Steam Or Not

Exitus · November 2003

<div class="IPBDescription">So is it or not STEAM !</div> Hello I dont know is the steam good or bad... but I know that it dont work for my computer.

so... does the 3.0 need steam or can i play and download it as I did in 2.0...

CS went 100% steam and I havent play that after that... (not so bad ... <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/wink.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink.gif'> )

<img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/asrifle.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='asrifle.gif'> STEAM <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tiny.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tiny.gif'>

Umbraed_Monkey · November 2003

NS 3.0 is steam only. As is all other mods in the near future. The WON servers are going down.

Exitus · November 2003

MAN that was fast .. ok .. ty

BlaqWolf · November 2003

</span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Umbraed Monkey @ Nov 28 2003, 02:24 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> NS 3.0 is steam only. As is all other mods in the near future. The WON servers are going down.  </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> 
damn... well i guess i wont be playin any of you in the near future....

unless by some miracle i can get broadband in the boonies...

lunixmonster! why hast thou forsaken me!?!?!

Umbraed_Monkey · November 2003

Of course, by near, I meant near in Valve's definition of "near". <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif'>

And I dont think it was that hard on my 56k line. You might wanna give it another go when NS 3.0 comes around, Im sure Valve would at least try to make play acceptable with a phone line.

Supernorn · November 2003

I've got to change my ISP just to play 3.0 lol <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif'>
They cache the data and thats whats screwing it up apparently. <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/wink.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink.gif'>

meatball · November 2003

atleast i wont have any trouble with NS when it comes to connection speed, but steam is still alot slower than von

Leaderz0rz · November 2003

steam is great, it has minor problems but is awsome, people need to realize that you will soon have to use steam, so you might as well get used to it, and you can have two HL folders, one that is won and one that is steam, so downloading steam will make it so you can't play NS through won. If you get steam, come to lunixmonster server, great server community, and fun to play on

Johny_Cage · November 2003

I have steam, and I still play NS through WON.

taboofires · November 2003

steam is still just a baby, but at least valve is making some progress into fixing it up. Eventually you'll stop missing WON.

Gliss · November 2003

I'm sure VALVe is reasonable (ree-ZON-ubb-uhl) enough to not switch over to Steam until a good percentage of people are able to use it. Plus, there's nothing like leaving on a download overnight to help you 56kers. I mean, I'm sure you've done worse.

CragBo · November 2003

Steam is the worst software ever....EVER

We are all owned into doing Valves beta testing for multiplayer mods for HL 2

I have yet to see a game released by serria that was actually finished. They are cheap **** that get the public to test thier software for them.

Its a 5 year old game FFS leave it alone.

Leaderz0rz · November 2003

then don't play it, simple as that, and you have no reason to hate steam, becuase you provided no example for any problems you are having. If you hate Valve and HL so much, why are you posting here?

CragBo · November 2003

no.... sorry I did not explain myself properly

I Love HL.

I have been playing half life mods since cs beta.

I am just **** off that they added stupid software

If it aint broke dont fix it.

Gliss · November 2003

</span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Cra!gBo @ Nov 28 2003, 01:29 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> If it aint broke dont fix it. </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'>
Jesus, you can't go on saying that forever, there are things that aren't broken but need <b>improvements</b>.
For instance, NS wasn't broken in 1.04, there were lots of people who still love it (and still are), but 2.(0)1 is an <b>improvement</b>. Do you seriously think that NS would become half of what it is today if the developers just sat back, drank beer, and said, "It's not broken, don't fix it"?!?!?!?!

Steam is an improvement, too, people need to take time and listen to the fixes (like that #whatever error. I told thousands of people the solution, but they continued to whine about how VALVe was retarded), then it wouldn't be half as bad.

[edit] Steam is coming, whether VALVe is dumb or not. Just try to accept it, and like... stop whining... [/edit]

Majin · November 2003

Steam is AWESOME
Steam is GOOD
STEAM IS NOW!

Get use to it!

Daxx · November 2003

And for that matter I've <b>never</b> had a problem with Steam. At all. So clear off all that extra crap you people have running on your system, (I bet most of you are running Kazza) and you'd be amazed at how well it runs.

What a quick and easy method?

Click Start > Run
Clear out the box and type in "msconfig"
Click Ok, the System Configuration Utility should come up.
Under the General tab change your system from "Normal Startup" to "Selective Startup"
Looking further down the list of items, depending on your OS is will say either "Load Startup Group Items" or "Load Startup Items"
Remove the checkmark next to that option.
Click Apply, then Close/Ok.
Reboot your system.

