Why Do They Make Movies This Way?
Hunty
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I feel that its an insult to our intelligence when movie makers do silly stuff like the following :
-Have the hero get shot by a large calibre round,usaully several times,and he survives because hes wearing a "bullet proof vest"....i dont remember when level IIA could stop AK47 rounds without a plate or something.
-Have the bad guys completely massacre a highly trained SWAT team without suffering any casaulties in a firefight,while a simple cop can wipe out 5 or 6 of these badguys with a revolver at once.
-Have the bad guys go in,kill the security guards or whatever,but when the hero comes along,they stand there and let themselves be shot.I cant count the number of times it extremely obvious that the bad guy is deliberately standing there to get punched,kicked,or shot.I mean he/she just stands there.Case scenario : Bad guy guarding corridor.Hero rounds corner.Badguy sees Hero,raises gun,and FREEZES with the gun raised,while the hero runs up and knocks him unconcious/shoots him/throws a knife.
-Have the police casted as completely clueless morons.I mean,does it take a rocket genius to figure out that in real life,a bunch of regular cops with revolvers wouldnt charge a bunch of ak47-wielding robbers and get slaughtered?I mean jesus.Or what about the part where 2-3 bad guys can just stand in the middle of the street and 10+ policemen cant hit them?
-Have the hero be completely invulnerable.Okay the actor is playing a hero,not supposed to die or it will spoil the story.But im talking about REALLY obvious "godmode h4x" stuff.A frag greande is thrown at the hero,and all he has to do is leap about a short distance to avoid being ripped apart by shrapnel and the blast.Or when a RPG hits the hero like 15 centimeters away from him,the hero flys into the air and lands without any shrapnel or serious injuries.Same thing for tank rounds,missles,etc,etc.
-Have the bad,or good guys suddenly becoming idiots.I mean,in some movies,the bad guys will be ripping through the good guys,and then suddenly,usaully because the hero arrives,they suddenly cant hit ****!We see people with military training,sniper rifles,laser sights,etc suddenly cant hit close-range targets that are wide in the open!I mean god.Or the time when a SWAT team will be killing the bad guys,then suddenly all of them get wiped out by a few bad guys(usually the mastermind)in 2 seconds flat!
-Have completely unrealistic things happen in movies.Im not talking about sci-fic movies or people dodging bullets in the matrix.But in the "normal" kind of movies.Ive seen countless movies whereby a guy can shoot someone with a shotgun,at long range,and they scream and collapse.Or have a group of SWAT snipers get headshot by guys with pistols when they are in another building.Or have a simple frag greande blow out out all the windows on a floor of a building,and have long flames gushing down corridors and consuming everything in its a path.For gods sake its a frag greande!Not 100 blocks of C4 explosives!
-Infinite ammo.This seriously annoys me.I dont care if its an action movie,i just CRINGE everytime i see someone shoot 20+ rounds out a revolver without reloading,or fire a SMG or rifle for at least 15 seconds with no reloading.I once saw a guy fire a sawed off shotgun at least 8 times with no reloads.
-Have the hero get shot by a large calibre round,usaully several times,and he survives because hes wearing a "bullet proof vest"....i dont remember when level IIA could stop AK47 rounds without a plate or something.
-Have the bad guys completely massacre a highly trained SWAT team without suffering any casaulties in a firefight,while a simple cop can wipe out 5 or 6 of these badguys with a revolver at once.
-Have the bad guys go in,kill the security guards or whatever,but when the hero comes along,they stand there and let themselves be shot.I cant count the number of times it extremely obvious that the bad guy is deliberately standing there to get punched,kicked,or shot.I mean he/she just stands there.Case scenario : Bad guy guarding corridor.Hero rounds corner.Badguy sees Hero,raises gun,and FREEZES with the gun raised,while the hero runs up and knocks him unconcious/shoots him/throws a knife.
-Have the police casted as completely clueless morons.I mean,does it take a rocket genius to figure out that in real life,a bunch of regular cops with revolvers wouldnt charge a bunch of ak47-wielding robbers and get slaughtered?I mean jesus.Or what about the part where 2-3 bad guys can just stand in the middle of the street and 10+ policemen cant hit them?
