<!--QuoteBegin--Umbraed Monkey+Dec 15 2003, 08:22 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Umbraed Monkey @ Dec 15 2003, 08:22 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> I dont ususally post in caps but..
READ THE FRAGGING THREAD, ALL YOU NEED FOR BETA ACCESS IS TO GET FIVE OTHER GUYS AND MAKE A CLAN AND APPLY FOR VET STATUS. YOU DONT NEED ANY '1337' SKILLS AT ALL. HELL, YOU FIND FOUR OTHER RANDOM PEOPLE AND WE (me, you and four people = 6 <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'><!--endemo-->) CAN APPLY AS CLAN NSPLAYER AND WE WILL BE IN!!!!!!!!!1111!!!1!!1ONE
you dont even need to donate to a worthy cause!
edit: of course, unless clan nsplayer is taken <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif'><!--endemo--> <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> like iv been saying the ENTIRE time, i already have a clan thats applied, and i find the entire system to be completely useless and unfair.
<!--QuoteBegin--Zergling_Minor13-37+Dec 15 2003, 09:38 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Zergling_Minor13-37 @ Dec 15 2003, 09:38 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> 20 bucks is a bit much IMO, and dont you have to scrim atleast 5 times a week to keep the beta access? I say they go back to the old style of playtesting and just have 1 or 2 clans do it and dont tell anyone ANYTHING about the new release until it is out <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> ROFL. thats what they did in 2.0 and pub play got screwed.
<!--QuoteBegin--BrigadierWolf+Dec 15 2003, 11:47 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (BrigadierWolf @ Dec 15 2003, 11:47 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> I got status as a playtester not by donating money, But instead I dontated my free time. I did something for the NS team, and they gave me something back in return. But as far as I can tell, all YOURE giving the NS team is grief. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> holy ****, you people dont get it AT ALL. the entire point to all iv been saying is that the playtesting status is not being given out fairly.
like iv said before, iv been completely dedicated to this one game for over a year, and im dedicated to everything i do.
<!--QuoteBegin--Zyco+Dec 16 2003, 01:13 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Zyco @ Dec 16 2003, 01:13 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin--BrigadierWolf+Dec 15 2003, 11:47 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (BrigadierWolf @ Dec 15 2003, 11:47 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> I got status as a playtester not by donating money, But instead I dontated my free time. I did something for the NS team, and they gave me something back in return. But as far as I can tell, all YOURE giving the NS team is grief. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> holy ****, you people dont get it AT ALL. the entire point to all iv been saying is that the playtesting status is not being given out fairly.
like iv said before, iv been completely dedicated to this one game for over a year, and im dedicated to everything i do. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> Zyco for President.
Zyco, your original point was that Flayra and co should be releasing minor patches every once in a short while. Now your point is that playtester status is given out unfairly.
You know what? there is no fair and unfair. In the end noone 'deserves' playtester status anyway. The devs decided to give it to certain people and thats it. Just because someone has something doesnt mean everyone else needs to have it too. As sad as it is to believe, yours and my own 'dedication' to this game means nothing. Our 'dedication' is enjoying this game. You want something for recieving something someone gave you?
Im glad to know that you applied for the playtesting, hopefully youll get through the system soon. But before that comes along (or ns 3.0 itself), just be patient. The world is not fair, and noone owes you anything for playing ns.
<!--QuoteBegin--Rennex+Dec 16 2003, 01:17 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Rennex @ Dec 16 2003, 01:17 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin--Zyco+Dec 16 2003, 01:13 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Zyco @ Dec 16 2003, 01:13 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin--BrigadierWolf+Dec 15 2003, 11:47 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (BrigadierWolf @ Dec 15 2003, 11:47 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> I got status as a playtester not by donating money, But instead I dontated my free time. I did something for the NS team, and they gave me something back in return. But as far as I can tell, all YOURE giving the NS team is grief. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> holy ****, you people dont get it AT ALL. the entire point to all iv been saying is that the playtesting status is not being given out fairly.
like iv said before, iv been completely dedicated to this one game for over a year, and im dedicated to everything i do. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> Zyco for President. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> He gets my vote.
Also I just want to say that it's true what Zyco is saying, if any of you could use your thought process and think out what he is saying.
OK, First off, your only reason for stating Its Unfair seems to be because you arent playing the Beta right now. you wanna Play the Beta? Pay up. there you go. end of story. Now stop whining and become a Constellation member. Theres no such thing as a free ride.
