Can "true Pocket" Quarterbacks Excist Anymore?

XzilenXzilen Join Date: 2002-12-30 Member: 11642Members, Constellation
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<div class="IPBDescription">Or do they all need to be scrambling?</div> This may not seem like a big topic to discuss, but I believe it has its reasons for being here.

The days when a Quarterback use to be able to have five seconds at the absolute least in the pocket seem to have passed us. It seems more and more that scrambling quarterbacks, such as McNair, and McNab are the ones who are grabbing the success, any comments, thoughts, examples?
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  • MonsieurEvilMonsieurEvil Join Date: 2002-01-22 Member: 4Members, Retired Developer, NS1 Playtester, Contributor
    edited November 2003
    Defenses are just way too tough theses days (thanks frequently to designer performance enhancements). When I was younger, the concept of a 300 pound tackle running a 4.7 40 and benching 500 was completely unbelievable. Nowadays it's commonplace. The greatest defensive line in football history ('85 Bears) would be completely out of their league in today's NFL.

    All that combines to make anything but shotgunning or the scrambling QB to be unviable. Which is why I rarely watch football anymore - low-scoring affairs that boil down to short-yardage running games and 3-point kicks. Totally boring crap. The NBA banned the impenetrable zone defense for decades in order to make the games interesting - the NFL should do something about this sorry state of affairs as well.
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  • XzilenXzilen Join Date: 2002-12-30 Member: 11642Members, Constellation
    Thank you for a good post on this subject. Was afraid no one would respond :-\

    Yes, Buddy Ryan's 46 Defense absolutely kicked ****, but your also right on the fact that today's games are getting rather.... stale....

    Performance enhancing drugs of any sort should be outlawed from football, it destroys the game :-\

    Isn't Zone still illegal in the NBA, or have I really been that out of touch with Basketball for so long.
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  • MonsieurEvilMonsieurEvil Join Date: 2002-01-22 Member: 4Members, Retired Developer, NS1 Playtester, Contributor
    I believe the NBA recently (last couple few years max) started allowing the zone. I'll double-check (edit: yes, 2001, although it may be on the way back out - go figure <!--emo&;)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/wink.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink.gif'><!--endemo--> ).

    You're right, NFL games are getting super stale. The concept of an exciting Superbowl? I haven't seen one live *ever*, only the early (ESPN classic shows them) games. Whereas the last 4 World Series were nail biting crazy awesome down to the wire cool.

    We are agreeing too much for this to be much of a discussion. <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif'><!--endemo-->
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  • JammerJammer Join Date: 2002-06-03 Member: 728Members, Constellation
    edited November 2003
    Football is awesome, its fine as it is.

    Actually, I don't follow "Football" persay, I follow "The Eagles". Big difference. Following the Eagles means scoping out the division, and no one else :-P

    Anyway.

    If defenses are getting better, wouldn't offensive lines get better conversely?

    VVVV Used wrong word, thanks.
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  • XzilenXzilen Join Date: 2002-12-30 Member: 11642Members, Constellation
    No, the <i>offensive</i> line unfortunely doesn't seem to be able to improve the way that defenses have. Just too much blizting and crap these days.
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  • MonsieurEvilMonsieurEvil Join Date: 2002-01-22 Member: 4Members, Retired Developer, NS1 Playtester, Contributor
    edited November 2003
    That's the issue - a good defense beats a good offense in most sports, but especially in football. If you can contain a team's scoring in football (which is a very low-scoring sport in general), you can get by with a mediocre offense of your own. Most superbowl teams get there (and win) with a great defense and so-so O.

    Until they make some fundamental rules changes, it will just get more and more boring...
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  • Doug_the_HeadDoug_the_Head Join Date: 2003-03-26 Member: 14909Members
    This is the exact reason that I never watch NFL games. College football, however, is still very interesting and exciting to watch IMO, so I stick to that.



    Alabama vs. Auburn this weekend, btw. I'll be watching it. So uhhhhhhh............ ROLL TIDE!!
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  • XzilenXzilen Join Date: 2002-12-30 Member: 11642Members, Constellation
    As much as I like how this topic has finally gotten some replys, anymore ideas on non scrambling quarterbacks that can still work.

    Come to think of it, Tom Brady is pretty much a pocket passer, but he's got a lot of awarness, so I guess thats what works for him.
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  • WindelkronWindelkron Join Date: 2002-04-11 Member: 419Members
    I dont know quarterback names. but I do understand your thought that quick-passing ones are grabbing success... but I dont really know. the very quick throws are always short range. QBs like pennington and manning (i think) spend more time thinking and end up throwing good med- to long passes. They are both very successful. I guess it just depends on who you watch; every quarterback has a different style, i guess.
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  • XzilenXzilen Join Date: 2002-12-30 Member: 11642Members, Constellation
    edited November 2003
    <!--QuoteBegin--Windelkron+Nov 20 2003, 11:00 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Windelkron @ Nov 20 2003, 11:00 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> I dont know quarterback names.  but I do understand your thought that quick-passing ones are grabbing success... but I dont really know.  the very quick throws are always short range.  QBs like pennington and manning (i think) spend more time thinking and end up throwing good med- to long passes.  They are both very successful.  I guess it just depends on who you watch; every quarterback has a different style, i guess. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    Yes, Manning and Pennington are both very good at what they do, very talented QB"s. Can't wait to see Eli, Paytons brother come in to the NFL in the near future to.
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  • MrPinkMrPink Join Date: 2002-05-28 Member: 678Members
    edited November 2003
    The scramblers are so much more effective within the 5 yard line though, the defence has to defend against the fullback dive, half back off tackle, slant across the middle, now you can chalk up an out pattern on bootlegs and QB delayed sneaks.

    Down by 4 points with 10 seconds left on the 3 yard line, who would you rather have in there, Peyton Manning or Dante Culpepper? I think the answer is obvious who is going to be more dangerous.
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