-Have the hero be completely invulnerable.Okay the actor is playing a hero,not supposed to die or it will spoil the story.But im talking about REALLY obvious "godmode h4x" stuff.A frag greande is thrown at the hero,and all he has to do is leap about a short distance to avoid being ripped apart by shrapnel and the blast.Or when a RPG hits the hero like 15 centimeters away from him,the hero flys into the air and lands without any shrapnel or serious injuries.Same thing for tank rounds,missles,etc,etc.
-Have the bad,or good guys suddenly becoming idiots.I mean,in some movies,the bad guys will be ripping through the good guys,and then suddenly,usaully because the hero arrives,they suddenly cant hit ****!We see people with military training,sniper rifles,laser sights,etc suddenly cant hit close-range targets that are wide in the open!I mean god.Or the time when a SWAT team will be killing the bad guys,then suddenly all of them get wiped out by a few bad guys(usually the mastermind)in 2 seconds flat!
-Have completely unrealistic things happen in movies.Im not talking about sci-fic movies or people dodging bullets in the matrix.But in the "normal" kind of movies.Ive seen countless movies whereby a guy can shoot someone with a shotgun,at long range,and they scream and collapse.Or have a group of SWAT snipers get headshot by guys with pistols when they are in another building.Or have a simple frag greande blow out out all the windows on a floor of a building,and have long flames gushing down corridors and consuming everything in its a path.For gods sake its a frag greande!Not 100 blocks of C4 explosives!
-Infinite ammo.This seriously annoys me.I dont care if its an action movie,i just CRINGE everytime i see someone shoot 20+ rounds out a revolver without reloading,or fire a SMG or rifle for at least 15 seconds with no reloading.I once saw a guy fire a sawed off shotgun at least 8 times with no reloads.
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A.) One hero/villin gets badly wounded and retreats slowly as the victor watches them stupidly
B.) Villin dies, sometimes majikly activating some device upon death in which the immediate area will become vapor in a few minutes
C.) Hero Dies, takes out villin with him in heroic stupidness
D.) Hero is mortally wounded trying to save Hostage X... Hostage X will then turn and take out the villin or wound him.
I to hate the infinite ammo... but what bugs me more is SHOOTING FROM THE HIP. Plz, if you EVER make a movie, and you see your actors shooting thier prop guns from the hip, slap them ok? No one shoots from the hip, NEVER! There are little things on top of your gun called sights for a reason.
Another thing, grenades dont explode with fire... unless it is a HE (High Explosive) Grenade or some napalm grenade... One more thing, when people are shot, most of the time THEY DONT EVEN FREKIN NOTICE... people do not fly 38237 feet when you shoot them with a gun in the chest. At the most they will drop to their knees in shock. But a rage filled druggie will not drop unless you get a CNS (Central Nerveous System) hit, which is basiclly the brain and the spinal cord. A human can live for quite along time MISSING THEIR HEART... One of the most vital organs, and that will almost never happen.
I myself am a small production director. I make small shorts for a multitude of different reasons. I make them as a hobby, i've made a number of small commercials for local businesses and charities. Throughout my movie making experiences i've come to appreciate the amount of work that goes into even the simplest scene, its taught me to appreciate a piece of film for what it is and the amount of work that goes into it, and not its horrible plotline or false acting.
though i can agree that sometimes such things as all powerful villians and invincible heros wheres thin at times.
In my opinion, guns are about the worst thing which could happen to suspenseful fight scenes. Nothing could be more boring than characters shooting at each other with automatic weapons with like one mile between them. The hero and the bad guy don't even need to see each other anymore before they die in a rain of bullets.
Swords are much better. Battles are longer, look better and most importantly, you get both antagonists in the same frame.
This is one of the reasons why samurai flicks own modern action movies.
(1) the good guy and the villain fight. the villain beats the hell out of the good guy. and then suddenly, the goodie thinks about his/her mom or smth and rises up and beats the bad guy very sevearely (good guy doesnt care about hes broken feet and hands etc when rising up and killing the bad man) to death..