<!--QuoteBegin--Zyco+Dec 16 2003, 06:13 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Zyco @ Dec 16 2003, 06:13 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin--BrigadierWolf+Dec 15 2003, 11:47 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (BrigadierWolf @ Dec 15 2003, 11:47 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> I got status as a playtester not by donating money, But instead I dontated my free time. I did something for the NS team, and they gave me something back in return. But as far as I can tell, all YOURE giving the NS team is grief. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> holy ****, you people dont get it AT ALL. the entire point to all iv been saying is that the playtesting status is not being given out fairly.
like iv said before, iv been completely dedicated to this one game for over a year, and im dedicated to everything i do. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> You realize that both HAMBONE and Elven are doing exam stuff right now, right? Try and be a little understanding that there are a TON of clans still waiting to be accepted. You sound like a five year old that isn't getting the toy that he wanted for christmas, so he's throwing a temper tantrum. They're busy. They don't turn ANYBODY down as long as they meet the basic requirements, just realize that they don't exactly have that much time right now, sit back, and WAIT.
[Edit: Yes, I understand what you are saying. You're wrong, but I understand it.]
<!--QuoteBegin--Soberana+Dec 16 2003, 01:57 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Soberana @ Dec 16 2003, 01:57 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> I wish all the veterans had skill >:( <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> That hasn't happened since I became a vet. It's not new.
<!--QuoteBegin--Zyco+Dec 16 2003, 07:13 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Zyco @ Dec 16 2003, 07:13 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> holy ****, you people dont get it AT ALL. the entire point to all iv been saying is that the playtesting status is not being given out fairly.
like iv said before, iv been completely dedicated to this one game for over a year, and im dedicated to everything i do. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> So, how do you suggest it is made fair? Let anyone who's played NS for over 6 months PT? Well thats a little hard to prove isn't it? Maybe people with a board account over 6 months? Not fair to all those who are just as good as the others but joined a little later really. Why not just open it up everyone? Oh no wait. Theres not enough servers, plus the chances of getting the testing done will probably be shot to hell with all the lamers that will join and exploit any and every available bug. (Eg. Egg killing in the previous build, or using the gorge exploit)
Oh, and why isn't the current system fair? Consties get in as a little thank you for their support and to balance the pub play a bit more. Seems fair enough. All the old vets and PTs were hand picked long before. The new vets balance the clan play a bit more, open to anyone who applies with a half decent clan.
And to be honest if you were so dedicated to the game why not join the constellation programme? Too expensive (Although it's about 1/2 the cost of a new game and actually helps Flay produce the game faster), well then play and enjoy the FREE NS2.0 until 3.0 is released.
<!--QuoteBegin--BrigadierWolf+Dec 16 2003, 12:10 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (BrigadierWolf @ Dec 16 2003, 12:10 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Yes, But you see, I did something for the TEAM, Not just the community. And Ive already offered to take any burden off theyre back If they need something done.
My point, however, is that these guys arent doing anything but whining about "Woe is me! For verily I shall not be playing 3.0 this eve!". <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> yes but that's only because you have the talent to do so. So it ends up as: if you can't make models/aren't in a clan/aren't buddy with Flayra then you have to pay $20. Its just a fact that some people have it easier than others. In either case I don't disagree with you, it's just that it is frustrating for some people knowing that they have to pay $20 to play a buggy beta. Of course that's their choice and I think the source of the complaint is that some people get it for free because of lucky circumstances and everyone else dips out.
I’m not going to whine about it because that’s just the way it is. Instead I’m going to send $20. <!--emo&;)--><img src='http://www.natural-selection.org/forums/html/emoticons/wink.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink.gif'><!--endemo-->
I could really careless about how they run their beta. But I think it would be etremely better for the mod as a whole to release it publicly. The way to do this is, set up an e-mail adress for signing up for the beta test only. And for whoever is intrested ask them a couple simpile questions like their system specs, and if they can run a Beta server. Then you make them sign an agreement saying that they know this is a beta and not the final build, and ofcourse you have to add something about not releasing it to anyone. Like I said before I don`t care how the ns team runs their Beta Testing, but must I bring up the 2.0 release?
I'd just like to tell my clan members to ease up on the ns staff. I have told you before that it would take some time to process, so just wait it out for either the beta o for the release. I personally am very found of the idea that the ns team came up with. As I was constellation member before. So Zyco and Mendevel, chill.
if i had 20 bucks to pay, i would. but i dont, i dont have a job, i always drain every last few bucks outa my account with anything i do, especially around christmas time. in fact i owe like 100 bucks right now. and i dont even have a freaking account cuz id have no money in there anyways, and just get swamped with fees or have it cancelled.
im sorry for stirring u all up and making u post the exact same thing (PAY 20 BUCKS! GET A NUB CLAN!), bu it pisses me off to see morons that come back from playing 3.0 that say "omg this game sux, the ns team so freaking stupid", and **** like that. all i really wanna do is help out with the testing, and make even a tiny difference if any at all, cuz i know this game inside out (well except for coding <!--emo&::nerdy::--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/nerd.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='nerd.gif'><!--endemo--> )
If everyone who wanted to play the beta was allowed in, or the program was publicly released then that would just end all hope of a balanced beta, for a start, theres about 10 beta servers, im not sure how it works but i think only 1 server company is allowed them, if it was public they would be constantly full.
