Ns Un-original?
<div class="IPBDescription">A NS Play told me this... WTH?!?</div> Here is a copy of a log with Chackle calling NS Un-original, I'd just like to get other peoples opinions on the "originality" of NS and all its aspects, especially the creation of RTS/FPS on the HL Engine, and it that isn't original, then what is ...
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...if i've upset you by being more intelligent im sorry, go and play the un-original game, likewise i'll be playing a more original game like NS ..
Chackle -http://fun.from.hell.pl/2003-11-24/bubblewrap.swf says:
cs doesnt
Chackle -http://fun.from.hell.pl/2003-11-24/bubblewrap.swf says:
ns doesnt
Chackle -http://fun.from.hell.pl/2003-11-24/bubblewrap.swf says:
erm
Chackle -http://fun.from.hell.pl/2003-11-24/bubblewrap.swf says:
ns isnt really original
*TP* Thursday- | <a href='http://team-play.cjb.net' target='_blank'>http://team-play.cjb.net</a> | Damaged Knee :/ says:
lol
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says:
...if i've upset you by being more intelligent im sorry, go and play the un-original game, likewise i'll be playing a more original game like NS ..
Chackle -http://fun.from.hell.pl/2003-11-24/bubblewrap.swf says:
cs doesnt
Chackle -http://fun.from.hell.pl/2003-11-24/bubblewrap.swf says:
ns doesnt
Chackle -http://fun.from.hell.pl/2003-11-24/bubblewrap.swf says:
erm
Chackle -http://fun.from.hell.pl/2003-11-24/bubblewrap.swf says:
ns isnt really original
*TP* Thursday- | <a href='http://team-play.cjb.net' target='_blank'>http://team-play.cjb.net</a> | Damaged Knee :/ says:
lol
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What other game featured RTS/FPS before NS?
The only thing that is probably more original than NS is the spider gun from Unreal 2
Name a game where you have a commander as marines that gives you orders.
hmmmmmmm?
Name a game where you have a commander as marines that gives you orders.
hmmmmmmm? <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
Don't even attempt to justify NS as the first, it's universally understood that many more came before it. Allegiance, Battlezone, etc etc. Also, as far as the "commander view" you can turn to all the C&C games, Dune, Savage, Starcraft, Warcraft, hell, ANY RTS game.
I say again, NS wasn't and isn't the first game of it's type.
I may be wrong here, but wasn't Gloom the first one to do the combo of FPS/RTS? Not to mention all the games esuna just mentioned did in fact come first.
The thing is, while NS isn't the most original game out there, its definately the most well done right now.
As for the argument, it's irrelevant; there are no original ideas anymore, just interesting recombinations...
But either way, I've had the idea for a NS-like game for years now. I just don't know C++. If I did, I would be the "All loving Flayra" that everyone has nowadays.
I may be wrong here, but wasn't Gloom the first one to do the combo of FPS/RTS? <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
To be fair, I'm not sure if Gloom qualifies as an FPS/RTS.
Sure, it has buildings, but it has no real resource management besides knowing how many structures you can build with your points. Of course, this doesn't stop me from playing it a helluva lot more than I usually play NS, but that's a different story.
As for the argument, it's irrelevant; there are no original ideas anymore, just interesting recombinations... <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
Surely interesting recombinations make an original game?
As for the argument, it's irrelevant; there are no original ideas anymore, just interesting recombinations... <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Surely interesting recombinations make an original game?<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Yes and no.
Yes, in that if it is significantly different or adds a new twist to the concept, which makes it stand out, compared to the originals it's come from.
No, in that most things are no longer original. Harry Potter, SWAT, Love Actually, Elf, Master and Commander, Freaky Friday - all films that are out now but you can see the recombinations that have been used to create a new film. Look at LOTR and Alien and see what's spawned from that basis (hmm... Ripley and Gandalf against the Alien! *grin*).
NS is original in the HL universe - but you can see where some of the recombinations have come from (Dark Colony, Gloom et al).
Recycling isn't a bad thing - and if the new game/film/book/whatever floats your boat, it shouldn't matter what it is based on (Edit: Nor anyones opinion on it either! <!--emo&;)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/wink.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink.gif'><!--endemo--> )
As for the argument, it's irrelevant; there are no original ideas anymore, just interesting recombinations... <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
Nah... I've been playing PC games since I was 8. I'll stick by my opinion that Natural-selection is the most imaginative and ***ORIGINAL*** game I have ever played, and I've played them all. Science and Industry gets on my list too. You can't go wrong with bashing scientists with a suicase and running off with them....
*Nudges Monse* Cmon man, show some support. <!--emo&:0--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/wow.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wow.gif'><!--endemo-->
NS is the first of it's kind IN the HL community, not the whole gaming community. I don't see how it is unoriginal. It was inspired by the many sci-fi game and Flayra just happened to combine those many aspects of different games into one single game.
But however, you are entitled to your own opinions, I just happened to voice mine <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif'><!--endemo-->
Varity? Surely you mean variety? Randomness and variety in CS? Ok, does he play with 8 year olds or something?
Team Fortress 2 was going to have that back in 99 when it was about to come out......
Anyways, the idea of an fps-rts is original. But basically, it's the same as any rts. Theyre all the same, except maybe some of the units attack differently, or the resources are different.
Anyone who says otherwise or rates games on their originality simply cannot see the big picture. What matters is how well the material is presented, not so much the context in which it is. RTS/FPS isn't a NEW idea, but NS has done it in its own way, and that's what makes it fun. To knock a game off because it's un-original is not only to put a hex on every game ever made, but also to expose one's inability to give something a shot.
And speaking of FPS/RTS games Tribes could have a commander for both teams but it wasn't really needed.
stop the debate guys!
its just kids..
you liked making the point that it was chackle who said this.. couldnt you leave the person anon? no.. cos your trying to cause problems.
grow up. its xmas!
When something is applauded as being 'original' it can't be taken literally; it just means that they were more clever than others in hiding the resemblance to the material that influenced them.
Flay has always been absolutely straightforward about NS's influences (and has mentioned Aliens, Battlezone, Gloom, et al), and it's funny when people pop up and claim 'rip!', as if they're an intrepid, iconoclastic investigator (hooray for alliteration!), rather than some knee-jerk boob with poor research skills and a limited imagination.
I can't remember where I heard it, but it's been said that there were only a handful of original ideas and Shakespeare had them all, so we have to be content with rehashing those in new and innovative ways.
And is NS (relatively) new and (extremely) innovative? Damn straight, IMHO. <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'><!--endemo-->