<!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->First we'd like to get Natural Selection into retail as a stand-alone product. NS is gaining players every day, but it's still a modification without a PR-budget, so a retail launch would gain many more players and reviews. The game has been tested, played casually and played competitively by many thousands of players, so a retail release is relatively low-risk. This release would build the franchise name and build an even larger audience for our next offering.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> You can make the words say anything if you quote them out of context. This comes directly after your cut.<!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->After releasing NS into retail, we'd like to keep maintaining it while we work on our next, more ambitious, project. We'd like to build on what we've learned in our experience with RTS, FPS and social games, we want to build a next-generation, mass-appeal, retail smash-hit.
NS is first contact, NS2 will be the war...<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->This strongly implies that Flayra intends for NS2 to be a retail product. I trust UWE to stand by the claim they made before they had their name; Natural Selection is and always will be free.
<!--QuoteBegin---_Phoenix_-+Jan 1 2004, 03:33 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (-_Phoenix_- @ Jan 1 2004, 03:33 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->I'll take a stab at this using some old fashioned logic <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif'><!--endemo-->
NS will always be free and available as a mod for HL.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Because it already exists, yes, but there is no evidence for or against it's survival as a <b><u>developing</u></b> free mod (which is the point I was trying to make...). There are enough games out there where support is no longer available, nor is there anywhere to play them (if multiplayer) because the game has developed into another version.
<!--QuoteBegin---_Phoenix_-+Jan 1 2004, 03:33 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (-_Phoenix_- @ Jan 1 2004, 03:33 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Any retail will be in the same vein as DOD and CS. I'd imagine NS will still get supported but this wil get scaled back as a) NS2 takes over and b) it needs less doing with it.
Constellation will still continue, I see no reason why you will not always be able to donate and receive an icon in NS. <b>Nowhere</b> has Flayra said that consties will beta test future patches. This beta test was to say thanks and enable a bigger player base to test it. TBH it looks like this will be the last big patch anyway.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
<b>Nowhere</b> did I say Flayra had said it - it was a forward thinking question (thus the ? after it). There is also no real reason why Constellation should continue. If you look at the reason for Constellation:
<!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->...your money will go towards running this web site and supporting ongoing development. Development will not cease without your donation, but it can speed it up and ease the burden on the developers.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
This will be covered by the fincances of Flayra's company - so what will be the point of paying money to help keep up a website and aid development, that is funded by a company, for a product that you will, ultimately, have to pay? That's the point of asking if Constellation will still exist. I would like to think that my donation has helped NS grow but it's more than just having a little logo next to my name that, on some servers, isn't guaranteed to be there.
<!--QuoteBegin---_Phoenix_-+Jan 1 2004, 03:33 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (-_Phoenix_- @ Jan 1 2004, 03:33 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Any retail sales will go towards funding development of NS2, which I would imagine will be developed as a game in its own right rather then a mod i.e. if they can they'll license an engine although i'm unaware of the costs involved.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
None of what you have said is "old fashioned logic", merely your own take on the situation. <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif'><!--endemo-->
<!--QuoteBegin---_Phoenix_-+Jan 1 2004, 03:33 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (-_Phoenix_- @ Jan 1 2004, 03:33 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->TBH, this one line is very exciting:
<!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->NS is first contact, NS2 will be the war...<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
I only hope if Flyra does go and make his own company he is sucsessful so he can make us all more stuff!
And I still dont understand why everyone is bellyaching about this. If the game is not playable, why do you want it released? Have you ALWAYS been on time? I do believe some steps need to be taken as far as the dev team + gamers for more input or somthing. Altho I recently joined the constilation and have yet to view the secret forum 0_0 and am looking forward to some reading in there.
Of course, he leaves ns to play a game thats been delayed multiple times made by a company thats well known for delaying their games a lot. <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif'><!--endemo-->
<!--QuoteBegin--Forlorn+Jan 1 2004, 03:44 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Forlorn @ Jan 1 2004, 03:44 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin--Cold-NiTe+Jan 1 2004, 03:29 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Cold-NiTe @ Jan 1 2004, 03:29 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin--SageGaspar+Jan 1 2004, 12:52 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (SageGaspar @ Jan 1 2004, 12:52 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Damn, it's times like this when I'm glad I'm a lowly constie and not privy to any of this upper-echelon vet infighting <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'><!--endemo--><!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> It's not vet infighting, its PT v. VET. Course one second they are yelling at each other, the next second they are playing Svencoop. Just more proof of the power of SC. <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif'><!--endemo--> Man there sure are a lot of NS players that play that too, I'm pretty surprised. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> Firewater was a vet for the longest time before becoming a PT. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> I know, but it's more fun when you look at each different group VET's/PT's/PUBbers as opposing factions. Only when there is an argument involved of course.