Opening it to everyone would also have problems, sure some people might be dedicated to help testing the game, but if it was public then you would get the same lamers and idiots abusing bugs / being lame and generally being a hinderance to play as you get in 2.01.
Balancing for clan play is done by the veteran clans, which imo is enough now because almost all worthy clans (and some totaly newbie ones) have beta access already, i cant think of any other clans not in the vet program that could contribute anything more than the current clans do.
Public play is balanced by constelation members, who paid $20 to help development of NS, and again they are in plentyfull numbers for the amount of servers there are.
The bottom line is its Flayra's game and he can do whatever he wants with it. I can see perfectly why he would choose established clans and people who donated money to NS to help test his game further, rather than some bitter newbie who just wants to have a mess around in the beta, u can surely wait a few weeks untill the final release.
<!--QuoteBegin--Mythr1l+Dec 17 2003, 01:07 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Mythr1l @ Dec 17 2003, 01:07 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->"...rather than some bitter newbie who just wants to have a mess around in the beta, u can surely wait a few weeks untill the final release."<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> Not throwing out any personal insults, are we Mythr1l?
When I started this thread, I was angered and upset because <b>I thought there was an actual reason</b> why my clan wasn't allowed in the beta, and so I posted a lot. However, when I found out that it is just backlog among other bs, I pretty stopped posting in this thread hoping it would die.
And while my frustrations at not knowing if we will get to be in the beta or if we will have to wait until it comes out are burdensome, I am going to wait for whatever happens. I just hope I am not left *too* much in the dust due to the fact that my peers have had been able to play with the new lerk system, fixed hitboxes, mines that take up mass, and of course the blink-nerfed fade. As much as you can talk about "core skills," core skills alone don't cut it if one doesn't know the abilities of the weapons one can use.
I'm more frustrated that this system has to be so dependent on two awesome and dedicated people named HAMBONE and Elven, much <3 to you both. As wonderful as they are, they still are human and progress is hampered due to massive number of registrations and so few people to validate them. Unfortunately, as the headstart of my peers grows larger and larger I become more and more apprehensive at the thought of playing as a noob against people who have been gaining experience for far <span style='font-size:8pt;line-height:100%'>(proportionally speaking)</span> longer than I have.
I hope this helps end everyone's <b>kicking of this dead horse of a topic</b>.
And I hope you <i>elitist dogs </i>[j/k] are satisfied.
I was **** because my clan isn't getting beta, and I thought it was because HAMBONE doesn't like us (or etc.) Now that I've found out differently, I'm ashamed of my post and I hope it dies down, but due to my need for attention (sound familiar?) I must bring it backup, even at 6 pages.
<span style='font-size:8pt;line-height:100%'>WTH? Don't put words in my mouth, I never suspected HAMBONE of anything, if there were to be a reason it wouldnt be from someone's dislike of me/my clan, it would be my/our relative unknown status would be looked down upon by our elitist hierarchy, yes it exists. Thankfully this is not the case and I understand that. Moreover do not compare me to the likes of you, Last. I admit my first post was a little bit of a troll because I wanted discussion and hopefully an answer or resolution of some kind. Then I realized my ignorance and decided to stay out of it and let things die down. Unfortunately as things continued to grow worse, and people started calling me a "bitter newbie" I decided to speak up again and hopefully resolve the bad feelings just dripping from this thread</span>.
<b><span style='font-size:11pt;line-height:100%'>Bite-size version of my previous post (bear in mind its 3am my time):
-I started the thread out of ignorance, I now know better. -While I am frustrated that backlog is delaying my clans application, I realize that those in charge are doing their best, and thus I have resigned to wait. -The growing headstart in adapting to the new version that my peers have is troubling, but I will catch up... becuse I have to. -There is elitism in the community but on a community based on competition between its members a hierarchal system is bound to happen, oh well.</span></b>
PS Points aren't in any paticular order, and this post might not make to much sense, sorry. PPS If anyone wishes to flame me, you are welcome to: either pm or create a "Why Mendevel is Nubby" thread, I don't care. This thread is a waste of energy and bandwidth, no point in bumping it up again without good reason.