Try installing and updating Steam now. Unless your system is seriously screwed, it should go in fine.

ThePhilips · November 2003

The current beta ns install for steam is no to compare to 3.0. I played the steam beta install and it crashed randomly and was a bit buggy. So I recommend playing won till they released a proper install.

Quaunaut · November 2003

</span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Pjofsky @ Nov 28 2003, 12:46 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> I'm sure VALVe is reasonable (ree-ZON-ubb-uhl) enough to not switch over to Steam until a good percentage of people are able to use it. Plus, there's nothing like leaving on a download overnight to help you 56kers. I mean, I'm sure you've done worse.  </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> 
Ok guys, I'm gonna go on a bit ofrant here, because I think many of ye are stupid.

First off- steam works for 60% of its users better than WON.

Secondly- Don't bash steam just because your too much of a ingrate to get it working. The ONLY reason I see to bash steam, is because you have 56k and won't be able to play anymore.

And lastly- Don't flame me for this, because this isn't a flame. Its a promise, and a fact. Not many people in the HL community can't get it working. Many of those who can't get it working either A: Know how to launch programs, hit their 'esc' key, and **** using those other lettered keyes, B: Have computers that run HL at 0-5 fps and expect broadband internet is all they need to make it better, so tehy bash steam for forcing them to spend 50 bucks by upgrading, and C: Have a legitimate problem. Throughout my long running with steam, I could always get it working, even back on 56k. IT was slow as hell then, but it worked. Now, its a bit slower, but I connect to games faster(5-7 seconds), and can search servers faster and better.

And BTW- my PC isn't a super computer. P4 2.0ghz, 256SDRAM, Motherboard based 64MB video card, no sound card, 60gb, and a few other sucky items. And my ol', 400mhz, 64MBSDRAM, Voodoo 3, no soundcard PC runs it fine too. So mnyeh!

Hologram0 · November 2003

Steam is great for me too. It is so convient to have it auto update on connect, no more seaching for mirrors and other things. It allows the devs to release more updates too, to fix more minor things that before would require installs to be downloaded and run on ever computer, now it can be done for the people when ever the connect in a matter of moments.

The Cache files are not really a problem, the are all so small, if they have any large ones, they would have been a large update for WON aswell and taken for ever with 56K to begin with.

Stanley_txp · November 2003

WON and dialup go well togerthe, (their both dying mediums) <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif'>

Talesin · November 2003

Actually, what I hope to see happen is that mod devs will release major upgrade caches (the 100MB+ release versions) so that people can download those directly from a speedy mirror, and only do the minor incremental updates through the Steam auto-propogation.

Imagine that... an exploit is discovered, Flayra codes a fix, tosses it up to Steam, who sends it to everyone (and every server) playing. Boom, the next day, that exploit exists no more. We might actually see minor-revision numbers for NS again, too. <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif'>

In short, on Steam. It had a rocky start. Wonderful. I'm sure that most of those complaining weren't around for WON's startup. It was LOADS worse than Steam is now... not being able to play online for a week or two at a time was a common occurrence.

And as to 'if it ain't broken, don't fix it'... WON *is* broken. WON belongs to Sierra, not VALVe. Steam is VALVe's baby. They now have direct access to their key database (which they did *not* have under WON), and can change it as they see fit. Sierra is no longer their publisher, and HL is the _only_ thing still using WON for authentication. The servers are old and tired. It's time to put them out of their misery, and go to a better solution.

As for the 56Kers. As *if* you had it any easier downloading mods under WON? It's all the same amount of data. Just Steam will do it when you aren't looking, so it'll be there and ready much more easily. Sure, it's designed toward being a broadband delivery system. But that doesn't mean that it harms 56K users at all, when they're downloading the stuff anyway.

Cabal · November 2003

I've had no problems with Steam on my dialup connection. Maybe for people who connect at less than 33kbps there'd be some issues <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif'>

As for downloads - yes the initial download is huge. But personally I'd rather have one large download (which i got from work so no waiting 8 hours for me yay) and then many small, tiny, easy to download patches after that on my 56k connection.

And as for this comment:
</span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>I have yet to see a game released by serria that was actually finished.</td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'>

I didnt know that publishers <i>made</i> games (unless they do <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/wow.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wow.gif'> ) But anyway - what company has ever released a 'finished' game comparable to half-life's size that never required patches or improvements o_O

KungFuDiscoMonkey · November 2003

Let me begin by saying I don't hate steam. It's a really good idea and for many people it works. . . . .