<!--QuoteBegin--Clashen+Jan 1 2004, 09:36 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Clashen @ Jan 1 2004, 09:36 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--><!--QuoteBegin--Manawydan+Jan 1 2004, 04:25 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Manawydan @ Jan 1 2004, 04:25 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> I agree! <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'><!--endemo--> <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> GG with the Quotes <!--emo&;)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/wink.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink.gif'><!--endemo--><!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> I've edited the post so it would fix them, but they're not fixing...
EDIT: After saying that, I saw I'd missed a / before a quote and I removed my previous text. <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'><!--endemo-->
<!--QuoteBegin--Manawydan+Jan 1 2004, 06:35 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Manawydan @ Jan 1 2004, 06:35 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin--Clashen+Jan 1 2004, 09:36 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Clashen @ Jan 1 2004, 09:36 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--><!--QuoteBegin--Manawydan+Jan 1 2004, 04:25 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Manawydan @ Jan 1 2004, 04:25 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> I agree! <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'><!--endemo--> <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> GG with the Quotes <!--emo&;)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/wink.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink.gif'><!--endemo--><!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> I've edited the post so it would fix them, but they're not fixing... <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> I see your problem. Your very first quote, the one with an embedded quote within it, you never closed both it and the embedded quote.
<!--QuoteBegin--Cold-NiTe+Jan 1 2004, 11:38 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Cold-NiTe @ Jan 1 2004, 11:38 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->I see your problem. Your very first quote, the one with an embedded quote within it, you never closed both it and the embedded quote.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> Thanks for that - I saw problems with it after my "it won't fix" post <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif'><!--endemo-->
Could someone in here explain to me in words understandeable to a person of mediocre intelligence why it is so damn unmorallic of Flayra to get food on his table?
Just to cover me right now i didnt read all the posts but, Flayra wanting to go retail is great and im happy he does. 3.0 isnt held back do to this it is held back since it is not complete yet (would you play base ball w/only a ball, no bat or glove, I THINK NOT). And the last thing you compared NS going retail to CS going retail, RIGHT!!!!> Well isnt CS still available for dl for free?<!--emo&???--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/confused.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='confused.gif'><!--endemo-->? As i believe NS would be too.
So lets quit the fighting and crying, get along and have some fun. Life is too short to complain about everything. Imo complaining has never helped and i dont believe will ever help
<!--QuoteBegin--Nemesis Zero+Jan 2 2004, 12:27 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Nemesis Zero @ Jan 2 2004, 12:27 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Could someone in here explain to me in words understandeable to a person of mediocre intelligence why it is so damn unmorallic of Flayra to get food on his table? <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> It isnt Nem....
Retail NS = money = Flayra survives = more NS = more fun = everyone is happy!
<!--QuoteBegin--Firewater+Jan 1 2004, 07:36 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Firewater @ Jan 1 2004, 07:36 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <span style='color:white'>All said and done, he's still a member of this forum, so please be nice.</span> <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> Bad boy.
<!--QuoteBegin--Nemesis Zero+Jan 1 2004, 07:27 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Nemesis Zero @ Jan 1 2004, 07:27 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Could someone in here explain to me in words understandeable to a person of mediocre intelligence why it is so damn unmorallic of Flayra to get food on his table? <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> Capitalism is evil Nem. Duh!
oh snap wrong forum <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif'><!--endemo-->
I agree with you. The fact that a PROFESSIONAL game developer would expend years of his life on a mod with no payment for it really shows a dedication to the evolution of games. If he wants to turn his passion into profit, more power to him. Considering how risky starting a game company can be, his choice to form his own studio so he can advance his vision is pretty incredible.
