Uproar Over Release Of Suicide Bomber Video
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I won't post the link to the video itself, as that would probably get this thread locked in a hurry. However any smart cookie can find it if he or she decides to go looking.
Please don't let this topic get out of hand. This is not a "who started it/who's at fault" topic. I'd just like your opinion on the uproar over such graphic footage being released to the public.
Personally, I think it's about time. You can't appreciate the gravity and horror of the situation when they just say "11 dead in suicide bus bombing" on the news. When you SEE what's left of those people, it's really sobering.
While I don't think it should be displayed on TV, I don't see anything wrong with it being available. If you don't wish to view such things, then don't download it.
I think they have a point when they mention that the israelis are critisized for building a fence to protect against attacks, while those same people seem to excuse such attacks against civilians. Building a barrier standing in the way of peace? Hardly-
Quite frankly, I don't see why Israel hasn't been showing it all along. Or perhaps showing bits of terrorist being buried in pigsblood. But that wouldn't be PC. They've tolerated this much longer than I would have.
I won't post the link to the video itself, as that would probably get this thread locked in a hurry. However any smart cookie can find it if he or she decides to go looking.
Please don't let this topic get out of hand. This is not a "who started it/who's at fault" topic. I'd just like your opinion on the uproar over such graphic footage being released to the public.
Personally, I think it's about time. You can't appreciate the gravity and horror of the situation when they just say "11 dead in suicide bus bombing" on the news. When you SEE what's left of those people, it's really sobering.
While I don't think it should be displayed on TV, I don't see anything wrong with it being available. If you don't wish to view such things, then don't download it.
I think they have a point when they mention that the israelis are critisized for building a fence to protect against attacks, while those same people seem to excuse such attacks against civilians. Building a barrier standing in the way of peace? Hardly-
Quite frankly, I don't see why Israel hasn't been showing it all along. Or perhaps showing bits of terrorist being buried in pigsblood. But that wouldn't be PC. They've tolerated this much longer than I would have.
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And whether or not it's on "palestine land" is debatable.
Finally, palestine is already a 3rd world country.
Still, you didn't give your opinion on my main question. What do you think about this being released, rather than kept hidden from public eyes as usual?
However, now that this has been done, I don't want to see any complaining if the Palestinians release a video of bullet-ridden corpses or people crushed in bulldozed houses. Things should be fair...
(for example of how things aren't necessarily fair, the cover of The Atlantic Monthly once had an X-ray of a bombing survivor; the victim had nails embedded in the skull and neck. Quite disturbing. Everybody thinks that nails in the head are so bad. But if you think about it, a bullet from an Israeli gun is 5.56mm in diameter and travels much faster than a nail in a bomb. An x-ray of a headshot from one of those (if you could fit all the mess under the machine) would be pretty disgusting to look at. So all in all I think the other side ought to release a video of the causualties of war on their side, in the interest of fairness.
(As for the walls, you do know that when Israel wants to bulldoze a house, they actually bulldoze the whole block)
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Anyway, I have watched the video, and I think they're doing the right thing. Too many people are just thinking 'Oh, pity' and going on with their lives. These are innocent civilians, students, lawyers, teachers, businessmen, librarians. The same goes for casualties in Iraq. You think Bush gives a damn when he hears that another one of America's boys got blown up? Things like this I like, simply because it's outside of the media censorship we have to put up with.
I suggest you watch the video, if you can. It really... opens your eyes, to a sense.
Good point about being desensitized if there is too much video, but on the other hand we can (and have) also become desensitized if there isn't any at all.
the fact that we continue to blow each other up just makes me disapointed in the human race, after watching that video it makes me much more somber.
and yes, little pepperings of video of this kind are good becuase it's a sad but effective reality check.
Personally, I beleieve all non-military information should be available to everyone in the US and abroad, but I know the chances of that happening are quite slim. The media is a perfect tool to be used by various interests to control the focus and opinions of the general American public (not us of the NS forums of course)...
So, we need more videos like this - not on regular television channels unless preceded by a lengthly graphic content warning - but we need them anyways so the atrocities do not go unnoticed by regular Americans. Perhaps if they saw more than the occasional footage of bombs exploding in the desert - perhaps if they saw actual American soldiers dying on their television sets more people would demand the return of American troops and see the mistakes of their leaders. I know I'm inviting flames by criticizing Mr. Bush on these forums, but my cousin (a 2nd Lieutenant in the USMC) is going to Iraq in just a few weeks for a force assessment (she works in Public Affairs), during which she will be touring numerous cities including Basrah and Baghdad under the cover of nothing more than a tent at night. No one wants to die for a cause that trivial. In World War II it was a madman who'd seized most of Europe. Now? A harsh dictator of a small Middle Eastern nation with no real threat towards the US...
Sorry for the rant, but I'm worried. Yes, we need more videos like this. Show footage of one of the 500+ dead US soldiers dying for no reason...
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Ide like to believe that no specific person could be so bitter as to have that as a motive for showing this.
