Defenders

ZombieNinjaDoomLaserBabyZombieNinjaDoomLaserBaby Join Date: 2003-12-12 Member: 24281Members
<div class="IPBDescription">Cowardly?</div> Is it bad to just enjoy defending a base and welding everything? I'm a welding machine, and I sometimes feel like a jerk for not going out there and backing up my fellow marinies.

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  • ChargeCharge Join Date: 2003-02-05 Member: 13144Members
    <!--QuoteBegin--ZombieNinjaDoomLaserBaby+Dec 12 2003, 01:55 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (ZombieNinjaDoomLaserBaby @ Dec 12 2003, 01:55 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Is it bad to just enjoy defending a base and welding everything? I'm a welding machine, and I sometimes feel like a jerk for not going out there and backing up my fellow marinies. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    no
  • JoltGrisJoltGris Join Date: 2002-12-19 Member: 11143Members
    Well my friend, they suck you don't keep up the welding! ;D
  • ZombieNinjaDoomLaserBabyZombieNinjaDoomLaserBaby Join Date: 2003-12-12 Member: 24281Members
    <!--QuoteBegin--JoltGris+Dec 12 2003, 02:15 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (JoltGris @ Dec 12 2003, 02:15 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Well my friend, they suck you don't keep up the welding! ;D <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    What? Do you mean that the team would suck if I didn't weld?
  • ChargeCharge Join Date: 2003-02-05 Member: 13144Members
    <!--QuoteBegin--ZombieNinjaDoomLaserBaby+Dec 12 2003, 02:23 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (ZombieNinjaDoomLaserBaby @ Dec 12 2003, 02:23 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin--JoltGris+Dec 12 2003, 02:15 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (JoltGris @ Dec 12 2003, 02:15 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Well my friend, they suck you don't keep up the welding! ;D <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    What? Do you mean that the team would suck if I didn't weld? <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    yes:P
  • DragonMechDragonMech Join Date: 2003-09-19 Member: 21023Members, Constellation, Reinforced - Shadow
    Actually, one person staying in base welding everything can be the difference between a marine win and loss. Think of it this way: it's easier to destroy a building that has been damaged before, than one that is at 100% health. A repairman marine can also make hit-and-run attacks pointless.
  • ManawydanManawydan Join Date: 2003-11-19 Member: 23233Members, Constellation
    <!--QuoteBegin--ZombieNinjaDoomLaserBaby+Dec 12 2003, 06:55 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (ZombieNinjaDoomLaserBaby @ Dec 12 2003, 06:55 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Is it bad to just enjoy defending a base and welding everything? I'm a welding machine, and I sometimes feel like a jerk for not going out there and backing up my fellow marinies.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    You *are* backing them up though! You're making sure they have a place to go to for their upgrades, where they can safely respawn in (well, until you're about to be defeated anyway) and giving them someone to help defend the vital structures to take down hives.

    See yourself more as a medic. If anyone has a problem with that, then it's their problem. The game is about teamwork and this goes further than just a bunch full of Rambos.

    <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'><!--endemo-->
  • RedfordRedford Monorailcatfjord Join Date: 2002-04-28 Member: 528Members, NS1 Playtester
    If half your buildings are in the yellow, YES I think it's important there is at least one marine that runs around and welds everything. Ditto if we're sieging a hive and we need to hold an outpost - having a marine that focuses on keeping the TF and turrets repaired is a big help.
  • RipurRipur Join Date: 2002-11-05 Member: 7193Members
    also in early caming guard duty, you can more often than not convince teh Com to drop you a shottie to go with that welder. You can rack up some mad kills with an early shot and a well defended out post, if the skulks try rushing.
  • BogglesteinskyBogglesteinsky Join Date: 2002-12-24 Member: 11488Members
    On more organised Clan matches, you will quite often see a "Base Monkey" running around repairing structures, building the arms lab, while the rest of the team run off and siege the hive. They can be the difference between winning and losing, even on pubs.
  • ZombieNinjaDoomLaserBabyZombieNinjaDoomLaserBaby Join Date: 2003-12-12 Member: 24281Members
    Well, thank you guys. It's helped me a little. I'm so used to being an engy and a defender in other games, I felt like I got some flak for doing the same in this game.
  • BogglesteinskyBogglesteinsky Join Date: 2002-12-24 Member: 11488Members
    If people do give you flacl, unless it's from the commander, ignore it. They are usually lamers who dont even know how to spell teamwork. If the commander is shouting at everybody to go through the phase gate because they are attacking the other end, go through it. Being a base monkey is not just sitting in base for the whole game, you have to know when to get your butt in gear and help out on the field.
  • WyzcrakWyzcrak Pot Pie Aficionado Join Date: 2002-12-04 Member: 10447Forum Moderators, Constellation, NS2 Playtester, Squad Five Blue
    This can't be stressed enough:

    On our server, being assigned base guard is one of the highest honors a comm can bestow on a marine. Not always, but often.. it is the most important role a marine can play. It requires skill, dedication, focus, and patience in surprisingly the same manner that the other marine roles do.

