Why To Hell Steam L?

Mr_TuX · February 2004

Hi there

recently i visited the ns hp after a long time ...

and i was shockt after i have seen that u uns staem. it sucks a lot and is pretty solw and i cant see why anyone who has a bit of brain would use this ... (i dont see the need of a third party tool)
if u need an engine that rox take Q1 tenebrae <a href='http://tenebrae.sourceforge.net/' target='_blank'>http://tenebrae.sourceforge.net/</a>

if u r able to buld a mod like this .. this wont be a problem 4 u (the hl engine is freaking old and u could need something new. and keep in mind that this engine is free)

Aldaris · February 2004

Well for starters NS has to go to Steam at some point. Theres just no getting around it. WON will be shut down eventually. Why not convert to Steam now?

2nd thing is more of my personal opinion then simple fact. While people may have lamented Steam to hell and back, I have had no problems with Steam what so ever. Its been a breeze. Everything you could ever want in one nice neat package.

3rd thing is that research is going on as to what engine, if any, NS2 will/could/may be ported to. The obvious one is, of course, the Source engine. Only time will tell on that regard.

Oh and the the lack of Minimize-to-desktop sound bug is enough fo a reason anyway.

dr_d · February 2004

:: pats Tux on the head::

There there

Mr_TuX · February 2004

the best argument against it, is that Stam is the first step to 4rent software ...

i think every step in that direction is wrong

(i hope any one of the NS developern takes a look at tenebre)

so long
TuX

ps :
::: Slap back :::

Aldaris · February 2004

While it may be the best argument, its also an illogical one. So far there is no evidence that you'll have to start paying to use Steam at all, even if you already have a cd of half life. Its just rumour mongering tbh.

Geminosity · February 2004

scare mongering more like =P

steam actually improves the original half-life in some ways, including the rather funky feature to play MP3 files. Originally mods had to go use fmod files to do this and now thanks to the steam-updated half-life it's part of the game. Unfortunately it's not that well known it can do that so don't expect it to be all that common before HL2 stomps in an ahnilates the old community anyways ^^;

I have to echo aldaris's experiences with steam: it's given me little to no trouble whatsoever =o

CommunistWithAGun · February 2004

I've only seen people with 486's complain about steam.

Or 56k'ers but nobody has 56k because they want it. <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/sad.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='sad.gif' />

Mr_TuX · February 2004

why is it illogical we all know that this will happen .... (the only reason why its made ) its like a drug if u first get it its free but later when u need it u will have to spend alot of money

anyway the gui is damn slow (and i cant imagene why ... the gui is not raly impresive or big or something it shout run on a 2 ghz cpu like hell but fell like i got a i168)

dr_d · February 2004

Where can I get these free drugs you speak of?

Here's an idea if it loads to slow, leave it running, and if you have broadband this isn't a problem, if you don't steam is the last thing you should be worried about.

Mr_TuX · February 2004

i hope u see the metapher (i hope the word is the same in english as in german)

If a program whisout any visual efet is runnig that solw it has normaly a verry bad code ^^

and i have 2Mbit

SkulkBait · February 2004

To all you people who say Steam won't ever be pay to play, look at the ad. Thats right, you are already paying to play.

Emsee · February 2004

What ad?
Unless you mean the little banner saying "Steam content server 7"?
Besides, it's just informing whos server bandwidth you using. Unless it starts with popups in the middle of a game it doesn't bother me.

Talesin · February 2004

Apparently Mr. Tux wasn't around to see the pageful of anti-Steam whining threads that were locked and sent down to the catacombs, (supposedly) never to be seen nor heard from again.
It is not debatable. NS is going to Steam, as Half-Life is going to Steam. It's a fairly robust platform, and the current problems are NOTHING compared to WON's inception.

