[mrel] Brigadierwolf's Shotgun

TacOne · February 2004

<div class="IPBDescription">With fixed Reload animations</div> I don't think this has been released before, so I'll give it a shot.

From Readme.txt
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BrigadierWolf's Shotgun with fixed reload animations by TacOne

How to use:
Extract contents of zip into your \nsp\models folder (or \ns\models if you're using 2.xx)

Credits:
BrigadierWolf for making this awsome shotgun
Verthandi for recompiling the original NS shotgun
TacOne (That's me) for using Verthandi's compile to fix BrigadierWolf's shotgun.

Questions, flames, court orders or praise may be sent to kristian@auestad.no
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Because of server file size limits I had to split this file into four small ones <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/sad.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='sad.gif' />
If you can mirror this file, please let me know.

<a href='http://auestad.no/tacone/files/BrigSGFix.zip' target='_blank'>Part1</a>
<a href='http://auestad.no/tacone/files/BrigSGFix.z01' target='_blank'>Part2</a>
<a href='http://auestad.no/tacone/files/BrigSGFix.z02' target='_blank'>Part3</a>
<a href='http://auestad.no/tacone/files/BrigSGFix.z03' target='_blank'>Part4</a>

Thanks to Zaggy for a one-file mirror, it can be found <a href='http://koti.mbnet.fi/~gale/uploads/brigsgfixed.zip' target='_blank'>here</a>

Dillinja · February 2004

brig left because of this i dont know if he will be happy when you release his stuff
just a thought

TacOne · February 2004

Well, If he doesn't like it, I'll take it away.
But I felt it was a shame to have such a magnifigent shotgun without syncronised animations.

Spetsnaz · February 2004

at the end of the day, it is a fix, doesnt that mean its better and brig would apreciated it i think if he was here?!

and, wth i cant open the zip and what are the other files about??

TacOne · February 2004

You have to dowload all the files and open the .zip.
Split archives suck, but my server can't take large enough files for some reason.

And if the SGs reload time is changed again, these files will automatically become void.

Dillinja · February 2004

well i dont care but as i remember he left because people changed his stuff and rereleased it

Spetsnaz · February 2004

ah ok kool, downloaded it now, i was just a bit miffed at first <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/confused.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='confused.gif' />

Dark_Soul · February 2004

Brig left because of people hacking his models ...

what a lack of respect

skullz_nixon · February 2004

You're talking about the guy like he's some holy man. He made some frickin' models, and if he didn't want them reskinned, re-animated or 'hacked' then he should never have posted them on a public forum for the public to download. He does not have any copyrights, nor is there any rule that says you can't edit something up for free download on the internet.

IF someone had posted his "for my helpers only" models, or something, thats wrong, but these are public domain and as such can be edited, changed, fixed and re-released by anybody. Otherwise, the NS team would have their panties in a twist every time you re-colored or re-skinned the onos to make it look like a cow or a bull or summat.

Simple as that.

SuperTeflon · February 2004

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (skullz_nixon @ Feb 17 2004, 12:13 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> You're talking about the guy like he's some holy man. He made some frickin' models, and if he didn't want them reskinned, re-animated or 'hacked' then he should never have posted them on a public forum for the public to download. He does not have any copyrights, nor is there any rule that says you can't edit something up for free download on the internet.

IF someone had posted his "for my helpers only" models, or something, thats wrong, but these are public domain and as such can be edited, changed, fixed and re-released by anybody. Otherwise, the NS team would have their panties in a twist every time you re-colored or re-skinned the onos to make it look like a cow or a bull or summat.

Simple as that. </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'>
1) He does have copyrights.

2) You can modify crap, you just can't release it.

But that said,

3) Brig cries like a girl. Really, I've had my mod for Tribes stolen and ripped off in about 30 other mods, it **** me off, not because it was out, but because I never got any credit for it.

Which is why, who cares? He wasn't a nice guy. He was a total ***hole. Every model he released was full of cynicism and sarcasm. "Waah, I asked for testers and only two people showed up, take it you ingrates." Despite all the praise and the number of people that use his models: "Why do I do this you people are ungrateful and selfish." Seriously, he's in the navy, but has a pissy fit when someone makes his models black. This is so astronomically stupid, selfish, and menial, it completely blows me away.

I'm making an NS map. I know it's probably going to suck. Will I cry when someone says it sucks? No. Because I enjoy mapping. Brig obviously didn't like modeling, he didn't like skinning, he didn't like animating, and as far as I can tell, he doesn't like NS, nor the community.

However, on another note, I heard from Daza400 that he left because he was called into active duty.

Zaggy · February 2004

!!
<img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/wow.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wow.gif' />

whoa, ppl pls calm down !

with all due respect to Brig about his model, and the ones who fixed it:
<a href='http://koti.mbnet.fi/~gale/uploads/brigsgfixed.zip' target='_blank'>Mirror - .zip file</a>

CoolCookieCooks · February 2004

this may sound stupid, but its all true in my eyes.

Dark_Soul · February 2004

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (skullz_nixon @ Feb 17 2004, 02:13 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> You're talking about the guy like he's some holy man. He made some frickin' models, and if he didn't want them reskinned, re-animated or 'hacked' then he should never have posted them on a public forum for the public to download. He does not have any copyrights, nor is there any rule that says you can't edit something up for free download on the internet.

IF someone had posted his "for my helpers only" models, or something, thats wrong, but these are public domain and as such can be edited, changed, fixed and re-released by anybody. Otherwise, the NS team would have their panties in a twist every time you re-colored or re-skinned the onos to make it look like a cow or a bull or summat.

Simple as that.  </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> 
I'm just saying it's obvious Brig doesn't like it when you hack his models, I think we shouldn't then ...

