Should The Us Pay N. Korea What It Requests?
TheWizard
Join Date: 2002-12-11 Member: 10553Members, Constellation
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<div class="IPBDescription">They say the US owes them $43 Trillion</div> North Korea has estimate what it calls the total cost of US imperialist occupation. Therefore it requests that the US pay it 43 Trillion dollars (insert Dr. Evil laugh)
<a href='http://www.kcna.co.jp/item/2003/200312/news12/01.htm#16' target='_blank'>Article</a><!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Pyongyang, November 29 (KCNA) -- The Committee for the Peaceful Reunification of the Fatherland and the National Reunification Institute made public a memorandum on November 28 after making a joint comprehensive survey of the human and material damage caused by the U.S. imperialists to the south Korean people since it occupied south Korea on September 8, 1945 and estimating its total amount. The memorandum said:
The U.S. imperialists killed in cold blood at least 2,240,000 civilians and patriots or 10 percent of the population of south Korea right after their occupation of south Korea (September 1945-May 1950) and during the Korean war of aggression (June 1950-July 1953). At least 83,000 innocent people were killed by the U.S. imperialists' firing, violence, terrorism, robbery, rape, arson, deliberate traffic incident, spread of contagious diseases and spray of defoliant in the postwar period (August 1953-present).
According to compiled data, a total of over 2,323,000 people were killed and 6,520,000 wounded.
The amount of damage inflicted by the U.S. imperialists upon the south Korean people runs into astronomical figures. If the victims are considered to be still alive and the income to be earned by them during their lifetime plus its interest and the changed value of U.S. dollar, etc. are estimated by the calculation method according to the international usage, the amount of damage caused to the dead is estimated to be 9,343,020,050,000 U.S. dollars, the amount of damage to the wounded 13,105,728,120,000 U.S. dollars, bringing the total amount of human damage to 22,448,748,170,000 U.S. dollars.
If a total amount of damage including the confiscation of "enemy property," the levy of taxes, extortion of grains is estimated at the present price, it amounts to 4,281,665,880,000 U.S. dollars.
A total amount of damage caused by destruction runs into 5,145,398,340,000 U.S. dollars when estimated at the present price, and the amount of damage resulting from "aid" totals 2,341,469,900,000 U.S. dollars and the amount of damage incurred by trade and the market opening totals 1,413,903,760,000 U.S. dollars.
If the amount of damage caused by the infiltration of U.S. monopoly capital plus its interest is estimated at the present price, it comes to 4,233,270,160,000 U.S. dollars.
This means, in the final analysis, the U.S. imperialists have inflicted upon south Korea material and economic losses worth 17,415,708,040,000 U.S. dollars through plunder, destruction, "aid," trade and the market opening and the infiltration of capital since their occupation of south Korea.
Meanwhile, the loss south Korea has suffered due to the U.S. military bases totals 127,792,170,000 U.S. dollars and the loss incurred by its payment of the expenses for the upkeep of the U.S. troops in south Korea is estimated at 705,395,760,000 U.S. dollars.
South Korea's loss caused by the forced purchase of war equipment totals 1,083,633,580,000 U.S. dollars when its interest and the changed value of a U.S. dollar are taken into account.
The U.S. imperialists have staged a total of 13,700 war exercises of various forms in south Korea, counting only those made public. The amount of damage caused by them is estimated to be 577,742,910,000 U.S. dollars.
If the amount of damage caused to the land, forests and rivers and streams by environmental pollution and destruction is estimated on the basis of the expenses for restoring them to their original state, it totals 780 billion U.S. dollars.
A total amount of military damage the U.S. imperialists have inflicted upon south Korea totals 3,274,564,420,000 U.S. dollars.
They have vandalized and looted at least 38,100 cultural treasures since their occupation of south Korea. They are valued at hundreds of billions of U.S. dollars.
They have smuggled drug worth 12 billion U.S. dollars into south Korea during their presence in south Korea, rendering the people mentally and physically deranged.