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I dont ususally post in caps but..
READ THE FRAGGING THREAD, ALL YOU NEED FOR BETA ACCESS IS TO GET FIVE OTHER GUYS AND MAKE A CLAN AND APPLY FOR VET STATUS. YOU DONT NEED ANY '1337' SKILLS AT ALL. HELL, YOU FIND FOUR OTHER RANDOM PEOPLE AND WE (me, you and four people = 6 <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'><!--endemo-->) CAN APPLY AS CLAN NSPLAYER AND WE WILL BE IN!!!!!!!!!1111!!!1!!1ONE
you dont even need to donate to a worthy cause!
edit: of course, unless clan nsplayer is taken <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif'><!--endemo--> <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
like iv been saying the ENTIRE time, i already have a clan thats applied, and i find the entire system to be completely useless and unfair.
I say they go back to the old style of playtesting and just have 1 or 2 clans do it and dont tell anyone ANYTHING about the new release until it is out <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
ROFL. thats what they did in 2.0 and pub play got screwed.
holy ****, you people dont get it AT ALL. the entire point to all iv been saying is that the playtesting status is not being given out fairly.
like iv said before, iv been completely dedicated to this one game for over a year, and im dedicated to everything i do.
holy ****, you people dont get it AT ALL. the entire point to all iv been saying is that the playtesting status is not being given out fairly.
like iv said before, iv been completely dedicated to this one game for over a year, and im dedicated to everything i do. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
Zyco for President.
You know what? there is no fair and unfair. In the end noone 'deserves' playtester status anyway. The devs decided to give it to certain people and thats it. Just because someone has something doesnt mean everyone else needs to have it too. As sad as it is to believe, yours and my own 'dedication' to this game means nothing. Our 'dedication' is enjoying this game. You want something for recieving something someone gave you?
Im glad to know that you applied for the playtesting, hopefully youll get through the system soon. But before that comes along (or ns 3.0 itself), just be patient. The world is not fair, and noone owes you anything for playing ns.
He basically lives off of the CM donations, as does NS. Get where i'm going with this?
Sure, if the beta was pub, he's still get his 10,000 CM's but hey, 30,000 is better! (<- random figures.)
holy ****, you people dont get it AT ALL. the entire point to all iv been saying is that the playtesting status is not being given out fairly.
like iv said before, iv been completely dedicated to this one game for over a year, and im dedicated to everything i do. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Zyco for President. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
He gets my vote.
Also I just want to say that it's true what Zyco is saying, if any of you could use your thought process and think out what he is saying.
holy ****, you people dont get it AT ALL. the entire point to all iv been saying is that the playtesting status is not being given out fairly.
like iv said before, iv been completely dedicated to this one game for over a year, and im dedicated to everything i do. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
You realize that both HAMBONE and Elven are doing exam stuff right now, right? Try and be a little understanding that there are a TON of clans still waiting to be accepted. You sound like a five year old that isn't getting the toy that he wanted for christmas, so he's throwing a temper tantrum. They're busy. They don't turn ANYBODY down as long as they meet the basic requirements, just realize that they don't exactly have that much time right now, sit back, and WAIT.
[Edit: Yes, I understand what you are saying. You're wrong, but I understand it.]
That hasn't happened since I became a vet. It's not new.
like iv said before, iv been completely dedicated to this one game for over a year, and im dedicated to everything i do. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
So, how do you suggest it is made fair?
Let anyone who's played NS for over 6 months PT? Well thats a little hard to prove isn't it?
Maybe people with a board account over 6 months? Not fair to all those who are just as good as the others but joined a little later really.
Why not just open it up everyone? Oh no wait. Theres not enough servers, plus the chances of getting the testing done will probably be shot to hell with all the lamers that will join and exploit any and every available bug. (Eg. Egg killing in the previous build, or using the gorge exploit)
Oh, and why isn't the current system fair?
Consties get in as a little thank you for their support and to balance the pub play a bit more. Seems fair enough.
All the old vets and PTs were hand picked long before.
The new vets balance the clan play a bit more, open to anyone who applies with a half decent clan.
And to be honest if you were so dedicated to the game why not join the constellation programme?
Too expensive (Although it's about 1/2 the cost of a new game and actually helps Flay produce the game faster), well then play and enjoy the FREE NS2.0 until 3.0 is released.
