<!--QuoteBegin--Rennex+Oct 30 2003, 04:59 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Rennex @ Oct 30 2003, 04:59 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Blue's opinions represent those of dn as a whole perfectly - if he says it, we agree. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> :o
the clan scene is experiencing tough times that is for sure...
eR has been around since 1.0 and is a vet clan. cri and ham are the only other remaining active vet clans (aside from hybrid and fwd, our foreign friends). to say that vet clans are somehow responsible for wiping out these newer clans is pretty absurd.
<span style='color:yellow'>have you tried playing the same clans week after week?</span>
if a clan dies it is probably from boredom and repetition. we scrim 2 or more times a night, and there are not more then 10 clans who actually scrim 7 times per week. (er, ir, cri, e, ham, dn, and a few others). You play these same clans, or whatever clan is alive that week, day after day and you’ll soon find out why there are few lasting clans. most recently we lost pandas to halo, adding to the long list.
and claiming that losing to a clan that acts immature, makes you quit? so you lose one scrim and find one clan you dont want to play, does this mean its time to quit totally? to lose all faith in humanity and the community? If you believe this you may as well just quit ns (and life). Let me tell you something, things will not improve if you give up after having one bad experience, instead of disbanding your clan, making a drama fest and posting on these fourms, why not just not play certain clans? talk to the leader? try and work things out? or maybe dont take it SO DAM PERSONALY, eventually you will be a better team then them, you will beat them, but not if you quit. the clan insulting you has survived the tests of time: they may not have been dignified in their survival, but they have survived what you are ready to quit after.
Is the solution to change he 'bad' clans? to make them fair and just? or should you use some will-power to walk away from those bad experiences, and continue to stay alive? Oh wait that would require work...but if you do walk away from it, then you will out last them, and you will own. That is how I see it, and iv noticed the same thing in real life, usually you can solve these things by being the bigger person and not letting people get to you.
You're missing the point, Lux. It's not the work that's off-putting, that much should be obvious - it's going to be a lot of work to even really start getting occasional ties on the top5. It's that some of these new clans play a couple scrims with jackasses and go "what's the flipping point?" Then they all go buy CoD (or whatever) and form a clan there.
In other words, it's not worth getting good if you're just going to earn the derisive pseudo-respect of a bunch of ****. :/ The equivalent in real life is choosing not to associate with a ****. It's not as if I've somehow granted victory to an abrasive, childish person if I don't hang out with him, is it?
<!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> and claiming that losing to a clan that acts immature, makes you quit? so you lose one scrim and find one clan you dont want to play, does this mean its time to quit totally? to lose all faith in humanity and the community? If you believe this you may as well just quit ns (and life). <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Couple things Lux, first off why do they need to be asshats to begin with? why not just shake hands and go back to he locker room? Why make people hate you? it's NS, not pro wrestling. Secondly I don't know a single professional NS player thus we are doing this for fun... If the fun is removed from the game, WHY THE HELL WOULD YOU PLAY?
A single loss in a scrim is nothing to be upset over, however having a team get you to play on a laggy server and talk smack when you decide to leave and say how they "pwned" you, even though the match was unplayable is... what is the word.. oh thats right cockish. And that kind of activity goes on daily in the match play scene.
<!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> the clan insulting you has survived the tests of time: they may not have been dignified in their survival, but they have survived what you are ready to quit after. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
FFT = day 1 NS clan kthxpai, we have been doing this for a year here in a few days. We didn't play in clan play for the EXACT reasons the poo is hitting the fan in the NS comunity right now. We come to play NS, a lot of clans come to play a game of whos config beats whos... I don't play that game [FFT] doesn't play that game, if thats what you want to play challenge another clan. We play because its fun... when you rob the game of its fun it's not worth playing.
<!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Is the solution to change *t*he 'bad' clans? to make them fair and just? or should you use some will-power to walk away from those bad experiences, and continue to stay alive? Oh wait that would require work...but if you do walk away from it, then you will out last them, and you will own. That is how I see it, and iv noticed the same thing in real life, usually you can solve these things by being the bigger person and not letting people get to you. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Well firstly thats like converting the devil to christianity, so the changing option is out, they are bastids thats not going to change. Secondly I am all about a good **** whoopin if two even teams play a match out and 1 teams wins due to better stratagy, or better skill, or just plain luck, I am all for that. But when one team starts with an HMG and the other team has a knife, unless your are Anticamp you are screwed. So again I am all about clan level NS, I am against playing some perversion of NS versus my vanilla NS, your statagy may not be better, you may not be a better player, but because you know how to cheat better than I do, you win... its not right... but what do I know I am in some sub .500 CAL team and, I am but a lowly playtester.
