ThansalThe New ScumJoin Date: 2002-08-22Member: 1215Members, Constellation
they all sorta suck equaly <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif'><!--endemo-->
the starter deks aint that great (primarly good for nabing some cards your realy need or for an interesting combo idea)
however, if you are just getting into it, nad one that simply sounds like it would fit your play style (there is a descrip of how it plays on the side of the box)
I used to have a starter deck ( like 4 years ago), since when I was a camp councelor I just sort of snuck away from my group and played it with a friend.
I started out with green. I played with a green deck, and it gave me a good understanding of creatures and tapping and stuff without it being overly complicated.
Then I spread to red, black, blue, white in that order. <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif'><!--endemo-->
Unlike other people, i would recommend you pick up one of their starter decks, i think 8th edition has one, i'm not entirely sure. They come with numerous amounts of crap cards, but the cd-rom tutorial games and the rulebooks really do help. The first thing i bought was an Invasion green pre-built deck, and i just didn't know where to start.
Basically, learn to walk before you can run.
Also, find someone you know that can play to give you a few games with basic decks, useing only common cards can help it be a bit more balanced, but even from your first proper game (once you know the basics) you start seeing possible combos and strategies.
<!--QuoteBegin--Vulgar Menace+Nov 1 2003, 11:14 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Vulgar Menace @ Nov 1 2003, 11:14 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> I have to disagree. learning to tap a drudge skeleton isent any harder than tapping Gerred Capushan. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> No, but when you don't even know what "tapping" is, it might be a bit hard to play the game. <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'><!--endemo-->
*EDIT: Why would you want Gerrard, he sucks. <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'><!--endemo-->
Another thing that REALLY helps is magic the gathering online.
I think the first week of this game is for free. You can play many games with some good cards and get the basics of it. The computer does all the work you just have to learn.
The community is terrible, you make a mistake and they will eat your face. seriously, i gotta go soon, my doctor says if im exposed to gamma-rays too long it wont grow back.....wait....huzzah for LCD monitors.
<!--QuoteBegin--Tyrain+Nov 1 2003, 11:21 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Tyrain @ Nov 1 2003, 11:21 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Another thing that REALLY helps is magic the gathering online.
I think the first week of this game is for free. You can play many games with some good cards and get the basics of it. The computer does all the work you just have to learn. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> Also, try <a href='http://www.magicthegathering.com/' target='_blank'>magicthegathering.com</a>, they have the tutorial programme available to download, so buying the starter may not be entirely necessary.
Also, with the new starter, does anyone know what foil card you get? Originally it was a foil Rhox, then it was a foil Thorn Elemental, anyone know?
I dont know, thorn elemental sucks. youd have to pay me to TAKE that card. but heres a <a href='http://www.findmagiccards.com' target='_blank'>link that REALLY helps</a>
<!--QuoteBegin--Vulgar Menace+Nov 1 2003, 11:26 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Vulgar Menace @ Nov 1 2003, 11:26 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> I dont know, thorn elemental sucks. youd have to pay me to TAKE that card. but heres a <a href='http://www.findmagiccards.com' target='_blank'>link that REALLY helps</a> <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> I play fast green beatdown, fading creatures and big hitters, lots of mana, few turns. <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'><!--endemo-->
I'm a big magig the gathering fan. The best starter decks ever : The old school tempest decks (Black slither deck, oooo). Actualy, any old-school decks are good. I only do old school because I'm too cheap to go out and buy any new cards.
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Anyway... my green and black decks are awesome. My favorite cards are unglued, by far. <img src='http://www.wizards.com/global/images/magic/general/infernal_spawn_of_evil.jpg' border='0' alt='user posted image'> "It's Coming!!"
I just started testing out the new magic game for the x-box, Magic The Gathering: Battle Grounds I'm so happy <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif'><!--endemo-->
The best starter pack is the one you choose, if any. <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif'><!--endemo-->
ThansalThe New ScumJoin Date: 2002-08-22Member: 1215Members, Constellation
ok, now I am slightly confuzled
to you wana buy like the starter thing? (I wouldn't suggest it)
or a theme deck? Theme decks are actualy sorta nice (I meen they fall apart agains anything tourny worthy, but hey, you aint there yet) I would actualy suggest grabing a miroden theme deck, and like an 8ed starter pack.
This way you have some cards, you will have a rule book, you will have a WORKING deck that is almost viable in the current environment, and you will beable to start tweaking it with whatever random cards you got.
As for MTG OL, ditch it. What to do is go down to your local card and comic shop (probably where you will buy said cards) and ask if they have a back room, They probalby will.