Fox_One · February 2004

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (SuperTeflon @ Feb 17 2004, 02:18 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> Which is why, who cares? He wasn't a nice guy. He was a total ***hole. Every model he released was full of cynicism and sarcasm. "Waah, I asked for testers and only two people showed up, take it you ingrates." Despite all the praise and the number of people that use his models: "Why do I do this you people are ungrateful and selfish." Seriously, he's in the navy, but has a pissy fit when someone makes his models black. This is so astronomically stupid, selfish, and menial, it completely blows me away.  </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> 
I wish I couldn't agree with that...but I do. It's true.

skullz_nixon · February 2004

Unfortunatly such a good re-animation thread is going to get locke,d but first let me say:

I did not mean to initatate this big anti-wolf thing. He did good work, and yeah, his attitude kind of stunk, however my point was, if you release it on the net, for free, expect it to be edited, fixed, changed, re-skinned, re-worked and re-released. This is not a shot at brig, its a realistic interpretation of some posts made about all folks who release skins, models, sounds, animations, maps, ect on the net.

Zaggy · February 2004

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (skullz_nixon @ Feb 17 2004, 02:45 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> Unfortunatly such a good re-animation thread is going to get locke,d but first let me say:

I did not mean to initatate this big anti-wolf thing. He did good work, and yeah, his attitude kind of stunk, however my point was, if you release it on the net, for free, expect it to be edited, fixed, changed, re-skinned, re-worked and re-released. This is not a shot at brig, its a realistic interpretation of some posts made about all folks who release skins, models, sounds, animations, maps, ect on the net.  </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> 
<b>Everything</b> can be copied, just respect the owner of it
by buying the stuff or giving credits...
otherwise... <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/mad.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='mad.gif' />

Azrael2709 · February 2004

I have the highest respect for Brigadier. My only hope was that he wouldn't be so seneitive. I don't blame him however as it has been pointed out that many people have stolen his models.

Spetsnaz · February 2004

its a fix of one of his models dont you people see that as an improvement?

TacOne · February 2004

Thanks for the mirror Zaggy.
Now, may discussions about BrigadierWolf please be moved somewhere else?
Thanks.

Klepto · February 2004

any ingame pics?

Jamil · February 2004

They are animations. Screenshots won't do any good. Animated gifs might, but that's a chore to make.

TacOne · February 2004

It's basically BrigadierWolf's shotgun with the reload animation speeded up a little to match the actual reload.
Which means this model inserts eight shells into an empty magazine instead of six.

Dillinja · February 2004

woah guys calm down i was only giving the info that the author wont like that geez.

Klepto · February 2004

So that file is just a fix? You need the original first for it to work?

Shazbot · February 2004

It's the v models, which means the models you see when you're using the gun. Also, this is the old version of his shotgun from the looks of it, not his reskinned version, which I think is better. This is a fix, I don't see why he would get mad about it...

SWAT_Pointman · February 2004

Godamnit just cuz brig left dosen't give you the right to steal it <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/mad.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='mad.gif' />

5ive · February 2004

if you want one of his reskins on the new version of this shotgun, just extract the images from his other model(s) and recompile with the new skin. they both use the same mesh, you know...

(it applies to v, w, and p, btw)

<span style='font-size:6pt;line-height:100%'>edited cause i just got home and i lose at teh grammar!!</span>

darkflame_666 · February 2004

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Dillinja @ Feb 17 2004, 01:00 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> brig left because of this i dont know if he will be happy when you release his stuff
just a thought  </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> 
Look im gona settle this once and for all. If he left for that reason he deserves to stay gone. If a man cant take altering models he dosnt deserve to be here. If someone alters his stuff and makes it better in the publics eyes but he throws a fit hes the big babby and we did nothing wrong. So stop defending a man that throws a hissy fit every time someone improves on his models for the good of the comunity, thank you.

*BACK TO THE MODEL* Seems alot better now, thanks <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif' />

Luminair · February 2004

What an artist "feels" doesn't matter unless you're talking about morals.

If someone wants to modify these models, ie public pieces of art, they can. If they want to distribute it, they can. Just about the only thing they can't legally do is say it's their own and sell it for profit.

Someone could release a pack of his models with all goatse skins, and surprise surprise, there's nothing anyone could do about it. Individuals could get angry (say things, ban from private forums, etc), but that's the long and short of it.

Also note that trying to quote things like the DMCA and such when concerning issues on as small a scale as this will just get you laughed at.

If someone doesn't want their work modified, they just don't give it out to people who would modify it. The end.

Jimmeh · February 2004

First of all, please do not consider this a flame or attack at anyone.

[Rant]
Wolf said that he did <b>not</b> want anyone modifying his work. Surely if you said something like that you'd get annoyed if someone broke your request? People did not respect his wishes and this caused him to leave. Please stop calling wolf a cry baby or whatever because it was his request for people to not modify his models. He released them on that condition. However no-one listened.
[/Rant]

Now lets wait for the lock...

coil · February 2004

I've said many times that intellectual property is a fleeting thing on the Internet. Communities like the NS modeling community survive because of one thing: respect for one another. Yes, it's extremely easy to copy someone else's work and edit it to suit your liking. That doesn't make it ok. The ease with which it can be done makes it all the more important that you respect the creators by respecting the *gift* they give you with each released model.

The NS forums have a firm policy against <b>model theft </b>-- namely, if you don't have the original author's permission to use something, you <i>shouldn't be using it</i>. Brig made it pretty clear that he didn't want his files modified and redistributed, and that's enough for me.

And by the way, he *does* have the copyright on his work. If he wanted to, he'd have every right to sue people who didn't respect his requests.

[mrel] Brigadierwolf's Shotgun

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