(2)the bad guy catches the hero and then he does not kill him/her with a pistol, ooh no, he has a very idiotic trap made just for the hero. and then teh hero escaapes and kills everyone.
(3) sucky sucky is also that the good guy ALMOST kills the bad one and then says that he'll give life to the baddie and wont kill him/her. then the bad guy stands up and shoots, but the good guy has spidersense and he jumps to the side and fires some rounds at teh bad guy.
(4) it annoys me when some can take about million (yes, i exaggerated but still, almost like that) bullets and then survives. its crappy
(5) someone is in a car/building and then the place explodes like hell broke loose. the guy exits the explosion some secs after everything is blown to bits and then whipes some dust off his shoulder and makes action again.
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You need the Hero(es) and the Villain(s).
All the other guys get their little few lines of text and then may die... nobody notices anyway.
If the Hero dies, it must be a heroic death!
Nobody wants to see the Hero die in the first few minutes of the story because he slipped, fell and broke his neck.
So there are those epic fights of good vs evil... and of course the evil guy must be the dominant at first,
It's all for the drama.
They fight a bit, then the villain gets the upper hand.
And one second before the hero would die, something happens that turns the tides.
The Hero wins, get's the girl, everybody is happy.
Well... except for the villain.... and the 2538961 other people that died during the movie... and maybe us, the viewers.
Because we've seen this cheme over and over and over again.
And we DO WANT to see this cheme, because another cheme would just not fit an action movie.
I think the real problem is the way the "epic battle" is presented.
Let's use this moment at the final showdown, where the Hero manages to turn the tides and win, as example:
Example 1:
One of these days action movies comming directly from hollywood.
Hero and villain were fighting in a chemical lab.
The villain used some new technology something to kill the partner of the hero and has now hunted the hero into a corner... no way out.
Mr. Villain is aiming at the hero's head and sayin one of those annoying "Time to say good bye Mr. Hero" phrases.
In that moment the Hero suddenly realises that the console he is lying in front of has the "Press this button to trigger some nice pyro effects that blast Mr. Villain into pieces" label on it.
Bad guy fires, Hero dodges, yells the standard "This is for my co-star, who will not get an oscar because his death was acted poorly"-phrase and presses the button.
Bad guy dead, good guy heavily injured (of course not so heavy that he could not make love to the hot chick he rescued (accidently) in the end scene).
Happy End.... Booooooring... seen a thousand times.
Example 2:
One of those old Kung-Fu-Movies.
The Hero and the Villain have been fighting for 123759 days nonstop now and the tides turned about 13624 times a day. (that's a sum of btw 1686092616 'g').
Both fighters are heavily signed from the fight... both prepare their final "all-or-nothing-attack-of-doom" (including running on water, flying through the air, summoning half a dozent spirits and a dancing panda).
Final attack, special effects, explosions, a dead panda...
Both fighters are lying on the ground not moving... are they dead?
No.. the villain is moving... standing up and dragging himself over to the probably dead hero.
One of those "I told you, you had no chance"-phrases and everything seems to be over.
Until you see a finger of the hero moving... villain turning to go away we see the hero (blood everywhere) rise.
"Wanna leave so soon?" - "What the... you are dead!"
The hero focuses some mystical energy and shoots it at the villain... who dies of course.
At this time you have the Hero die himself, too... or alternatively have the cute girl he's in love with appear and heal him.
So... is this better than the first example?
Yes!
"But why? Their have the same cheme... and the second one is even more unrealistic than the first one!"
Simple because of the PRESENTATION.
It's not the cheme, it's the way the story, the music and the pictures fit together and touch the viewer.
"But what if i like the combination of Rock music and "Matrix" style special effects more than the "Hero" style of "epic ?" you may ask...
AND WE HAVE A WINNAR!
It's all about personal preference... it's that simple <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'><!--endemo-->
Personally I enjoy some of the mainstream-hollywood-action movies quite a lot (especially the 'classics' like Indiana Jones or Lethal Weapon).
But Hero for example was am outstanding movie... it was unrealistic but had a very special way of epic... music, pictures, colors, locations... they all fit perfectly together and made me enjoy it.
So, are those action movies an insult to our intelligence?