My point, however, is that these guys arent doing anything but whining about "Woe is me! For verily I shall not be playing 3.0 this eve!". <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
yes but that's only because you have the talent to do so. So it ends up as: if you can't make models/aren't in a clan/aren't buddy with Flayra then you have to pay $20. Its just a fact that some people have it easier than others. In either case I don't disagree with you, it's just that it is frustrating for some people knowing that they have to pay $20 to play a buggy beta. Of course that's their choice and I think the source of the complaint is that some people get it for free because of lucky circumstances and everyone else dips out.
I’m not going to whine about it because that’s just the way it is. Instead I’m going to send $20. <!--emo&;)--><img src='http://www.natural-selection.org/forums/html/emoticons/wink.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink.gif'><!--endemo-->
I have told you before that it would take some time to process, so just wait it out for either the beta o for the release. I personally am very found of the idea that the ns team came up with. As I was constellation member before. So Zyco and Mendevel, chill.
^_^
im sorry for stirring u all up and making u post the exact same thing (PAY 20 BUCKS! GET A NUB CLAN!), bu it pisses me off to see morons that come back from playing 3.0 that say "omg this game sux, the ns team so freaking stupid", and **** like that. all i really wanna do is help out with the testing, and make even a tiny difference if any at all, cuz i know this game inside out (well except for coding <!--emo&::nerdy::--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/nerd.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='nerd.gif'><!--endemo--> )
Opening it to everyone would also have problems, sure some people might be dedicated to help testing the game, but if it was public then you would get the same lamers and idiots abusing bugs / being lame and generally being a hinderance to play as you get in 2.01.
Balancing for clan play is done by the veteran clans, which imo is enough now because almost all worthy clans (and some totaly newbie ones) have beta access already, i cant think of any other clans not in the vet program that could contribute anything more than the current clans do.
Public play is balanced by constelation members, who paid $20 to help development of NS, and again they are in plentyfull numbers for the amount of servers there are.
The bottom line is its Flayra's game and he can do whatever he wants with it. I can see perfectly why he would choose established clans and people who donated money to NS to help test his game further, rather than some bitter newbie who just wants to have a mess around in the beta, u can surely wait a few weeks untill the final release.
Not throwing out any personal insults, are we Mythr1l?
When I started this thread, I was angered and upset because <b>I thought there was an actual reason</b> why my clan wasn't allowed in the beta, and so I posted a lot. However, when I found out that it is just backlog among other bs, I pretty stopped posting in this thread hoping it would die.
Unfortunately.... <span style='color:red'>It didn't</span>.
And while my frustrations at not knowing if we will get to be in the beta or if we will have to wait until it comes out are burdensome, I am going to wait for whatever happens. I just hope I am not left *too* much in the dust due to the fact that my peers have had been able to play with the new lerk system, fixed hitboxes, mines that take up mass, and of course the blink-nerfed fade. As much as you can talk about "core skills," core skills alone don't cut it if one doesn't know the abilities of the weapons one can use.
I'm more frustrated that this system has to be so dependent on two awesome and dedicated people named HAMBONE and Elven, much <3 to you both. As wonderful as they are, they still are human and progress is hampered due to massive number of registrations and so few people to validate them. Unfortunately, as the headstart of my peers grows larger and larger I become more and more apprehensive at the thought of playing as a noob against people who have been gaining experience for far <span style='font-size:8pt;line-height:100%'>(proportionally speaking)</span> longer than I have.
I hope this helps end everyone's <b>kicking of this dead horse of a topic</b>.
And I hope you <i>elitist dogs </i>[j/k] are satisfied.
much <3,
Mendevel
I was **** because my clan isn't getting beta, and I thought it was because HAMBONE doesn't like us (or etc.) Now that I've found out differently, I'm ashamed of my post and I hope it dies down, but due to my need for attention (sound familiar?) I must bring it backup, even at 6 pages.
<!--emo&???--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/confused.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='confused.gif'><!--endemo-->
<b><span style='font-size:11pt;line-height:100%'>Bite-size version of my previous post (bear in mind its 3am my time):
-I started the thread out of ignorance, I now know better.
-While I am frustrated that backlog is delaying my clans application, I realize that those in charge are doing their best, and thus I have resigned to wait.
-The growing headstart in adapting to the new version that my peers have is troubling, but I will catch up... becuse I have to.
-There is elitism in the community but on a community based on competition between its members a hierarchal system is bound to happen, oh well.</span></b>
PS Points aren't in any paticular order, and this post might not make to much sense, sorry.
PPS If anyone wishes to flame me, you are welcome to: either pm or create a "Why Mendevel is Nubby" thread,
I don't care. This thread is a waste of energy and bandwidth, no point in bumping it up again without good reason.
<span style='font-size:8pt;line-height:100%'>EDIT: Obvious nonsense correction</span>