Lux, I understand that you are not totally disagreeing with me nor are you trying to be rude to me, but asking me to look at the clan scene and think that it's ok is something I cant do, I wish, WHOLE HEARTEDLY that ns would be fun again... but only time will tell, frankly I am not holding my breath... So to the pub with me, I will only play League NS if I have to.
<!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> That is how I see it, and iv noticed the same thing in real life, usually you can solve these things by being the bigger person and not letting people get to you. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
True dat, but its just sad that you should have to be bigger than so many people, thats just ghetto.
On a quick note, I don't own anyone, I exceed the own/pwn age limit, I outplay people now.
Enough for one day
SM5
PS: Lucid I am glad to see you are taking care of the doods... unless you were being a sacrcastic little... naw, you are a leader in the NS clan scene you wouldn't need to be like that...
<!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->We come to play NS, a lot of clans come to play a game of whos config beats whos... I don't play that game [FFT] doesn't play that game, if thats what you want to play challenge another clan. We play because its fun... when you rob the game of its fun it's not worth playing. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
HAMBoneProbably the best CommanderJoin Date: 2003-04-02Member: 15139Members, NS1 Playtester, Contributor
<!--QuoteBegin--[SiD]Squishy+Oct 30 2003, 09:01 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> ([SiD]Squishy @ Oct 30 2003, 09:01 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->We come to play NS, a lot of clans come to play a game of whos config beats whos... I don't play that game [FFT] doesn't play that game, if thats what you want to play challenge another clan. We play because its fun... when you rob the game of its fun it's not worth playing. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
all this cfg stuff is pure ****............ <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> I just wanted to make it clear thats really not what i was talking about when I made my post. I was just reminiscent of not more than two months ago when someone was seriously flaming another clan for using bunnyhop scripts, and now everyone is using them, so I was a bit sad. I was also hearing alot of cl_rate accusations being thrown around at the time and I believed them. However, I dont think everyone cheats or plays config v config or anything like that =\
Nor do i HAMBONE. It seems my orginal post keeps trying spinning off towards hacking and config topics. Let me just remind everyone that what i was talking about 5 pages back was the way some actual SKILLED clans treat other clans. Not clans who use hacks or scripts.
although I have no power in my clan, I try to keep the disrespect down, and I play in hope of a return of honor and respect to the NS clan scene. I continue to play this game in a clan and in pub, and I just hope it comes, because I really like the game. I hope that 2.1 reviatalizes it, and that we can return to the old respect for all.
ok i haf only red the first post but i will reply as if i wuz the first to, ummm...reply <!--emo&???--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/confused.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='confused.gif'><!--endemo-->
anyways, how about a qualified judge for each clan match elected by the ladder or sumtin? i think that would be nice and if the judge rekons they didnt behave very nicely then they get disqualified. remember only respectable judges allowed, noone that would cheat , get bribed or laf the losing team. and he shud make there are lots of "Good luck next time" 's.
Well I belive strongly that sportsmenship should have a home in NS. And I feel Spacemoogles frustration. I see worse and worse levels of sportsmenship In scrimmages. I would like to piont out that Complex Bling, And the Pandas were always a plesure to scrim. They hold their Clans to a higher level of standards then the average clan. I find it hard to belive that some of these newer clans that have been forming, can be trused to play fair. My reasoning is this: Competitive NS has a harsh learning curve, It takes dicipline and hard work to master Clan style play, As Im sure SHAMPOO or Lucid could tell you. Some of these newer clans don't even seem to be able to master sportsmenship, where can they find the time to hold themselves to higher moral standards. Scripting is rampent and the funniest part of it is this - many clans claim scripts dont help them to have an advantage in gameplay, yet they still use them, tell me that this paridox don't leave you scratching your head. I think the reason that these threads find there way back to scripts and other goodies is becouse its a symptom of the core problem.