However, I'm still stuck on a dial up modem for now and steam doesn't really agree with it so I was wondering if there was some information somewhere about optimizing steam for my dial up or optimizing my dial up for steam.

BlaqWolf · November 2003

</span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Cabal @ Nov 29 2003, 02:45 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> Maybe for people who connect at less than 33kbps there'd be some issues <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif'>
 </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> 
*timidly raises his hand*

yeah... THATS how far into the boonies i am. and my dad's too much of a redneck to move. >_<

<img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/asrifle.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='asrifle.gif'> [the world]

ahho · November 2003

steam is great, you should try it out. ppl say it sucks at the begining of the retail version. i wish they can make it back into the last beta version that dosen't eat up that much hard drive space

the only problem taht i hate is when it always ask me for the cd-key

Night_Shade · November 2003

</span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Stanley_txp @ Nov 29 2003, 11:08 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> WON and dialup go well togerthe, (their both dying mediums) <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif'> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'>
Tell that to Telstra. I can't get ANY FORM OF BROADBAND WHATSOFARKINGEVER <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/mad.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='mad.gif'> <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/asrifle.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='asrifle.gif'> telstra

Stanley_txp · November 2003

</span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Night Shade @ Nov 28 2003, 10:23 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> </span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Stanley_txp @ Nov 29 2003, 11:08 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> WON and dialup go well togerthe, (their both dying mediums) <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif'> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'>
Tell that to Telstra. I can't get ANY FORM OF BROADBAND WHATSOFARKINGEVER <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/mad.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='mad.gif'> <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/asrifle.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='asrifle.gif'> telstra  </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> 
<img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/confused.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='confused.gif'> what r u talking about? whose Telstra? maby you haven't noticed, but not everyone on the internet lives where you do, and so we don't get yur inside jokes.

RaVe · November 2003

</span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Stanley_txp @ Nov 29 2003, 12:55 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> </span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Night Shade @ Nov 28 2003, 10:23 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> </span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Stanley_txp @ Nov 29 2003, 11:08 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> WON and dialup go well togerthe, (their both dying mediums) <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif'> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'>
Tell that to Telstra. I can't get ANY FORM OF BROADBAND WHATSOFARKINGEVER <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/mad.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='mad.gif'> <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/asrifle.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='asrifle.gif'> telstra </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'>
<img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/confused.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='confused.gif'> what r u talking about? whose Telstra? maby you haven't noticed, but not everyone on the internet lives where you do, and so we don't get yur inside jokes.  </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> 
I suppose its in Australia, maybe Ill ask my friend later to send a complaint letter to them, capiche?

As for Steam, well, we have to move to Steam someday. So yeah, I guess VALVe followed what NS did.
It evolved.

But I feel sorry for those with 56k, I mean, theyre on 56k and WON was friendly, but now they have to DL a big installer, then install, then install some Steam updates....hopefully you can cut down the time if you have a friend with the Steam full cache, Broadband and a CDRW drive <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'>

Maxious · November 2003

telstra = the one and only phone company in australia that owns most of the telphgone lines. there are others but only optus has actual phone lines. so if you want adsl you have to go through them. generally not the brightest bunch (plenty of smart people but run by monkeys)

telstra used to have a steam content server but (this is so funny) it broke and valve didn't even return their emails. so it was taken down. this is the bit where the smart people shine... they have refused to put the server back till valve fixes their software and makes it so telstra customers can connect to only the telstra server so its free.

Quaunaut · November 2003

Actually from what I've seen, VALVe DID return their mails to all their different content servers and the such, only problem is the servers either A: got impatient, or B: didn't return VALVes.

VALVe's PR record is incredible compared to a lot of companies, and only since steam has their reputaion gone down, and thats because of one thing that they STILL don't understand(and niether do I)-

Counterstrike went open beta, allowed for anyone who d/led steam(which was only 750kb), 1.6 version, and only a extra 3,000 people got steam, when it became open beta. Then, it goes official, and they think the same thing is more or less gonna happen.

Instead, half the damned community all comes at once. VALVe's servers, and the original servers, didn't have a chance. Within 5 hours of release, 6 of 20 servers crashed, and needed PHYSICAL maintenence just to get back(BIGTIME overload). The other servers were very close to bad shape. Not to mention, a small glitch sneaked into the system, only problem is, that small glitched used the domino effect- 1 taking many. And because of 1 failure, it made many other failures.

In the end(aka, now), everything works. We just have stubborn idiots bashing steam.

Steam Or Not

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