Respawn
Wavie-Davie
Join Date: 2002-12-21 Member: 11274Members
Join Date: 2002-12-21 Member: 11274Members
<div class="IPBDescription">new respawn ruins combat</div> The new respawn has totaly ruined combat.
I dont understand why you, the creators feel the need to make ns shorter... longer games are much more fun but everytime i see an update it always says makes gamers shorter... im always like WTH the longer the better the more you get updates and the more fighting and the more fun fighting more powerful aliens or marines... however the more you are making this game shorter its going to turn out like there is no ha, jp or onos update cuase the games are going to be so damn short no comm or combat marine/alien will be able to reach it as you seem to be wanting to make the game as short as possible for some reason?<!--emo&???--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/confused.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='confused.gif' /><!--endemo-->
The new respawn in combat totaly takes the **** games are like 5 mins long now and no one barly has the chance to reach lvl 5 if that. The spawn camping is just **** annoying and once 1 skulk sneaks into base with focus the game is over... it has totaly ruined combat for me and there is a lot of complaining on server i play on... im just hopping that you will fix this soon before combat completly dies.
I would like an answer to why you feel need to make games shorter tho ive never understood why you lot always aim to make it shorter when people always enjoy the longer games.
sorry to be a nag its just i realy enjoy combat and its like the game is completly gone to me now.
I dont understand why you, the creators feel the need to make ns shorter... longer games are much more fun but everytime i see an update it always says makes gamers shorter... im always like WTH the longer the better the more you get updates and the more fighting and the more fun fighting more powerful aliens or marines... however the more you are making this game shorter its going to turn out like there is no ha, jp or onos update cuase the games are going to be so damn short no comm or combat marine/alien will be able to reach it as you seem to be wanting to make the game as short as possible for some reason?<!--emo&???--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/confused.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='confused.gif' /><!--endemo-->
The new respawn in combat totaly takes the **** games are like 5 mins long now and no one barly has the chance to reach lvl 5 if that. The spawn camping is just **** annoying and once 1 skulk sneaks into base with focus the game is over... it has totaly ruined combat for me and there is a lot of complaining on server i play on... im just hopping that you will fix this soon before combat completly dies.
I would like an answer to why you feel need to make games shorter tho ive never understood why you lot always aim to make it shorter when people always enjoy the longer games.
sorry to be a nag its just i realy enjoy combat and its like the game is completly gone to me now.
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I also think that the thing about the new system is that youre supposed to put pressure on the other team, and I dont think the marine players has undestood this yet, they still camp to get XP.
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combat is supposed to be 5 mins <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo--> read the sentinel newsletter cause they purposely made it shorter... that was the point! the new respawn is much more fun <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif' /><!--endemo--> it actually makes you not just throw your life away!! FINALLY YIPEE <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo-->
Long games are more fun. You get more strategy, upgrades, and overall fun in a long game.
EDIT: Combat is only long and tedious at lvl10 when everyone stays skulk. Get 2 onos, 3 fades, 2 lerks, ect; and it is really fun. In my opinion that is.
Also, getting a team of 6 onos to rush marine spawn and just devour everyone and gore the chair in 20 seconds = priceless.
Read the front page. Combat is advertised as usually lasting less than 10 minutes, and unless the marines aren't very good they still usually go longer than that...
100% to 25%, depending on how long the game's been going....
So at the very start,y ou're not screwed by an initial rush, but as it goes on, less are supposed to be dying, and so the waves should get smaller.
Once you have over 12 players, a classic NS map should be voted in. It's simple. Most of your "unbalanced" complaints come from 16 player to 32 player servers, which are definately unbalanced because <b>combat isn't made for that many players.</b>
It's fine to spawn in groups of 1-2 when there's six or seven people on the server, because chances are there's only 1-3 attacking spawn at any given moment. And if there is more, you lose due to lack of either skill or tactical coordination. That's the way the game is meant to be played, that's why it's designed for less then 10 minutes.
Read a bit more. Combat wasn't brought in as a new gameplay mode to take over NS, it was brought in to start off the smaller games in a more balanced and fun way, as well as providing an alternative to strategic players and being a good mode for other "new" players to learn how to control Natural Selection units in.
Once you have over 12 players, a classic NS map should be voted in. It's simple. Most of your "unbalanced" complaints come from 16 player to 32 player servers, which are definately unbalanced because <b>combat isn't made for that many players.</b>
It's fine to spawn in groups of 1-2 when there's six or seven people on the server, because chances are there's only 1-3 attacking spawn at any given moment. And if there is more, you lose due to lack of either skill or tactical coordination. That's the way the game is meant to be played, that's why it's designed for less then 10 minutes.
Read a bit more. Combat wasn't brought in as a new gameplay mode to take over NS, it was brought in to start off the smaller games in a more balanced and fun way, as well as providing an alternative to strategic players and being a good mode for other "new" players to learn how to control Natural Selection units in. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
16 to 32 people in a classic map is not balanced. 12 or 14 i believe is the most balanced.
And the respawn problems are for any size server. It's even worse in smaller servers where you only spawn one at a time.
say, 8 people are playing, that means when they spawn, its 1 vs 4. and that's unupgraded and against focus skulks most likely.
lets try a 12 person.... In this case, it's still stupid, and 3 people are not going to be able to kill even 3 focus skulks most likely, and if there's 12 of them in the base... gg. gg.
as stated somewhere, I love this new respawn system for the late game, when you loose, you should loose. It shouldn't be like b2. But in the early game, it's just stupid to get spawn camped to hell and back by that many skulks and focus skulks.
It completely kills the experience of a fun short game.
As I know i stated up there...
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That way it's not nearly as easy to spawn camp in the early stages, and people will be getting in the game faster at the start, which will lead to accelerated early levels, and thne as it goes on, it'll become easier to keep a team dead. And that is around when the game should be ending.
Another idea would be to base it on average player levels... Except that's could be very flawed.
The idea behind this is that if your team is a higher level, then it should be later in the game, and you shouldn't be dying as much.
Actually, it might make more sense to do average levels of both teams, though not so sure.
There needs to be something that changes the percent like I said, and it would be great if it wasn't based on the time limit...
Maybe base it on the amount of people who have already died and respawn.
I just know early game needs to have larger waves to stop lamers from just camping, and late game needs smaller waves to allow the game to actually finish.
Combat wasn't tested on servers with <b>less</b> than 14 players in public style game play (beta servers were all 14/16 slots). Anyway it doesn't matter what it was designed for. Many players like Combat and some of them like long games and some like large servers. Apart from the spawn waves there is no problem with the number of players in combat (maybe a few maps are too small...). In classic NS the balance problems come with the resource system. All those problems can and should be adressed to make NS fun for all kinds of servers.
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How should new players learn to control units if they hardly ever get past level 5 and even if they reach level 10 the game lasts only a few minutes?
Ditch the most significant game lengthening factor, hive/CC healing, and you shorten games. Then we can bring back a spawn system that doesn't result in endless spawnkilling sprees.