They have brutally violated many south Korean women and reduced them to sexual slaves, producing hundreds of thousands of foreigners' **** and mixed-bloods.
The sexual damage caused by the U.S. imperialist aggressor troops to south Korea amounts to more than a hundred billion U.S. dollars even when it is calculated according to the standard of compensation to be made for the sexual slavery for the Imperial Japanese Army.
The above-said estimates are based on a scientific review of various data quoted by statistical yearbooks officially released by the south Korean authorities, publications printed in south Korea and abroad, testimonies of individuals, information available from political, financial, academic, press and various other circles of south Korea and reports of the U.S., Japanese and other foreign media.
The damage was surveyed according to the international usage and in conformity with the specific conditions of south Korea.
The amount of damage was estimated according to the formula commonly used worldwide.
The total amount of human and material damage the U.S. imperialists have inflicted upon the south Korean people for nearly 60 years since their occupation of south Korea runs into 43,139,020,630,000 U.S. dollars.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Thought we could have some more light-hearted discussions than the usual fare <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif'><!--endemo-->
I hope.
<a href='http://www.kcna.co.jp/item/2003/200312/news12/01.htm#16' target='_blank'>Article</a><!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Pyongyang, November 29 (KCNA) -- The Committee for the Peaceful Reunification of the Fatherland and the National Reunification Institute made public a memorandum on November 28 after making a joint comprehensive survey of the human and material damage caused by the U.S. imperialists to the south Korean people since it occupied south Korea on September 8, 1945 and estimating its total amount. The memorandum said:
The U.S. imperialists killed in cold blood at least 2,240,000 civilians and patriots or 10 percent of the population of south Korea right after their occupation of south Korea (September 1945-May 1950) and during the Korean war of aggression (June 1950-July 1953). At least 83,000 innocent people were killed by the U.S. imperialists' firing, violence, terrorism, robbery, rape, arson, deliberate traffic incident, spread of contagious diseases and spray of defoliant in the postwar period (August 1953-present).
According to compiled data, a total of over 2,323,000 people were killed and 6,520,000 wounded.
The amount of damage inflicted by the U.S. imperialists upon the south Korean people runs into astronomical figures. If the victims are considered to be still alive and the income to be earned by them during their lifetime plus its interest and the changed value of U.S. dollar, etc. are estimated by the calculation method according to the international usage, the amount of damage caused to the dead is estimated to be 9,343,020,050,000 U.S. dollars, the amount of damage to the wounded 13,105,728,120,000 U.S. dollars, bringing the total amount of human damage to 22,448,748,170,000 U.S. dollars.
If a total amount of damage including the confiscation of "enemy property," the levy of taxes, extortion of grains is estimated at the present price, it amounts to 4,281,665,880,000 U.S. dollars.
A total amount of damage caused by destruction runs into 5,145,398,340,000 U.S. dollars when estimated at the present price, and the amount of damage resulting from "aid" totals 2,341,469,900,000 U.S. dollars and the amount of damage incurred by trade and the market opening totals 1,413,903,760,000 U.S. dollars.
If the amount of damage caused by the infiltration of U.S. monopoly capital plus its interest is estimated at the present price, it comes to 4,233,270,160,000 U.S. dollars.
This means, in the final analysis, the U.S. imperialists have inflicted upon south Korea material and economic losses worth 17,415,708,040,000 U.S. dollars through plunder, destruction, "aid," trade and the market opening and the infiltration of capital since their occupation of south Korea.
Meanwhile, the loss south Korea has suffered due to the U.S. military bases totals 127,792,170,000 U.S. dollars and the loss incurred by its payment of the expenses for the upkeep of the U.S. troops in south Korea is estimated at 705,395,760,000 U.S. dollars.
South Korea's loss caused by the forced purchase of war equipment totals 1,083,633,580,000 U.S. dollars when its interest and the changed value of a U.S. dollar are taken into account.
