Bleed or no?

Pindarus · October 2002

Hay guys,

I was wondering if the Aliens and Marines bleed, just the Marines? I think it would be cool if the aliens could rejen limbs.. just a thought tho (we dont want this to turn into quake 3 tho <img src="http://www.natural-selection.org/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':)'>

Zcaliber · October 2002

Bleeding when low on health would be good. However I don't think bleeding should actually effect your health, It would just be a good way to track enemys that are 'In the red'.

My 2¥.

Moleculor · October 2002

Well, when you shoot aliens, they bleed.... There's 'blood' or ichor on the walls. Marines don't though.

Gwahir · October 2002

ah that marine armor, so crazy, even stops blood flow instantly

JediYoshi · October 2002

Alien's blood: Green
Marine's blood: Red(I'm pretty sure)

No gibbing either

Lord_Frodo · October 2002

From the "Ideas FAQ":

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td><b>Quote</b> </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">- Blood, Gibs, and Gore: This has been discussed several times. It has been thrown out each time, for the same reasons. It has been decided that gore is not wanted or needed in NS. When you play it, you'll understand why.
</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>

Moleculor · October 2002

No, marine blood is non-existant (to my dismay) rather than red.

coil · October 2002

When a marine is hit, his armor throws off sparks (rather than splattering blood).

For the billionth time this has been brought up, you don't miss the blood. In fact, I'm a firm supporter of no human blood.

Moleculor · October 2002

I need to wake up.

<b><span style='color:lightblue'>*moved to General*</span></b>

Vyvn · October 2002

I don't care if the marines don't bleed, but the aliens had better give off a LOT of that green blood to make up for it.

Gwahir · October 2002

I don't understand how blood splattering around improves a game. Sure if you feel the urge for morbid humor and splatter enough around to paint the wall, fine, but in game it does next to nothing.
not quite 1/(infinite) but a fairly low number...

Comprox · October 2002

The only fluid that has enough time to come out of a marines body would be him leaking his pants when he sees a level 5 charging down the hall at 'im <img src="http://www.natural-selection.org/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=';)'>

Vyvn · October 2002

Actually, maybe the lack of blood won't be so bad at all--at least now my sister won't be launcing into one of her rants about how horrible it is to be playing violent computer games considering all that's going on in the world, like she does with CS. How silly of her <img src="http://www.natural-selection.org/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':D'>.

NS is fun for the whole family!
*cutscene to old man playing NS*
Old Man (in Old Man southern accent): Hm, I reckon the inside of this skulk's mouth looks a lot like my dentures. Except mine ain't as sharp.

DOOManiac · October 2002

Don't worry, there are many other outlets for your hostility :)

<img src="http://members.cox.net/doomaniac/senselessviolence.jpg" border="0">

Bob_the_Alien · October 2002

if you want blood so bad, impelement it yourself :\

its only about as hard as custom cross heirs (which isnt hard)

HaZy · October 2002

yep, they should definately have blood in ns. i mean take mortal kombat for example. that whole game was based around gore. remember how fun that was? do u know how much ppl care or even remotely remember mortal kombat today? man, the numbers are like...ummm...maybe that was a bad example. <img src="http://www.natural-selection.org/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':p'>

and they're even planning a new one. well, thats just...great... *sigh*

my point is, with or without gore ns will be a fantastic game. and amen to that. <img src="http://www.natural-selection.org/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=';)'>

Tenebrae · October 2002

Personally I prefer gore, it stops my little brother staring over my shoulder while I'm playing.
<img src="http://www.natural-selection.org/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/asrifle.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt='::asrifle::'> <img src="http://www.natural-selection.org/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tiny.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt='::onos::'>

CMEast · October 2002

It wont stop him staring, itll simply mean he doesnt see blood when he does stare.

Blood and sparks are only needed to show your hitting your target, otherwise its not neccesary. I suggest noone go on a campaign to reinstate blood, as was mentioned before this has been discussed many times. All youd do is annoy ops and things.

Sebly · October 2002

Man what's that screenie of? It looks cool <img src="http://www.natural-selection.org/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':D'>

Necro · October 2002

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td><b>Quote</b> (Moleculor @ Oct. 02 2002,02:26)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">I need to wake up.

<b><span style='color:lightblue'>*moved to General*</span></b></td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
wake up neo!

follow the white <img src="http://www.natural-selection.org/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/bob.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt='::skulk::'>

Outlaw_Star · October 2002

As i already said, make a 3rd party mod for blood. End of topic. People can have the non gore, and the gore version, there prefrence.

Zawath · October 2002

Blood is needed. Otherwise those little kiddies think that nothing happens when you shoot somebody with a shotgun.

Moleculor · October 2002

Only problem with a 3rd party alteration:

The lack of marine blood is probably code based (marines don't give off the decals of blood), rather than a simple lack of decals.

Ramses · October 2002

But you can change the spark-sprite to a blood-sprite. Only problem would be that then also the welder will bleed <img src="http://www.natural-selection.org/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':)'>

Skrift · October 2002

Well, I´m not unhappy about this at all. IMO a bleeding ARMOR looks stupid anyways. Let´s just wait and see.

RhoadsToNowhere · October 2002

I'm fully in support of the dev team's decision. You probably won't want to see any of these beautiful maps smeared with blood anyhow <img src="http://www.natural-selection.org/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':)'>

Bill · October 2002

I don't really care either way, but it does seem like a some what pointless feature considering the mod is for an M-rated game, meaning that any potential NS players will already be well accustomed to cartoonish amounts of gore, and also there is the fact that if people don't like gore they can simply turn it off in the option menu. *Shrug* Like I said I don't really care.

Moleculor · October 2002

Nope! The spark 'sprite' is actually the spark thingy from HL, rather than sprites.

coil · October 2002

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td><b>Quote</b> (Zawath @ Oct. 02 2002,10:38)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Blood is needed. Otherwise those little kiddies think that nothing happens when you shoot somebody with a shotgun.</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
I hope you're kidding. *sigh*

Anyway. The dev team's decision involves several points; one of those is tighter standards for games in other countries (for instance, I believe LucasArts had to remove or disable limb severing in Jedi Knight 2 for a German release). Without human blood, Natural Selection slides under most of those restrictions.

Beyond that, I play CS, SI, and even HLSP now, and I'm rather affronted by the amount of blood. NS doesn't suffer from lack of blood... I think it is benefitted by it.

As for this quote... of course people die when you shoot them with a shotgun. But they respawn a minute later, so it's ok.

>.< There's a line between fantasy and reality that most people are perfectly capable of drawing. Games are rated for target audiences just as movies are, and policing is finally getting stricter (my friend at Gamestop says they take it *very* seriously). Game manufacturers are as responsible as movie makers, IMO... parents need to stop thinking that a cathode-ray tube (translation: TV or monitor) can raise their children for them.

Venmoch · October 2002

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td><b>Quote</b> (DOOManiac @ Oct. 02 2002,03:14)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Don't worry, there are many other outlets for your hostility <img src="http://www.natural-selection.org/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':)'></td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
Heh, It ain't so bad then!

Relic25 · October 2002

Off-topic, but believe me, replacing those HL sparks is something I would looooove to change about NS, but it's beyond my capability to do so, as there isn't a sprite for it. Those buggers are coded or something, and I have no idea how to change them. Some nice hot blue, red, or indigo sparks would make a nice change.

Bleed or no?

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