Go back, sit down, and start reading through the rules and looking at the cards. Some one will probably ask if you wana play a game, tell em your new and see if they are willing to be friendly <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'><!--endemo--> (I hope they would, I know my local sotre has great people)
<!--QuoteBegin--::esuna::+Nov 2 2003, 06:33 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (::esuna:: @ Nov 2 2003, 06:33 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin--Vulgar Menace+Nov 1 2003, 11:26 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Vulgar Menace @ Nov 1 2003, 11:26 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> I dont know, thorn elemental sucks. youd have to pay me to TAKE that card. but heres a <a href='http://www.findmagiccards.com' target='_blank'>link that REALLY helps</a> <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> A 7/7 which can't be blocked.. for 7 mana??? Vulgar ur insane, w/ fast mana generation i can get it out in a few turns +giant growth and they're dead soon =)
As for the best way to start magic, hmm, id probably read the online tutorial, or play mtg online. Then chose a colour to play, and get an 8th edition theme deck. Seriously, i got a starter pack when i started playing, the cards are really weak, and much too simplistic imo. Then i got a lot of old skool tempest cards <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif'><!--endemo-->. Get the green theme deck, green is probably the best starting colour (my favourite one too), and it seems to have a few good cards in it at least. Just build on this through 8th edition boosters. You want to get the *staple* or *classic* cards before u go into the 'expert' sets.
<!--QuoteBegin---spidermonkey-+Nov 2 2003, 04:21 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (-spidermonkey- @ Nov 2 2003, 04:21 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin--::esuna::+Nov 2 2003, 06:33 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (::esuna:: @ Nov 2 2003, 06:33 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin--Vulgar Menace+Nov 1 2003, 11:26 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Vulgar Menace @ Nov 1 2003, 11:26 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> I dont know, thorn elemental sucks. youd have to pay me to TAKE that card. but heres a <a href='http://www.findmagiccards.com' target='_blank'>link that REALLY helps</a> <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> A 7/7 which can't be blocked.. for 7 mana??? Vulgar ur insane, w/ fast mana generation i can get it out in a few turns +giant growth and they're dead soon =)
As for the best way to start magic, hmm, id probably read the online tutorial, or play mtg online. Then chose a colour to play, and get an 8th edition theme deck. Seriously, i got a starter pack when i started playing, the cards are really weak, and much too simplistic imo. Then i got a lot of old skool tempest cards <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif'><!--endemo-->. Get the green theme deck, green is probably the best starting colour (my favourite one too), and it seems to have a few good cards in it at least. Just build on this through 8th edition boosters. You want to get the *staple* or *classic* cards before u go into the 'expert' sets. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> The thorn elemental out by 3rd or 4th turn, attack the next turn with as many pumps as possible, even if it's killed that turn you've done some big damage fast. I've anihilated someone with a single attack several times using that card, but i guess it's how you play the game really.
One of the people i play the most plays pretty much a pure black creature killing deck, Avatar Of Woe etc, the only way i've found to reliably and effectively counter his main deck is to beat him in speed, hence why using only common cards and mana generating creatures (llanowar elves, wild growth, hickory woodlot, vine trellis, and more) combined with cards that allow me to search my library for land (Harrow, etc) i've made a pretty much lightning fast green deck, the only way it'd be faster is if i started bringing in the big hitting, expensive, green cards like gaea's cradle, rofellos, llanowar emissary, priest of titania (although they've reissued that one), and so on. So anyway, once i pick up all this fast mana, i get big creatures fast, a lot of the time i've killed him before he has more than a blood pet out. <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'><!--endemo-->
Oh, and i've played for a year or two longer than him, he's still learning. <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'><!--endemo-->
Just flicking through my green deck (geez its been a while), i see i used more weenie creatures and just buffed them up. Theres a creature in urzas saga called cradle guard, 1GG for 4/4 trample echo, id get it out 2nd turn, then use scent of ivy + giant growth, thats like 12-13 damage already. Hehe.. this used to be my only deck (besides a counter deck) that could beat the cheapness of those burn decks. I also have this blue/white deck, which uses card drawing (whispers of the muse) and white creatures with gaseous form that can block an infinate number of creatures (<!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'><!--endemo-->), also using arrest, and humble, the 'timming' their creatures to death, + a few counters. You have no idea how frustrated people got with this deck, they just couldnt do *anything*.
Im going to look through the new sets, hmm, maybe ill pick up the game again <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif'><!--endemo-->. But nothing seems to beat the last good set (urzas saga+legacy).