The U.S. imperialists have staged a total of 13,700 war exercises of various forms in south Korea, counting only those made public. The amount of damage caused by them is estimated to be 577,742,910,000 U.S. dollars.
If the amount of damage caused to the land, forests and rivers and streams by environmental pollution and destruction is estimated on the basis of the expenses for restoring them to their original state, it totals 780 billion U.S. dollars.
A total amount of military damage the U.S. imperialists have inflicted upon south Korea totals 3,274,564,420,000 U.S. dollars.
They have vandalized and looted at least 38,100 cultural treasures since their occupation of south Korea. They are valued at hundreds of billions of U.S. dollars.
They have smuggled drug worth 12 billion U.S. dollars into south Korea during their presence in south Korea, rendering the people mentally and physically deranged.
They have brutally violated many south Korean women and reduced them to sexual slaves, producing hundreds of thousands of foreigners' **** and mixed-bloods.
The sexual damage caused by the U.S. imperialist aggressor troops to south Korea amounts to more than a hundred billion U.S. dollars even when it is calculated according to the standard of compensation to be made for the sexual slavery for the Imperial Japanese Army.
The above-said estimates are based on a scientific review of various data quoted by statistical yearbooks officially released by the south Korean authorities, publications printed in south Korea and abroad, testimonies of individuals, information available from political, financial, academic, press and various other circles of south Korea and reports of the U.S., Japanese and other foreign media.
The damage was surveyed according to the international usage and in conformity with the specific conditions of south Korea.
The amount of damage was estimated according to the formula commonly used worldwide.
The total amount of human and material damage the U.S. imperialists have inflicted upon the south Korean people for nearly 60 years since their occupation of south Korea runs into 43,139,020,630,000 U.S. dollars.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Thought we could have some more light-hearted discussions than the usual fare <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif'><!--endemo-->
I hope.
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Unfortunately, Bush spent all the money on the military. I guess we should just send them over.
Same thing, right? :-D
[EDIT]: It also seems obvious that the Koreans (At least the ones living on a place I like to call Earth) don't actually expect to receive this money. I remember reading some Clancy novels where such ridiculous requests were put forward to clog the bureucratic and diplomatic channels even more than usual, as a stalling or diversion tactic. Does anyone think this is relevant at all here?
Unfortunately, Bush spent all the money on the military. I guess we should just send them over.
Same thing, right? :-D <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
this time i'm with clearly in the "right" on this topic
Me (Big huge nation, lots of infrastructure, large military, great tech)
Other Guy (Small nation, behind in tech, has some military)
OG: Give me 75,000 in tribute NOW!
Me: No.
OG: WAR!
Me: **Crushes OG, absorbs nation**
In the simplest terms: They will never get their money. If they wanna scream and moan about it, thats their business. If they wanna make a big deal about it (war) they are gonna get crushed, nukes or no nukes. In fact, nukes would make things worse since even their allies wouldnt even stand beside them.
Unfortunately, Bush spent all the money on the military. I guess we should just send them over.
Same thing, right? :-D <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
Well, I bet you could pay by sending your choppers and tanks and fighters to koreans for use. They wouldn't probably mind a nuke or two either <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'><!--endemo-->
Send us a check for the $5 and we'll call it even.
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Ok, where's Jammer, and what have you done with him imposter!
<!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Lets take this from a Civilisation 3 perspective...
Me (Big huge nation, lots of infrastructure, large military, great tech)
Other Guy (Small nation, behind in tech, has some military)
OG: Give me 75,000 in tribute NOW!
Me: No.
OG: WAR!
Me: **Crushes OG, absorbs nation**
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Heh, that happens all the time. I just wish you could see the look on the other leader's face when divisions of modern armour overrun his entire civilisation in one turn. I still want to know how a spearman defeats a tank though. Really, I'm very curious. Humour me a little <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif'><!--endemo-->
Obviously not going to happen. On that principle 1/2 the world would be demanding money off the other half, who would then be demanding it off someone else.