No I don't think so... because those movies are not about intelligence but our need for "heroic" elements and action.
But I consider the way a lot of these days action movies are trying to tell epic stories very disappointing and more an insult of my taste than my intelligence.
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I apologize for this posting to be that long... I didn't intent to write so much.
But I hope you at least enjoiyed reading it a bit.
Last one, in S-Mart (Shop Smart! Shop S-Mart!) and there's some "demonic she-****". He grabs a shotguns, fills it with ammo, and proceeds to pour about... god what was my count... 37? 37 shots out of this thing, in a row, wihtout pausing, while rolling down on a shopping cart <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'><!--endemo--> The entire movie is worth it just for that scene alone <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif'><!--endemo-->
Oh, and Hypergrip, that was so incredibly poorly formatted I couldn't even read it. Try harder with complete sentences and paragraph structure. Not every damn sentence is a new line.
If the scene is the grocery store, there will ALWAYS be a shopper with a stick of french bread sticking from her grocery cart.
If there is a huge pane of glass going back and forth across the street, a car will slam through it in a big car chase.
Same with fruit stand. If there is a fruit stand, a car WILL slam through it.
If there is a big window in a building, someone will fall or be pushed through it by the end of the movie.
If one of the co-stars talks about his wife and kids to the main character, he will die by the end of the movie.
Main character ALWAYS ALWAYS does the right thing, and never gets any credit for it whatsoever.
In the movie world, dogs have to bite postmen and cats have to be chased by dogs.
All average-paid joes live in middle-high class homes.
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A really cheap way to sell commercials.
In any case I'd like to see a list of these "film cops" favorite movies.
I enjoy movies. and god know a fight playing out like they do in real life would make a boring **** scene in a movie, same goes for car chases, escapes, just about everything. imo realism kills fun, in games and in movies.
Miniguns that cause trees to explode like 4 sticks of dynamite...
Miniguns that can actaully be carried and fired from the hip...
Future governers beating **** and taking names...
Arnies seemingly infinite number of underbarrel grenades...
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Damn I missed that part, what movie are you referring to here?
something I don't like about movies (this is an attempt to get this to a more discussiony topic) is how movies portray villians. In the old days, war movies would make the most horrendous stereotypes of ethnic villians (ww2 japanese fighter pilots for example). But now all the villians have a political ideology (usually fascist, communist, or kill-every-human-ist). Most of the time the villians are white, too. Daredevil was one of the few movies I've ever seen where the main boss is black (and he didn't die in the end anyway).
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Damn I missed that part, what movie are you referring to here? <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
Lots of chinese cop movies have that kind of scene.Those movies are commonly found on channel 8 in singapore.Channel U also.
It usually goes like this :
Bad guys rob a jewellery store/bank/whatever and are running to their escape car.
For some reason the hero and his partner magically deduces that the bad guys are gonna rob that particular jewellery store/bank/whatever,and has lots of policemen in the area.
As the bad guys run to their escape car,all the policemen appear and start firing at the bad guys,who STOP IN THE MIDDLE OF THE STREET and spam rounds from their AK47s/Pistols for a long time before they realise they should continue running to their escape car.And while they are in the middle of the street,no policemen can hit them for some inane reason....
And yea i can see how you guys dont want to watch too realistic movies,i dont too,but some stuff they put in just makes me wonder if they did their homework before doing the movie....
In my opinion, guns are about the worst thing which could happen to suspenseful fight scenes. Nothing could be more boring than characters shooting at each other with automatic weapons with like one mile between them. The hero and the bad guy don't even need to see each other anymore before they die in a rain of bullets.
Swords are much better. Battles are longer, look better and most importantly, you get both antagonists in the same frame.
This is one of the reasons why samurai flicks own modern action movies. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
Except for Equilibrium. Equilibrium brought all sorts of new potential to gun action with the Gun Katas:
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What does this mean to gun action? Really cool trwirling, fliping, cool **** **** that other wepons have had forever. The very last fight in Equilibrium (with Father) is the best gun fight I ever saw. Supposedly the director/writer was going to do something else with that scene that would have been much cooler, but didn't have the time and will do it in annother move, I can't wait <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'><!--endemo--> .