Instead of flameing or offering advise on how to deal with loses, I would suggest this possiblity - Reach out your hand and help pull some NS player farther down the slope up to your level, remember back to the days you were new and some of the challenges you may have endured. If they are serious about improveing I am almost positive they will be greatfull for any wisdom you can impart, and as a bonus they may kiss your **** the way FFT kisses the pandas and Ham's ****.
<!--QuoteBegin--FFT_Fangs+Nov 9 2003, 02:59 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (FFT_Fangs @ Nov 9 2003, 02:59 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Well I belive strongly that sportsmenship should have a home in NS. And I feel Spacemoogles frustration. I see worse and worse levels of sportsmenship In scrimmages. I would like to piont out that Complex Bling, And the Pandas were always a plesure to scrim. They hold their Clans to a higher level of standards then the average clan. I find it hard to belive that some of these newer clans that have been forming, can be trused to play fair. My reasoning is this: Competitive NS has a harsh learning curve, It takes dicipline and hard work to master Clan style play, As Im sure SHAMPOO or Lucid could tell you. Some of these newer clans don't even seem to be able to master sportsmenship, where can they find the time to hold themselves to higher moral standards. Scripting is rampent and the funniest part of it is this - many clans claim scripts dont help them to have an advantage in gameplay, yet they still use them, tell me that this paridox don't leave you scratching your head. I think the reason that these threads find there way back to scripts and other goodies is becouse its a symptom of the core problem.
Instead of flameing or offering advise on how to deal with loses, I would suggest this possiblity - Reach out your hand and help pull some NS player farther down the slope up to your level, remember back to the days you were new and some of the challenges you may have endured. If they are serious about improveing I am almost positive they will be greatfull for any wisdom you can impart, and as a bonus they may kiss your **** the way FFT kisses the pandas and Ham's ****.
<!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif'><!--endemo--> <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> How you doing Mr Impy? :O
<!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->but what do I know I am in some sub .500 CAL team and, I am but a lowly playtester. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
<!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> but what do I know I am in some sub .500 CAL team and, I am but a lowly playtester.
God knows how Moogle... <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
<!--emo&::nerdy::--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/nerd.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='nerd.gif'><!--endemo--> Idongiddit... was that a flame, a question, or you guideing me toward jesus, lorn?
<!--emo&::marine::--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/marine.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='marine.gif'><!--endemo--> Comm I need a waypoint... my wallhack is busted
Ok, sorry I am just getting into this thread, but I read the whole thing through, so hear me out <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif'><!--endemo--> Ok, warning: lots of smilies follow, and I'd like to point out, though clan life might not be perfect, I still enjoy it, and devote a crap load of time into it.
<!--QuoteBegin--MMZ>Torak+Oct 29 2003, 01:59 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (MMZ>Torak @ Oct 29 2003, 01:59 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--><!--QuoteBegin--pandas|RoQ+Oct 29 2003, 01:33 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (pandas|RoQ @ Oct 29 2003, 01:33 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Playing a game where you rely on teammtes to win, and you don't know any of them is not fun to me. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> However, winning in those conditions I find significantly more rewarding than any clan match ever was.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> Roq: I love scrims and matches, don't get me wrong, but he's trying to point out that clan play for us noobs is a lot more harsh then clan play for top 10 clans. . .