N.Korea: "MOMMY!! AMERICA TOOK MY MONEY!! TELL HIM TO GIVE IT BACK!! WWAAAAAAAAA"
USA: "NO!! ITS MY MONEY!! WAAAAAAAAAAAA"
Get the picture? XD
[edit] Oo'eck, this isn't offtopic O_o. Hope my reply wasn't too childish, but I guess the points I rasied are valid[/edit]
On the topic though, there's no way the US would ever pay this. Mainly because the claim is unfounded and completly baseless. Plus it's rather hard to extract money from a country who occupies such a military position as the US. Especially when you're North Korea.
The sexual damage caused by the U.S. imperialist aggressor troops to south Korea amounts to more than a hundred billion U.S. dollars even when it is calculated according to the standard of compensation to be made for the sexual slavery for the Imperial Japanese Army<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
What the hell?
Oh please, like the American soliders did anything worse than what a communist regime did...
Man, this amount of pure **** in this is hilarious...!
I don't think the issue is so much what we'll do about the inane claim that's almost predetermined, but what would other countries do? Take France, Germany, Russia, Great Britain, Heck even Luxembourg.
Not at all. If you read that article again - most of the "crimes" committed by the US happened against the South Koreans. Its all "the Americans did THIS to South Korea". There are a few complaints about what the Americans did to North Korea, but mainly it rants about South Korea.
Not at all. If you read that article again - most of the "crimes" committed by the US happened against the South Koreans. Its all "the Americans did THIS to South Korea". There are a few complaints about what the Americans did to North Korea, but mainly it rants about South Korea.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Cronos:
"In the simplest terms: They will never get their money. If they wanna scream and moan about it, thats their business. If they wanna make a big deal about it (war) they are gonna get crushed, nukes or no nukes. In fact, nukes would make things worse since even their allies wouldnt even stand beside them. "
Bosnian:
"They should have picked an amount slightly below what it would cost to invade their country. They are doomed."
Beast:
"N.Korea: "MOMMY!! AMERICA TOOK MY MONEY!! TELL HIM TO GIVE IT BACK!! WWAAAAAAAAA"
USA: "NO!! ITS MY MONEY!! WAAAAAAAAAAAA"
Get the picture? XD"
The above posts were what I was referring to. I'm sure you'll see the reasons. It's not South Korea with the alleged nuclear weapons program, and it's not South Korea some think the U.S. might be dealing with next.
I thought this might be relevant: I happen to have an exchange student as a roommate, and he's from South Korea. We don't really talk about the situation in North Korea very much (his english isn't that great), but from what I gather, even though the U.S. freed them from communism in the past, they aren't held very highly nowadays. "freaking U.S" is how I believe he said Koreans sometimes refer to the United States. (Yeah the swear filter handled that.) Regardless of the reasons they feel that way, the fact is that some of them <b>do</b>.
BTW, I worked out the per capita sum I was asking for: using the CIA Factbook of a population of around 48.3 million people, $43 trillion dollars works out to about $890,000 per person currently alive in South Korea.
I don't realistically think 43 trillion means a damn to anybody. Can you picture it? Does that number have any relevance to anything you've ever experienced?
Heh, I think the North Koreans should be more concerned about getting money from the USSR (now Russia) and Japan for their actions against them. Why are they concerned about another country's problems, much less a country they seem to denounce. Of course this is some kind of ploy, nobody actually expects America to pay, we're just to cool for that. <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif'><!--endemo-->
Excuse me? By that logic I could just as easily say that you would be siding with the Republicans if they asked Europe for 100 billion dollars in payment for the US role in WWII. Neither claim makes any sense whatsoever. Though I do think the United States should be held responable for it's actions, the North invaded the South during the Korean war and the US responded to a South Korean request for help, plus the whole thing came with the support and endorsement of the UN. Many nations other than the US participated in the Korean war and it was all in accordance with international law.
So tell me, please, why I would support Kim's bizzare, illegal, senseless and downright stupid request. Just because I'm liberal minded doesn't mean I'm brain-dead.
:fluffles: truce!