There are and will always be people who will do anything for money.
As for the use of this kind of footage in media, I find that the main problem is that it will make people against <b>any</b> sort of war, regardless of whether it is for a good cause or not. If Nation X is trying to fight a dictator who has violated international laws and committed atrocities, but is very distant and has no interests to the public population of Nation X, then footage of Nation X's soliders being killed will only serve to shatter public support, even though the cause to fight was good.
I suppose the only way to counter this without having to censor anything is to show how much more cruel the dictator's hand on his own people. It then becomes a contest as to which side is less bloody. Siding with the lesser of two evils - that's how it's always been.
On a lesser note, I'm a bit concerned with kids who channel surf and would accidentally come across this kind of footage. Sucks that parents would have to be more careful...
Why is that?
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Agreed, while I think it should be available, I don't think it should be plastered all over TV
Why is that?
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I should clarify: Brutal in its presentation.
I think the Apache mission was the first I ever saw someone blown to pieces. The bus bombing would definitely be a lot more brutal in reality, with eleven civilians dead, rather than three armed dead.
What surprised me was that even though the camera guy showed some gruesome images, things had settled down a bit. I kind of braced myself for a lot more chaos, but after the first minute of the clip, it was just a disturbing silence, with an odd body part strewn here and there.
I watched this clip yesterday. Earlier at school, I watched a WWII clip which showed some footage of the holocaust, with human beings reduced to bones with some skin attached, and piled together in the hundreds. I'm not sure if that somehow reduced the impact of the clip or not. I just thought that the clip would be more intense that what I saw.
I really don't know what's with me... I have sympathy of the suffering of others, but it feels suprisingly weak. Maybe I just need to be there for the gravity of the situation to really crush me.
But, at the same time, we can't go flaunting this to everyone. There's a place and time for everything and 9am on a Saturday on one of the teletubbies video screens isn’t the place for this. (I know we weren't saying that. I was using it as an extreme) I’m not sure if any of you saw the south park after 9/11 where Sharon [Stan's mom] is laying on the couch with Kleenex everywhere watching CNN for weeks straight. This may be a comedy, but it proves a valid point; if we fill viewers up with more and more images of atrocities, all we'll do is desensitize them and make them zombies. On top of that, what will it do after showing the WTC fall for the umpteenth time? Cut to commercial. <span style='color:blue'>Yes, fill us up with fear then tell us we need to buy deodorant.</span> Companies will pay top dollar (and stations will accept) for air time planting product ideas in our now confused, scared, and potentially unstable heads.
So yeah, do we need this raw footage to get a tangible sense of what the duce is going on? You bet. But we need to go about showing it in a reasonable way where big corporations aren't trying to take advantage of us.
Then we hear a report from a firefighter that was on the scene two years later.
"It was raining body parts."
Or the shuttle Columbia. Okay it burned to a crisp, everyone just thinks 'man a shame we lost the shuttle.' In Nogadoches, they found bits and pieces of charred BODIES, now of course, we never hear that until years later.
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Yea, they are evil all right. Still, they're going to plant ideas in the heads of Americans until either the world ends or the government becomes a dictatorship or is successfully invaded.
My dad works at the NYU Medical School as an IT, and he also covers Bellevue Hospital and some other places. He says there're still frozen body parts from the WTC in refrigerated cargo crates in the basement warehouse. One of my old classmates lost his father in the WTC on 9/11, and the fact that they are milking those terrible videos for profits and to gain public support for the war on Iraq pisses him and myself off. If they ever build a memorial look for J. Conrad.
For reasons like that, I want the unedited clip.
And, Shloom, I didn't mean to single you out or anything. I was just pondering the use of releasing this video and what might happen. (what this thread is about)
I believe it was a hoax. You can see the entire discussion here:
<a href='http://forums.winamp.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=165437&perpage=40&pagenumber=2' target='_blank'>http://forums.winamp.com/showthread.php?s=...40&pagenumber=2</a>
I believe it was a hoax. You can see the entire discussion here:
<a href='http://forums.winamp.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=165437&perpage=40&pagenumber=2' target='_blank'>http://forums.winamp.com/showthread.php?s=...40&pagenumber=2</a> <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
What was a hoax? The video?
Just another bloody chapter in Israel's stupidity and Palistine's stupidity in attacking Israel for it's stupidity for moving into Palistine's land for attacking Israel for attacking Palistine for attacking Israel for attacking...
[edit - i ate my dinner before i watched the movie... and yes, im still digesting all of it.]
I believe it was a hoax. You can see the entire discussion here:
<a href='http://forums.winamp.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=165437&perpage=40&pagenumber=2' target='_blank'>http://forums.winamp.com/showthread.php?s=...40&pagenumber=2</a> <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
what a fat crock of ****.
i don't need to say anything more, because the members of the winamp forums have already debunked that insane argument.. the footage is that of REBELS being gunned down, not farmers or innocents.
case closed.
edit: nvm got it
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kidna gruseome tho, init?