As well, Tenebrae is a mod of Quake 1. An OLDER engine than Half-Life. Sure, they add some HDRR techniques, but it makes things run VERY slow. Painfully so. <i>Incredibly</i> so. Tenebrae Q1 would not be a robust enough engine to support NS, would raise system requirements (<b>far</b> past where they are currently, on Steam-NS), and is extremely unlikely to get significantly better.
Steam, on the other hand, contains an inbuilt versioning and delivery system, allows for updated libraries to be disseminated across the playerbase almost instantly, and has a tight, FAST engine coming up riding on it. Namely, HL2. I'd been there for the demos, and it looks far better than anything Tenebrae can spit up.

While T-Q1 may be an ambitious project, it can't hold a candle to the result of a well-paid team of programmers working full-time on a dedicated next-gen moneymaker.

Once more. NS is moving to Steam. There are no plans for an engine change, and I heavily doubt that the dev team would go to an OLDER, SLOWER, LESS-ROBUST engine if they somehow <i>did</i> decide to make a jump.

SkulkBait · February 2004

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Emsee @ Feb 11 2004, 03:40 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> What ad?
Unless you mean the little banner saying "Steam content server 7"?
Besides, it's just informing whos server bandwidth you using. Unless it starts with popups in the middle of a game it doesn't bother me.  </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> 
I was under the impression (perhaps from older steam releases) that these were 'real' banner adds. If that is not the case then ignore my previous post.

Talesin · February 2004

They are. A lot of them have Fileshack, Fileplanet, 3DGamers, etc. logos on them. Paid advertisement. Or at the very least, paid bandwidth.

Mr_TuX · February 2004

terenbee is not older than the hl engine .... but they would have the same base ...
the HL engine is an enhaced Q1 engine (now 6yaers old) but is looking poor at the moment
T-Q1 looks far better ond it is not much older than 1 year

ok you will need a 3 yaer old grafik card and cpu to run it but this schould be a pice of cake.

Did u ever played an t-Q1 test level (made for the engine??? it looks a lot like the DOOM3 alpha )

@Talesin:
By the way are you an develper <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/confused.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='confused.gif' />
(Your post sounds some how offical ^^)
and i dont want to start a flame or something i am just asking und want that thome one coud stard think about it , but i cant force anyone ^^

Edited i claened the 1337

Emsee · February 2004

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Talesin @ Feb 12 2004, 12:36 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> They are. A lot of them have Fileshack, Fileplanet, 3DGamers, etc. logos on them. Paid advertisement. Or at the very least, paid bandwidth.  </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> 
They kind of are, but you only get the 3dgamers one or the gamespy one if you are connected to the content server they provide for you.
If you connect to the boomtown server steam displays the boomtown banner.
More of a sponsership deal really.
But afaik your banner will only come up if people are connected to your server. So you have to provide a server meeting the minimum requirements to host steam content and in return you get a tiny banner shown when anyone automatically downloads an update. Seems fair enough to me.

Aldaris · February 2004

Actually Mr.Tux, the link your giving is the old Tenebrae, which is older then the HL engine, as its just Q1 with some graphical changes.

The link you want is this one <a href='http://www.tenebrae2.com/' target='_blank'>http://www.tenebrae2.com/</a>

Theres 2 problems I see. First, while they may be professionals (I don't know on this regard. A quick search of the site didn't say anything on that regard) they're doing this in their own time. It would mean making a 3rd party mod from an engine made from another 3rd party. Lots of hassle.

2nd is the target specs for Tenebrae 2 would rule out most of the people (me included) who play HL, simply because it isn't as system intensive as newer engines.

And I don't normally say this, but please clean up your spelling as I have no idea what the last sentence meant? If theres a legit reason for this then I apologise

Umbraed_Monkey · February 2004

Yep, Tenebrae looks great. Its designed to. But Halflife has got something that Tenebrae does not (yet?) have, and that is the Legendary Halflife netcode. And if NS still lags a bit on that, Tenebrae would simply not be an option.

Forlorn · February 2004

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Mr.TuX @ Feb 11 2004, 12:22 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> ps :
::: Slap back :::  </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> 
LMAO

Nemesis_Zero · February 2004

Seeing that this has a) been discussed in numerous threads in General and b) isn't exactely set up to work as a serious discussion, I'm going to <span style='color:red'>***lock.***</span>

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