Cl_rate In 3.xx

DrekDrek Join Date: 2002-12-19 Member: 11165Members
edited January 2004 in NS General Discussion
I was meandering through the 3.xx changelog when I stumbled onto this little bomb...

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Before I start ranting and raving about this, I want to clear up some questions up for myself.

1. Does this mean that the "rate" cvar no longer does anything as well?

2. How is this going to affect rate management plugins like Blatt Rate, and the AMX rate management plugin?

I'm hoping that the answers to this are 1. "No", and 2. "Not at all." If the answers are 1. "Yes", and 2. "They no longer work." this is going to be yet another nail in the coffin for players on dial up, and people running servers on anything less than a T1 connection...

I'm wondering what kind of an exploit could warrant disabling a key component to making the game playable for the above mentioned people on dial up, and those running bandwidth challenged servers?
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  • TalesinTalesin Our own little well of hate Join Date: 2002-11-08 Member: 7710NS1 Playtester, Forum Moderators
    Lagspiking. Essentially, someone setting up things so they seem to 'mega-lag' for a moment... or at least the server thought they were. It's one of the ways that some people 'speed up' their weapon to insane levels.
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  • AlignAlign Remain Calm Join Date: 2002-11-02 Member: 5216Forum Moderators, Constellation
    So like a speedhack? Well, except much more unpredictable.
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  • serioushamseriousham Join Date: 2003-12-09 Member: 24174Members
    It simply means it's automatic now,
    no problem for dail-up.
    (well no more then usual)
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  • AlcapwnAlcapwn &quot;War is the science of destruction&quot; - John Abbot Join Date: 2003-06-21 Member: 17590Members
    sounds good to me <!--emo&;)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/wink.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink.gif'><!--endemo-->
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  • rknZrknZ Join Date: 2003-10-23 Member: 21885Members
    edited January 2004
    The rate command still works fine, but the cl_rate could be changed so your surroundings seemed fine to you, but to everyone else you kept lagging all over the place, making you unpedictable and hard to hit...

    EDIT: So dial-up should be fine <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'><!--endemo-->
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  • LucidLucid Join Date: 2002-12-11 Member: 10534Members, Constellation
    join an empty server with a friend, have him set cl_rate to 1000, then have him run around as a skulk. Watch how ridiculous it is. He'll be choppy as hell on your screen, but everything will be perfectly smooth on his screen.
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  • meatballmeatball Join Date: 2003-05-10 Member: 16196Members
    <!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->but to everyone else you kept lagging all over the place, making you unpedictable and hard to hit...
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    if i remember it correctly thats how it was to play on my old connection (all the other guys was lagging around on my screen)
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  • AlignAlign Remain Calm Join Date: 2002-11-02 Member: 5216Forum Moderators, Constellation
    That would be a low "rate" then, the server-to-client bitrate.
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  • ForlornForlorn Join Date: 2002-11-01 Member: 2634Banned
    rate is what how fast you take stuff from the server.

    cl_rate is how fast you send stuff to the server.

    These are the uploads and download speed commands basically.

    Obviously, screwing around with cl_rate will give the server a slow amount of data on you, and therefore other players will see the lack of data in the form of a player with super choppy movements.
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  • DrekDrek Join Date: 2002-12-19 Member: 11165Members
    I understand now, thanks for the info. No need for me to panic I guess... <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'><!--endemo-->
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