Yes I agreee Torak, when somehow you pull off an unexpected win in pubs it's fun/ cool/ exciting etc., but it really means much less to me then even tieing a top 5 with the team I pour hours into everyday with. <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif'><!--endemo--> Yes I know they are just scrims, and scrims don't count because people use ringers, new strats etc. . . but so do we, we play with ringers, we use new strats, we let our recruits have big jobs etc. I might get excited over these ties, but don't think I'm the type to be OMG we pwnz0rd {jeg} clan, we r "elite". <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif'><!--endemo--> Cause we don't keep score, it'd be too depressing. <!--emo&;)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/wink.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink.gif'><!--endemo-->
<!--QuoteBegin--[SiD]Squishy+Oct 30 2003, 04:52 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> ([SiD]Squishy @ Oct 30 2003, 04:52 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Earlier today I was asking for a scrim and a clan said no we won't play a top clan. Good for them. Theres your answer.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> Uh yeah, say that and get flamed for not wanting to get better, little do they realize not being able to leave base as marines and being spawn camped as aliens helps <b>extremely little </b>in the grand scheme of things. . . (but noone thinks about stuff like that <!--emo&;)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/wink.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink.gif'><!--endemo-->)
<!--QuoteBegin--[WWJD]JesusC+Oct 30 2003, 01:57 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> ([WWJD]JesusC @ Oct 30 2003, 01:57 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Flash back a few weeks ago we had a situation where the other team made fun shapes on our hive floor with mines while they spun around with jet packs and hmg's refusing to end the game for ten minutes.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> LOL, oh yeah and they (I use they loosly- not refering to any one clan) can screw around with you, but don't screw around with them (also loosly, ok maybe not so much so on this side, but still), we knew we were going to loose as marines (cause frankly our marine game needs a lot of work right now), but we were playing a good team to try to test out our alien game, and aside from one member I don't think they found our 5 ip knife rush to be very funny. . . <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif'><!--endemo--> Oh well we tried to get a laugh out of something other then our lack of experience. <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif'><!--endemo-->
The clan scene needs more groups like FFT, keep it up guys. Oh yeah, and one way to counter going to findnsscrim and only playing vet/ kick **** teams 24/7 is responding to pms that some lesser known clans might send you <!--emo&;)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/wink.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink.gif'><!--endemo-->. If you don't know what I'm talking about talk to whoever has voice in the chan for your team. <!--emo&;)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/wink.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink.gif'><!--endemo--> It's fun to be beaten up, but everyonce and awhile I enjoy playing games where I don't know the outcome before the match. <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'><!--endemo-->
I still remember my first ns clanwar... OMG <!--emo&???--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/confused.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='confused.gif'><!--endemo--> they gorgerushed us and didnt shoot the buildings, only the marines
<!--QuoteBegin--[FFT]SpaceMoogle5+Oct 30 2003, 08:00 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> ([FFT]SpaceMoogle5 @ Oct 30 2003, 08:00 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> where is the friendly competition? I'll tell you, its on pubs. It will probably only be there too. Every once in a while you will come across the lamer 12 year old, but most of the time play is fun and friendly. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> Amen brother.
I have always enjoyed pubbing more than competing. If you lose in a competition, there is no evading the normally smug other team. (it goes both was as well. My teams have been condecending from time to time.)
If you lose in a Pub, there are always GGs waiting for you in the ready room. Perhaps a few seconds of victory jump/dancing. And then its back to the freaking game for another go.
One thing to remember about pubs as well, you have a 50/50 shot at being on a winning team. Remember, even if the other clan is very kind and helpful. Winning a round or two is always good for a new clans morale.
SM5 said when was the last time you <b>meant</b> it though, <!--emo&;)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/wink.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink.gif'><!--endemo--> big difference.
<!--QuoteBegin--Jane+Nov 11 2003, 09:44 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Jane @ Nov 11 2003, 09:44 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->The clan scene needs more groups like FFT, keep it up guys. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> Oh my god h4x someone said something nice about FFT on the NS forums...
Aw, you guys are so cute and loveable, who wouldn't say nice stuff about you? <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif'><!--endemo--> #wage we'll scrim you anytime <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'><!--endemo-->
<!--emo&::marine::--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/marine.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='marine.gif'><!--endemo--> Comm we need 6 more packs of mines... and something to read, were gonna be here for a while
I hope that the top teams aren't jerks. I am just getting into the competitive scene with other forum regs. We tied our first scrimm, and We are proud of that. This was a rocky path for me because from more than one person I've heard clan play is NOT fun. I am giving it a shot anyway, and if it turns to be as that was put at the beginning of this thread I will no longer question why clans are quitting.
<!--QuoteBegin--[FFT]SpaceMoogle5+Nov 12 2003, 06:53 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> ([FFT]SpaceMoogle5 @ Nov 12 2003, 06:53 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->ok but please don't spawn camp us when you have our hive on lock down
<!--emo&::marine::--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/marine.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='marine.gif'><!--endemo--> Comm we need 6 more packs of mines... and something to read, were gonna be here for a while<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> Neva! hey we played you in ugl, you should know we aren't good enough to do that to you guys <!--emo&;)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/wink.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink.gif'><!--endemo-->
Oh, and gl CWAG! Most of the top teams are well aware of the fact that the clan scene is dieing, so they are pretty nice about it. So try not to worry so much.
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eR has been around since 1.0 and is a vet clan. cri and ham are the only other remaining active vet clans (aside from hybrid and fwd, our foreign friends). to say that vet clans are somehow responsible for wiping out these newer clans is pretty absurd.