    Wyzcrak
  • DragonMechDragonMech Join Date: 2003-09-19 Member: 21023Members, Constellation, Reinforced - Shadow
    edited December 2003
    What server would that be? After I get my computer back from the repair place (it took them a month last time, and they didn't fix the damn problem... sheesh) I think I'd like to visit a server like that.

    [EDIT]: now that I have my contacts in I can read his sig. NM.
  • SoulSkorpionSoulSkorpion Join Date: 2002-04-12 Member: 423Members
    <!--QuoteBegin--ZombieNinjaDoomLaserBaby+Dec 13 2003, 02:55 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (ZombieNinjaDoomLaserBaby @ Dec 13 2003, 02:55 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Is it bad to just enjoy defending a base and welding everything? I'm a welding machine, and I sometimes feel like a jerk for not going out there and backing up my fellow marinies. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    Defending's part of your job, d00d. Anyone who calls you a camper is an idiot <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'><!--endemo-->
  • ManawydanManawydan Join Date: 2003-11-19 Member: 23233Members, Constellation
    <!--QuoteBegin--ZombieNinjaDoomLaserBaby+Dec 13 2003, 08:18 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (ZombieNinjaDoomLaserBaby @ Dec 13 2003, 08:18 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Well, thank you guys. It's helped me a little. I'm so used to being an engy and a defender in other games, I felt like I got some flak for doing the same in this game.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    Same here - including my earlier role playing days. No matter which game it was, I normally took the healer role. Even when I used to LARP, I took some healing ability (UKers, who know the LARP system "Realm", will know that Supernaturalists were useless until later levels, spending points on abilities rather than armour and weapons, so the ability to at least heal yourself, and your team, was an important pick to take from the Healer skills). This made me one of the most sort after characters because I did the job well because I knew how to keep the fighters and spell casters alive which, in turn, meant that I was also defended and kept alive.

    You are doing the same. But, as pointed out by others, there are occasions when you will have leave the base to complete some task. However, if you help defend your team, because of the skills you have, they should see that (those who actually look at the teamwork from others rather than only see their own achievements) and help defend you with their skills.

    Good luck - and I hope to see your skills some day.
  • 7Bistromath7Bistromath Join Date: 2003-12-04 Member: 23928Members, Constellation
    edited December 2003
    Well, if I'm a marine, I'm either the talky squad leader type herding the cats and trying to convince the comm I've got a good plan, or the maintenance guy. Which one do you think most comms like more? <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif'><!--endemo-->

    PS: One thing I should hasten to add is that if you intend to be a maintenance guy, it's important to treat any place your team has a phase gate to as a part of your main base. Make regular patrol checks there when nothing is happening in 'rine start. You're often going to be the only eyes any place that doesn't have extensive turret cover has.
  • ZombieNinjaDoomLaserBabyZombieNinjaDoomLaserBaby Join Date: 2003-12-12 Member: 24281Members
    <!--QuoteBegin--007Bistromath+Dec 16 2003, 01:34 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (007Bistromath @ Dec 16 2003, 01:34 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Well, if I'm a marine, I'm either the talky squad leader type herding the cats and trying to convince the comm I've got a good plan, or the maintenance guy. Which one do you think most comms like more? <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif'><!--endemo--> <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    Dude, I'd totally say the first. <!--emo&;)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/wink.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink.gif'><!--endemo-->
  • 7Bistromath7Bistromath Join Date: 2003-12-04 Member: 23928Members, Constellation
    edited December 2003
    <!--QuoteBegin--ZombieNinjaDoomLaserBaby+Dec 16 2003, 01:37 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (ZombieNinjaDoomLaserBaby @ Dec 16 2003, 01:37 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Dude, I'd totally say the first.  <!--emo&;)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/wink.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink.gif'><!--endemo--> <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    Heh. Well, yeah, some of them do. I know when I'm in the chair I do, unless the guy doing that is A) an idiot or B) directly contradicting me. (See A in 90% of cases.) It's hard for me to do both planning and the working of the interface once things get hot and panicked. I usually try to set a general direction, and let my guys down in the pit set the actual pace.

    PS: Check out the PS in the last post, if you haven't already.
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