Flayra has replaced Bill Roper as my gaming idol. <!--emo&::nerdy::--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/nerd.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='nerd.gif'><!--endemo-->
<!--QuoteBegin--Soberana+Jan 1 2004, 10:20 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Soberana @ Jan 1 2004, 10:20 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin--Firewater+Jan 1 2004, 07:36 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Firewater @ Jan 1 2004, 07:36 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <span style='color:white'>All said and done, he's still a member of this forum, so please be nice.</span> <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> Bad boy.
<!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->First we'd like to get Natural Selection into retail as a stand-alone product. NS is gaining players every day, but it's still a modification without a PR-budget, so a retail launch would gain many more players and reviews. The game has been tested, played casually and played competitively by many thousands of players, so a retail release is relatively low-risk. This release would build the franchise name and build an even larger audience for our next offering.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> You can make the words say anything if you quote them out of context. This comes directly after your cut.<!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->After releasing NS into retail, we'd like to keep maintaining it while we work on our next, more ambitious, project. We'd like to build on what we've learned in our experience with RTS, FPS and social games, we want to build a next-generation, mass-appeal, retail smash-hit.
NS is first contact, NS2 will be the war...<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->This strongly implies that Flayra intends for NS2 to be a retail product. I trust UWE to stand by the claim they made before they had their name; Natural Selection is and always will be free. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> What? I wasn't implying anything. I know that NS will always remain free. I was just pointing out where scooter got his mis-impression from.
<!--QuoteBegin--Bad HAL 9000+Jan 1 2004, 10:22 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Bad HAL 9000 @ Jan 1 2004, 10:22 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->arrrg, i cant stand that game<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> You hate Svencoop??? <!--emo&:0--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/wow.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wow.gif'><!--endemo--> Gasp! <span style='color:red'>Infidel!</span>
<!--QuoteBegin--Bad HAL 9000+Jan 2 2004, 12:50 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Bad HAL 9000 @ Jan 2 2004, 12:50 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> lol sorry, I just got it. I cant play it for more then 20 min at a time. I still cant figure out WTH im doing in it <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> I'm sure a bad **** AI machine like yourself should have no troubles playing svencoop
<!--QuoteBegin--MrMojo+Jan 1 2004, 12:51 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (MrMojo @ Jan 1 2004, 12:51 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> 1) It's delayed because Ns 3.0 is unplayable. 2) The possibility of a game company is far off into the future and won't affect the NS releases for a couple of years at least. 3) Should Flayra have said "When it's done"? He has a life too, you know. 4) If this is the way you were going to act, I'm glad you're not playing anymore. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> OMG, we have to wait a couple of years before NS is released!
<!--QuoteBegin--Forlorn+Jan 2 2004, 12:55 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Forlorn @ Jan 2 2004, 12:55 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin--Bad HAL 9000+Jan 2 2004, 12:50 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Bad HAL 9000 @ Jan 2 2004, 12:50 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> lol sorry, I just got it. I cant play it for more then 20 min at a time. I still cant figure out WTH im doing in it <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> I'm sure a bad **** AI machine like yourself should have no troubles playing svencoop <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> Dude, omgWTHbbq... AI <b>DIE</b> in svencoop. If anything, his being horrible at the game simply points out that he is just like those poor ingame AI, being slaughtered continuously.
<!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->The point is that 3.0 has been delayed past its holiday season release date not in order to stamp out bugs (the majority of which have probably already been fixed in the unreleased build), but rather to buy time to find a buyer that can put NS retail on the shelves, and this in my view is unacceptable. To make matters worse, this was all done without any official explanation from the NS team. Flayra needs to change the way he's doing things. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Have you played the latest build of 3.0? Seriously, have you? Because you obviously have no idea how unbalanced and quite frankly, boring it is right now. It's delayed because:
a) There are still bugs. Nasty ones.
b) Combat is pretty much dead boring. Every game is rush to onos/rush to jetpack-shotgun. It needs a lot of extra work
c) Unbalance is still present in both Combat and Classic
If 3.0 was released now, the community would go beserk within a week with complaints. The game's playerbase would plummet like a rock as legions of fans left this great mod.
When you're cooking a cake, you don't take it out of the oven before it's finished. 3.0 is no differant.
Sven? <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> What I said was nothing far from the truth,
and I'm downloading Sven now. crappy DSL only lets me go like 90k/sec <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> I win. I downloaded SC 3.0 at ~600kbps. I love my cable internet.