<span style='color:yellow'>have you tried playing the same clans week after week?</span>
if a clan dies it is probably from boredom and repetition. we scrim 2 or more times a night, and there are not more then 10 clans who actually scrim 7 times per week. (er, ir, cri, e, ham, dn, and a few others). You play these same clans, or whatever clan is alive that week, day after day and you’ll soon find out why there are few lasting clans. most recently we lost pandas to halo, adding to the long list.
and claiming that losing to a clan that acts immature, makes you quit? so you lose one scrim and find one clan you dont want to play, does this mean its time to quit totally? to lose all faith in humanity and the community? If you believe this you may as well just quit ns (and life). Let me tell you something, things will not improve if you give up after having one bad experience, instead of disbanding your clan, making a drama fest and posting on these fourms, why not just not play certain clans? talk to the leader? try and work things out? or maybe dont take it SO DAM PERSONALY, eventually you will be a better team then them, you will beat them, but not if you quit. the clan insulting you has survived the tests of time: they may not have been dignified in their survival, but they have survived what you are ready to quit after.
Is the solution to change he 'bad' clans? to make them fair and just? or should you use some will-power to walk away from those bad experiences, and continue to stay alive? Oh wait that would require work...but if you do walk away from it, then you will out last them, and you will own. That is how I see it, and iv noticed the same thing in real life, usually you can solve these things by being the bigger person and not letting people get to you.
In other words, it's not worth getting good if you're just going to earn the derisive pseudo-respect of a bunch of ****. :/ The equivalent in real life is choosing not to associate with a ****. It's not as if I've somehow granted victory to an abrasive, childish person if I don't hang out with him, is it?
Couple things Lux, first off why do they need to be asshats to begin with? why not just shake hands and go back to he locker room? Why make people hate you? it's NS, not pro wrestling. Secondly I don't know a single professional NS player thus we are doing this for fun... If the fun is removed from the game, WHY THE HELL WOULD YOU PLAY?
A single loss in a scrim is nothing to be upset over, however having a team get you to play on a laggy server and talk smack when you decide to leave and say how they "pwned" you, even though the match was unplayable is... what is the word.. oh thats right cockish. And that kind of activity goes on daily in the match play scene.
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FFT = day 1 NS clan kthxpai, we have been doing this for a year here in a few days. We didn't play in clan play for the EXACT reasons the poo is hitting the fan in the NS comunity right now. We come to play NS, a lot of clans come to play a game of whos config beats whos... I don't play that game [FFT] doesn't play that game, if thats what you want to play challenge another clan. We play because its fun... when you rob the game of its fun it's not worth playing.
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Well firstly thats like converting the devil to christianity, so the changing option is out, they are bastids thats not going to change. Secondly I am all about a good **** whoopin if two even teams play a match out and 1 teams wins due to better stratagy, or better skill, or just plain luck, I am all for that. But when one team starts with an HMG and the other team has a knife, unless your are Anticamp you are screwed. So again I am all about clan level NS, I am against playing some perversion of NS versus my vanilla NS, your statagy may not be better, you may not be a better player, but because you know how to cheat better than I do, you win... its not right... but what do I know I am in some sub .500 CAL team and, I am but a lowly playtester.
Lux, I understand that you are not totally disagreeing with me nor are you trying to be rude to me, but asking me to look at the clan scene and think that it's ok is something I cant do, I wish, WHOLE HEARTEDLY that ns would be fun again... but only time will tell, frankly I am not holding my breath... So to the pub with me, I will only play League NS if I have to.
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True dat, but its just sad that you should have to be bigger than so many people, thats just ghetto.
On a quick note, I don't own anyone, I exceed the own/pwn age limit, I outplay people now.
Enough for one day
SM5
PS: Lucid I am glad to see you are taking care of the doods... unless you were being a sacrcastic little... naw, you are a leader in the NS clan scene you wouldn't need to be like that...
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all this cfg stuff is pure ****............
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I just wanted to make it clear thats really not what i was talking about when I made my post. I was just reminiscent of not more than two months ago when someone was seriously flaming another clan for using bunnyhop scripts, and now everyone is using them, so I was a bit sad. I was also hearing alot of cl_rate accusations being thrown around at the time and I believed them. However, I dont think everyone cheats or plays config v config or anything like that =\
anyways,
how about a qualified judge for each clan match elected by the ladder or sumtin?
i think that would be nice and if the judge rekons they didnt behave very nicely then they get disqualified.
remember only respectable judges allowed, noone that would cheat , get bribed or laf the losing team. and he shud make there are lots of "Good luck next time" 's.