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*huge single tear on side of face*
-Have the hero get shot by a large calibre round,usaully several times,and he survives because hes wearing a "bullet proof vest"....i dont remember when level IIA could stop AK47 rounds without a plate or something.
-Have the bad guys completely massacre a highly trained SWAT team without suffering any casaulties in a firefight,while a simple cop can wipe out 5 or 6 of these badguys with a revolver at once.
-Have the bad guys go in,kill the security guards or whatever,but when the hero comes along,they stand there and let themselves be shot.I cant count the number of times it extremely obvious that the bad guy is deliberately standing there to get punched,kicked,or shot.I mean he/she just stands there.Case scenario : Bad guy guarding corridor.Hero rounds corner.Badguy sees Hero,raises gun,and FREEZES with the gun raised,while the hero runs up and knocks him unconcious/shoots him/throws a knife.
-Have the police casted as completely clueless morons.I mean,does it take a rocket genius to figure out that in real life,a bunch of regular cops with revolvers wouldnt charge a bunch of ak47-wielding robbers and get slaughtered?I mean jesus.Or what about the part where 2-3 bad guys can just stand in the middle of the street and 10+ policemen cant hit them?
-Have the hero be completely invulnerable.Okay the actor is playing a hero,not supposed to die or it will spoil the story.But im talking about REALLY obvious "godmode h4x" stuff.A frag greande is thrown at the hero,and all he has to do is leap about a short distance to avoid being ripped apart by shrapnel and the blast.Or when a RPG hits the hero like 15 centimeters away from him,the hero flys into the air and lands without any shrapnel or serious injuries.Same thing for tank rounds,missles,etc,etc.
-Have the bad,or good guys suddenly becoming idiots.I mean,in some movies,the bad guys will be ripping through the good guys,and then suddenly,usaully because the hero arrives,they suddenly cant hit ****!We see people with military training,sniper rifles,laser sights,etc suddenly cant hit close-range targets that are wide in the open!I mean god.Or the time when a SWAT team will be killing the bad guys,then suddenly all of them get wiped out by a few bad guys(usually the mastermind)in 2 seconds flat!
-Have completely unrealistic things happen in movies.Im not talking about sci-fic movies or people dodging bullets in the matrix.But in the "normal" kind of movies.Ive seen countless movies whereby a guy can shoot someone with a shotgun,at long range,and they scream and collapse.Or have a group of SWAT snipers get headshot by guys with pistols when they are in another building.Or have a simple frag greande blow out out all the windows on a floor of a building,and have long flames gushing down corridors and consuming everything in its a path.For gods sake its a frag greande!Not 100 blocks of C4 explosives!
-Infinite ammo.This seriously annoys me.I dont care if its an action movie,i just CRINGE everytime i see someone shoot 20+ rounds out a revolver without reloading,or fire a SMG or rifle for at least 15 seconds with no reloading.I once saw a guy fire a sawed off shotgun at least 8 times with no reloads. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
did you see this happen in a documentary or in an action flic? just because there arent dragons doesnt mean it isnt FANTASY. sadly, 90% of movies are of such the fantasy nature, it is simply more entertaining than real life.
something I don't like about movies (this is an attempt to get this to a more discussiony topic) is how movies portray villians. In the old days, war movies would make the most horrendous stereotypes of ethnic villians (ww2 japanese fighter pilots for example). But now all the villians have a political ideology (usually fascist, communist, or kill-every-human-ist). Most of the time the villians are white, too. Daredevil was one of the few movies I've ever seen where the main boss is black (and he didn't die in the end anyway). <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
I hate to take the wind out of your sales man - but that movie was a comedy - a spoof if you will. I cant count the number of nublings that have told me they hated that movie but go "omg no way it was serious".
You watch that movie the way the producers intended - for a laugh. The Uzi scene was rediculous - the sliding on your back down a snowy slope scene was ludicrous, the whole movie was a joke. It seems that a lot of people missed that.
"you're fired"
I mean shooting a missile carrying a man into a helicopter through a gutted floor in an office block isnt the stuff of a serious movie.