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<!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->First we'd like to get Natural Selection into retail as a stand-alone product. NS is gaining players every day, but it's still a modification without a PR-budget, so a retail launch would gain many more players and reviews. The game has been tested, played casually and played competitively by many thousands of players, so a retail release is relatively low-risk. This release would build the franchise name and build an even larger audience for our next offering.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
You can make the words say anything if you quote them out of context. This comes directly after your cut.<!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->After releasing NS into retail, we'd like to keep maintaining it while we work on our next, more ambitious, project. We'd like to build on what we've learned in our experience with RTS, FPS and social games, we want to build a next-generation, mass-appeal, retail smash-hit.
NS is first contact, NS2 will be the war...<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->This strongly implies that Flayra intends for NS2 to be a retail product. I trust UWE to stand by the claim they made before they had their name; Natural Selection is and always will be free.
NS will always be free and available as a mod for HL.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Because it already exists, yes, but there is no evidence for or against it's survival as a <b><u>developing</u></b> free mod (which is the point I was trying to make...). There are enough games out there where support is no longer available, nor is there anywhere to play them (if multiplayer) because the game has developed into another version.
<!--QuoteBegin---_Phoenix_-+Jan 1 2004, 03:33 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (-_Phoenix_- @ Jan 1 2004, 03:33 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Any retail will be in the same vein as DOD and CS. I'd imagine NS will still get supported but this wil get scaled back as a) NS2 takes over and b) it needs less doing with it.
Constellation will still continue, I see no reason why you will not always be able to donate and receive an icon in NS. <b>Nowhere</b> has Flayra said that consties will beta test future patches. This beta test was to say thanks and enable a bigger player base to test it. TBH it looks like this will be the last big patch anyway.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
<b>Nowhere</b> did I say Flayra had said it - it was a forward thinking question (thus the ? after it). There is also no real reason why Constellation should continue. If you look at the reason for Constellation:
<!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->...your money will go towards running this web site and supporting ongoing development. Development will not cease without your donation, but it can speed it up and ease the burden on the developers.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
This will be covered by the fincances of Flayra's company - so what will be the point of paying money to help keep up a website and aid development, that is funded by a company, for a product that you will, ultimately, have to pay? That's the point of asking if Constellation will still exist. I would like to think that my donation has helped NS grow but it's more than just having a little logo next to my name that, on some servers, isn't guaranteed to be there.
<!--QuoteBegin---_Phoenix_-+Jan 1 2004, 03:33 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (-_Phoenix_- @ Jan 1 2004, 03:33 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Any retail sales will go towards funding development of NS2, which I would imagine will be developed as a game in its own right rather then a mod i.e. if they can they'll license an engine although i'm unaware of the costs involved.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
None of what you have said is "old fashioned logic", merely your own take on the situation. <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif'><!--endemo-->
<!--QuoteBegin---_Phoenix_-+Jan 1 2004, 03:33 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (-_Phoenix_- @ Jan 1 2004, 03:33 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->TBH, this one line is very exciting:
<!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->NS is first contact, NS2 will be the war...<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Woot!!<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
I agree! <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'><!--endemo-->
GG with the Quotes <!--emo&;)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/wink.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink.gif'><!--endemo-->
I only hope if Flyra does go and make his own company he is sucsessful so he can make us all more stuff!
And I still dont understand why everyone is bellyaching about this. If the game is not playable, why do you want it released? Have you ALWAYS been on time? I do believe some steps need to be taken as far as the dev team + gamers for more input or somthing. Altho I recently joined the constilation and have yet to view the secret forum 0_0 and am looking forward to some reading in there.
Couldn't hurt.
It's not vet infighting, its PT v. VET. Course one second they are yelling at each other, the next second they are playing Svencoop. Just more proof of the power of SC. <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif'><!--endemo--> Man there sure are a lot of NS players that play that too, I'm pretty surprised. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Firewater was a vet for the longest time before becoming a PT. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
I know, but it's more fun when you look at each different group VET's/PT's/PUBbers as opposing factions. Only when there is an argument involved of course.
GG with the Quotes <!--emo&;)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/wink.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink.gif'><!--endemo--><!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
I've edited the post so it would fix them, but they're not fixing...