Instead of flameing or offering advise on how to deal with loses, I would suggest this possiblity - Reach out your hand and help pull some NS player farther down the slope up to your level, remember back to the days you were new and some of the challenges you may have endured. If they are serious about improveing I am almost positive they will be greatfull for any wisdom you can impart, and as a bonus they may kiss your **** the way FFT kisses the pandas and Ham's ****.
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Instead of flameing or offering advise on how to deal with loses, I would suggest this possiblity - Reach out your hand and help pull some NS player farther down the slope up to your level, remember back to the days you were new and some of the challenges you may have endured. If they are serious about improveing I am almost positive they will be greatfull for any wisdom you can impart, and as a bonus they may kiss your **** the way FFT kisses the pandas and Ham's ****.
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How you doing Mr Impy? :O
God knows how Moogle...
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<!--QuoteBegin--MMZ>Torak+Oct 29 2003, 01:59 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (MMZ>Torak @ Oct 29 2003, 01:59 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--><!--QuoteBegin--pandas|RoQ+Oct 29 2003, 01:33 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (pandas|RoQ @ Oct 29 2003, 01:33 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Playing a game where you rely on teammtes to win, and you don't know any of them is not fun to me.
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However, winning in those conditions I find significantly more rewarding than any clan match ever was.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> Roq: I love scrims and matches, don't get me wrong, but he's trying to point out that clan play for us noobs is a lot more harsh then clan play for top 10 clans. . .
Yes I agreee Torak, when somehow you pull off an unexpected win in pubs it's fun/ cool/ exciting etc., but it really means much less to me then even tieing a top 5 with the team I pour hours into everyday with. <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif'><!--endemo--> Yes I know they are just scrims, and scrims don't count because people use ringers, new strats etc. . . but so do we, we play with ringers, we use new strats, we let our recruits have big jobs etc. I might get excited over these ties, but don't think I'm the type to be OMG we pwnz0rd {jeg} clan, we r "elite". <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif'><!--endemo--> Cause we don't keep score, it'd be too depressing. <!--emo&;)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/wink.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink.gif'><!--endemo-->
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LOL, oh yeah and they (I use they loosly- not refering to any one clan) can screw around with you, but don't screw around with them (also loosly, ok maybe not so much so on this side, but still), we knew we were going to loose as marines (cause frankly our marine game needs a lot of work right now), but we were playing a good team to try to test out our alien game, and aside from one member I don't think they found our 5 ip knife rush to be very funny. . . <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif'><!--endemo--> Oh well we tried to get a laugh out of something other then our lack of experience. <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif'><!--endemo-->
The clan scene needs more groups like FFT, keep it up guys. Oh yeah, and one way to counter going to findnsscrim and only playing vet/ kick **** teams 24/7 is responding to pms that some lesser known clans might send you <!--emo&;)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/wink.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink.gif'><!--endemo-->. If you don't know what I'm talking about talk to whoever has voice in the chan for your team. <!--emo&;)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/wink.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink.gif'><!--endemo--> It's fun to be beaten up, but everyonce and awhile I enjoy playing games where I don't know the outcome before the match. <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'><!--endemo-->
Amen brother.
I have always enjoyed pubbing more than competing. If you lose in a competition, there is no evading the normally smug other team. (it goes both was as well. My teams have been condecending from time to time.)
If you lose in a Pub, there are always GGs waiting for you in the ready room. Perhaps a few seconds of victory jump/dancing. And then its back to the freaking game for another go.
One thing to remember about pubs as well, you have a 50/50 shot at being on a winning team. Remember, even if the other clan is very kind and helpful. Winning a round or two is always good for a new clans morale.
Oh my god h4x someone said something nice about FFT on the NS forums...
/me runs off to get something to frame this with!
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Neva! hey we played you in ugl, you should know we aren't good enough to do that to you guys <!--emo&;)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/wink.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink.gif'><!--endemo-->
Oh, and gl CWAG! Most of the top teams are well aware of the fact that the clan scene is dieing, so they are pretty nice about it. So try not to worry so much.