To be honest, i'm interested to see what decks people have (Sorry for the hijack), please post your deck listing that you <b>actually own</b> (So no adding cards you wish you had, but don't actually own), the main tactic or strategy with your deck, and any other little details like that. <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'><!--endemo-->
Speed Green --- Backstory: This is the 40 card remains after i had my beatdown deck beaten one too many times, its a different strategy than before, rather than trying to win purely by just having bigger creatures, i thought it was about time that i started playing with a little more strategy. It's also a nice counter for anti-green black cards. <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'><!--endemo-->
Land (10) --- 7 x Forest 2 x Hickory Woodlot 1 x Tranquil Thickit
Creatures (16) --- 1 x Dodecapod 2 x Femeref Archers 2 x Kavu Chameleon 2 x Llanowar Elite 3 x Llanowar Elves 3 x Stonewood Invoker 1 x Tribal Golem 2 x Vine Trellis
Spells (14) --- 2 x Creeping Mould 2 x Harrow 2 x Living Terrain 2 x Naturalize 2 x Revive 2 x Skyshroud Claim 2 x Wild Growth
All the starter decks are pretty bad, with the exception of a few cards. My suggestion: Get the starter deck for it's mana, in colors that you want, then build your deck from there using the best cards from the starter deck.
<!--QuoteBegin--Redford+Nov 2 2003, 10:12 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Redford @ Nov 2 2003, 10:12 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> All the starter decks are pretty bad, with the exception of a few cards. My suggestion: Get the starter deck for it's mana, in colors that you want, then build your deck from there using the best cards from the starter deck. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> Yes, starter decks are a waste of time. Buy a theme deck from 8th, in the colour you want. You will get mana, and the cards are not *that* bad, but they offer a nice base to build on.
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Ooooh, if we're listing decks im gonna list mine <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif'><!--endemo-->, btw i used to play w/ 40 cards but they are too strong, now my friends play the 60 card rule as it <i>should</i> be.
60 cards (i think) Green stompy stompy deck w/ small creatures. This needs reworking, i know, its old and i havent played mtg in at least a year. Probably the big creatures should be booted, and replaced, but meh (+2 more scent of ivys)
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the starter deks aint that great (primarly good for nabing some cards your realy need or for an interesting combo idea)
however, if you are just getting into it, nad one that simply sounds like it would fit your play style (there is a descrip of how it plays on the side of the box)
In there you can have some lessons and try out all 7th ed precons.
Otherwise there's the starter edition, that comes with a CD and all...
Then I spread to red, black, blue, white in that order. <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif'><!--endemo-->
Basically, learn to walk before you can run.
Also, find someone you know that can play to give you a few games with basic decks, useing only common cards can help it be a bit more balanced, but even from your first proper game (once you know the basics) you start seeing possible combos and strategies.
Damn, i need to play some M:TG now.
No, but when you don't even know what "tapping" is, it might be a bit hard to play the game. <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'><!--endemo-->
*EDIT: Why would you want Gerrard, he sucks. <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'><!--endemo-->
I think the first week of this game is for free. You can play many games with some good cards and get the basics of it. The computer does all the work you just have to learn.
<a href='http://www.wizards.com/default.asp?x=magic/magiconline/downloadlinks' target='_blank'>http://www.wizards.com/default.asp?x=magic...e/downloadlinks</a>
I think the first week of this game is for free. You can play many games with some good cards and get the basics of it. The computer does all the work you just have to learn. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Also, try <a href='http://www.magicthegathering.com/' target='_blank'>magicthegathering.com</a>, they have the tutorial programme available to download, so buying the starter may not be entirely necessary.
Also, with the new starter, does anyone know what foil card you get? Originally it was a foil Rhox, then it was a foil Thorn Elemental, anyone know?
*EDIT:
/me <3 direct damage creatures.
I play fast green beatdown, fading creatures and big hitters, lots of mana, few turns. <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'><!--endemo-->
I only do old school because I'm too cheap to go out and buy any new cards.
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Anyway... my green and black decks are awesome.
My favorite cards are unglued, by far.
<img src='http://www.wizards.com/global/images/magic/general/infernal_spawn_of_evil.jpg' border='0' alt='user posted image'>
"It's Coming!!"
I just started testing out the new magic game for the x-box, Magic The Gathering: Battle Grounds
I'm so happy <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif'><!--endemo-->
<!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif'><!--endemo-->
to you wana buy like the starter thing? (I wouldn't suggest it)
or a theme deck?
Theme decks are actualy sorta nice (I meen they fall apart agains anything tourny worthy, but hey, you aint there yet)
I would actualy suggest grabing a miroden theme deck, and like an 8ed starter pack.
This way you have some cards, you will have a rule book, you will have a WORKING deck that is almost viable in the current environment, and you will beable to start tweaking it with whatever random cards you got.
As for MTG OL, ditch it.
What to do is go down to your local card and comic shop (probably where you will buy said cards) and ask if they have a back room, They probalby will.
