if Natural Selection plays half as good as it looks then maybe some of those people you say are quiting HL will come back, and then some.
  • LongtoothLongtooth Join Date: 2002-07-02 Member: 863Members
    I prefer MOD's that have open BETA tests,  Sure you don't get to play the perfect version,  but look at NS,  the playtesters aren't playing a perfect game and they still love it...This is all probably from me being mad at Existence for being so mind boggling illogical it makes blood come out of my ears just thinking about it......I need something else to play,  does anyone know of any other MODs?  Aside from the mainstream ones of course.
  • TraneTrane Join Date: 2002-02-01 Member: 148Members
    But the thing is, when you have an open beta the mod becomes open to critism.  And even though they are saying its not their finished product people are alienated to a project in general which has bugs and such.  People hear that its buggy and dont even bother with the finished product.  There are lots of good reasons to avoid open betas. Sure it would be funner for us fanatics but it would have a negative effect in the long run.
  • VyvnVyvn Join Date: 2002-08-24 Member: 1226Members
    <!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td><b>Quote</b> </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"><!--QuoteEBegin-->Do you realize that for Counter-Strike there are over 1000 servers playing dust right now?   That's more servers for ONE map on ONE mod than some retail games have right now.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->

    1000? Last I checked it was over 3000 most of the day  <!--emo&:0--><img src="http://www.natural-selection.org/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wow.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':0'><!--endemo--> . I'll grant you, the one good thing that CS has done for the HL community is to bring in many, many more people who may well have never even heard of HL otherwise.

    I'm not referring to myself, of course, heh heh... *cough*
  • ZcaliberZcaliber Join Date: 2002-01-26 Member: 93Members
    Actually... when Existence came out I thought it was kinda innovative...

    Sure, you died when you spawned, sure sometimes the Hardline got switched around, sure the elevator almost always ment certain doom.

    However, I still loved it! The dying at spawn gave a few people high power, while the rest were kinda the 'Backup'. The hardline switching always kept you guessing. The elevator was of course, a gamble, but the trade off was a free ticket to Dr. white that is'nt heavily guarded because everyone got used to seeing just dead bodies in the elevator.

    It was amazing... and I can honestly say I liked the first version of existence better than the latest. =\

    Stupid XM4...
  • Silver_FoxSilver_Fox Spammer Join Date: 2002-01-24 Member: 34Members, NS1 Playtester, Contributor
    I stopped playing CS because of people accusing me of being a cheater, same with FLF, FA, DOD, AHL, EX, TFC, GW ... the list goes on and on ... hell - even a few days ago someone accused me of cheating in BF1942!

    -_-

    /me mummbles something about derailing a post and walks off
  • ZcaliberZcaliber Join Date: 2002-01-26 Member: 93Members
    Silver Fox is cheating on the Forums! Look at that post count! H4x! Ch34ter! /ban

    heh, Just kidding. ^^;;
  • FlickFlick Join Date: 2002-08-11 Member: 1137Members
    The nifty thing about NS is that cheating wont really help you too much anyway. I mean if your a  marine.. and you get charged by a level 5 shooting it in the had all the time isnt really going to help you much since thats what most will hit anyway(assuming your infront  of it) aliens have their  hive site, granted they (they being the Marines) have to been seen by at least one alien but still, it wont give them to much of an advange, say your a level 1 on the roof  and you've got your tricked out half life h4x0r program running and what not, sure you may see him coming through the passage way sooner, but you'd probly hear him anyway or his buddies or some other alien  will have seen them. So even if someone did hack, they'd at least have less of an advantage then they would in other mods.
  • h2oh2o Join Date: 2002-08-07 Member: 1098Members
    im just so hyped for this mod, ive gotten tired of playing cs,dod,fa,tod, i actually turned to q3 mods! yuck!
    i think they should take their time but my god im so anxious D: help meeeeeeeeeeeee!!!!!
  • Rico1Rico1 NS Oldtimer Join Date: 2002-05-24 Member: 664Members
    Heh Silverfox, you played GW? I dont recall ever seeing you there. I used to lead one of the top GW clans, good old US-DF, maybe you hard about us way back then. Heh, we even had us a good war against some stupid cheating clan in GW called MHX... imagine how humiliating it must have been for them to lose against a legit clan in a match  <!--emo&:D--><img src="http://www.natural-selection.org/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':D'><!--endemo-->


    Anyways, it got boring after a while so bleh... we quit...


    Oh, and just for the people who dont know, in NS there are NO headshots. STC of course, but i doubt itl change soon anyways.
  • the_stalkerthe_stalker Join Date: 2002-01-25 Member: 49Members
    <!--QuoteBegin--SentrySteve+Aug. 30 2002,18:31--></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td><b>Quote</b> (SentrySteve @ Aug. 30 2002,18:31)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"><!--QuoteEBegin-->Dont worry about <i>any</i> of that!  This dev team is not like the DC dev team.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    DC Dev team?
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