EDIT: After saying that, I saw I'd missed a / before a quote and I removed my previous text. <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'><!--endemo-->
GG with the Quotes <!--emo&;)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/wink.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink.gif'><!--endemo--><!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
I've edited the post so it would fix them, but they're not fixing... <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
I see your problem. Your very first quote, the one with an embedded quote within it, you never closed both it and the embedded quote.
*EDIT* GJ Mana, Onos down.
Thanks for that - I saw problems with it after my "it won't fix" post <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif'><!--endemo-->
So lets quit the fighting and crying, get along and have some fun. Life is too short to complain about everything. Imo complaining has never helped and i dont believe will ever help
Im out Peace and Chicken Grease
evil | Turtle -op-
It isnt Nem....
Retail NS = money = Flayra survives = more NS = more fun = everyone is happy!
Bad boy.
<span style='font-size:21pt;line-height:100%'>B<<<</span>
Sven?
Capitalism is evil Nem. Duh!
oh snap wrong forum <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif'><!--endemo-->
I agree with you. The fact that a PROFESSIONAL game developer would expend years of his life on a mod with no payment for it really shows a dedication to the evolution of games. If he wants to turn his passion into profit, more power to him. Considering how risky starting a game company can be, his choice to form his own studio so he can advance his vision is pretty incredible.
Flayra has replaced Bill Roper as my gaming idol. <!--emo&::nerdy::--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/nerd.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='nerd.gif'><!--endemo-->
Bad boy.
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Sven? <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
What I said was nothing far from the truth,
and I'm downloading Sven now. crappy DSL only lets me go like 90k/sec
<!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->First we'd like to get Natural Selection into retail as a stand-alone product. NS is gaining players every day, but it's still a modification without a PR-budget, so a retail launch would gain many more players and reviews. The game has been tested, played casually and played competitively by many thousands of players, so a retail release is relatively low-risk. This release would build the franchise name and build an even larger audience for our next offering.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
You can make the words say anything if you quote them out of context. This comes directly after your cut.<!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->After releasing NS into retail, we'd like to keep maintaining it while we work on our next, more ambitious, project. We'd like to build on what we've learned in our experience with RTS, FPS and social games, we want to build a next-generation, mass-appeal, retail smash-hit.
NS is first contact, NS2 will be the war...<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->This strongly implies that Flayra intends for NS2 to be a retail product. I trust UWE to stand by the claim they made before they had their name; Natural Selection is and always will be free. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
What? I wasn't implying anything. I know that NS will always remain free. I was just pointing out where scooter got his mis-impression from.
You hate Svencoop??? <!--emo&:0--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/wow.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wow.gif'><!--endemo--> Gasp! <span style='color:red'>Infidel!</span>
I'm sure a bad **** AI machine like yourself should have no troubles playing svencoop
2) The possibility of a game company is far off into the future and won't affect the NS releases for a couple of years at least.
3) Should Flayra have said "When it's done"? He has a life too, you know.
4) If this is the way you were going to act, I'm glad you're not playing anymore. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
OMG, we have to wait a couple of years before NS is released!
gg flay. <!--emo&::marine::--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/marine.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='marine.gif'><!--endemo-->
I'm sure a bad **** AI machine like yourself should have no troubles playing svencoop <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
Dude, omgWTHbbq... AI <b>DIE</b> in svencoop. If anything, his being horrible at the game simply points out that he is just like those poor ingame AI, being slaughtered continuously.
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Have you played the latest build of 3.0? Seriously, have you? Because you obviously have no idea how unbalanced and quite frankly, boring it is right now. It's delayed because:
a) There are still bugs. Nasty ones.
b) Combat is pretty much dead boring. Every game is rush to onos/rush to jetpack-shotgun. It needs a lot of extra work
c) Unbalance is still present in both Combat and Classic
If 3.0 was released now, the community would go beserk within a week with complaints. The game's playerbase would plummet like a rock as legions of fans left this great mod.
When you're cooking a cake, you don't take it out of the oven before it's finished. 3.0 is no differant.
Bad boy.
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Sven? <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
What I said was nothing far from the truth,
and I'm downloading Sven now. crappy DSL only lets me go like 90k/sec <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
I win. I downloaded SC 3.0 at ~600kbps. I love my cable internet.
(Thread sufficiently derailed!)