Go back, sit down, and start reading through the rules and looking at the cards. Some one will probably ask if you wana play a game, tell em your new and see if they are willing to be friendly <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'><!--endemo--> (I hope they would, I know my local sotre has great people)
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A 7/7 which can't be blocked.. for 7 mana??? Vulgar ur insane, w/ fast mana generation i can get it out in a few turns +giant growth and they're dead soon =)
As for the best way to start magic, hmm, id probably read the online tutorial, or play mtg online. Then chose a colour to play, and get an 8th edition theme deck. Seriously, i got a starter pack when i started playing, the cards are really weak, and much too simplistic imo. Then i got a lot of old skool tempest cards <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif'><!--endemo-->. Get the green theme deck, green is probably the best starting colour (my favourite one too), and it seems to have a few good cards in it at least. Just build on this through 8th edition boosters. You want to get the *staple* or *classic* cards before u go into the 'expert' sets.
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A 7/7 which can't be blocked.. for 7 mana??? Vulgar ur insane, w/ fast mana generation i can get it out in a few turns +giant growth and they're dead soon =)
As for the best way to start magic, hmm, id probably read the online tutorial, or play mtg online. Then chose a colour to play, and get an 8th edition theme deck. Seriously, i got a starter pack when i started playing, the cards are really weak, and much too simplistic imo. Then i got a lot of old skool tempest cards <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif'><!--endemo-->. Get the green theme deck, green is probably the best starting colour (my favourite one too), and it seems to have a few good cards in it at least. Just build on this through 8th edition boosters. You want to get the *staple* or *classic* cards before u go into the 'expert' sets. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
The thorn elemental out by 3rd or 4th turn, attack the next turn with as many pumps as possible, even if it's killed that turn you've done some big damage fast. I've anihilated someone with a single attack several times using that card, but i guess it's how you play the game really.
One of the people i play the most plays pretty much a pure black creature killing deck, Avatar Of Woe etc, the only way i've found to reliably and effectively counter his main deck is to beat him in speed, hence why using only common cards and mana generating creatures (llanowar elves, wild growth, hickory woodlot, vine trellis, and more) combined with cards that allow me to search my library for land (Harrow, etc) i've made a pretty much lightning fast green deck, the only way it'd be faster is if i started bringing in the big hitting, expensive, green cards like gaea's cradle, rofellos, llanowar emissary, priest of titania (although they've reissued that one), and so on. So anyway, once i pick up all this fast mana, i get big creatures fast, a lot of the time i've killed him before he has more than a blood pet out. <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'><!--endemo-->
Oh, and i've played for a year or two longer than him, he's still learning. <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'><!--endemo-->
Im going to look through the new sets, hmm, maybe ill pick up the game again <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif'><!--endemo-->. But nothing seems to beat the last good set (urzas saga+legacy).
Speed Green
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Backstory: This is the 40 card remains after i had my beatdown deck beaten one too many times, its a different strategy than before, rather than trying to win purely by just having bigger creatures, i thought it was about time that i started playing with a little more strategy. It's also a nice counter for anti-green black cards. <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'><!--endemo-->
Land (10)
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7 x Forest
2 x Hickory Woodlot
1 x Tranquil Thickit
Creatures (16)
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1 x Dodecapod
2 x Femeref Archers
2 x Kavu Chameleon
2 x Llanowar Elite
3 x Llanowar Elves
3 x Stonewood Invoker
1 x Tribal Golem
2 x Vine Trellis
Spells (14)
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2 x Creeping Mould
2 x Harrow
2 x Living Terrain
2 x Naturalize
2 x Revive
2 x Skyshroud Claim
2 x Wild Growth
Yes, starter decks are a waste of time. Buy a theme deck from 8th, in the colour you want. You will get mana, and the cards are not *that* bad, but they offer a nice base to build on.
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Ooooh, if we're listing decks im gonna list mine <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif'><!--endemo-->, btw i used to play w/ 40 cards but they are too strong, now my friends play the 60 card rule as it <i>should</i> be.
60 cards (i think) Green stompy stompy deck w/ small creatures. This needs reworking, i know, its old and i havent played mtg in at least a year. Probably the big creatures should be booted, and replaced, but meh (+2 more scent of ivys)
Land
-18 forests
-2 treetop villiage
Sorcery/instant/enchantments
-4 natures lore
-4 monstrous growth
-4 rancor (best card ever)
-4 giant growth
-2 scent of ivy
-1 overrun
Creatures
-4 llanowar elves
-4 cradle guard
-4 lone wolf
-4 scryb sprites
-2 yavimaya wurms (should be removed)
-1 pride of lions
-1 titanias chosen (probably should be removed/replaced)
-1 thorn elemental
*edit* overlooked 2 scryb sprites