A man walks up to you and says - "everything I say to you is a lie." Is he telling you the truth or is he lying?
~ DarkATi <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> He is lying..
A truth teller would always tell the truth, thus he can't claim to lie.
Someone who ALWAYS lies never tells the truth, and by saying that he always lies he is telling the truth, thus the statement "everything i say to you is a lie" is the truth, so he is lying by saying a statement which isn't always true.
The statement "everything I say to you is a lie." describes itself... it's odd logic to explain.. sry. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> Paradox actually, you nailed it btw <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif' /><!--endemo--> awesome brain pan =P <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> It's NOT a paradox. Read my answer.
<!--QuoteBegin-MedHead+Feb 20 2004, 12:38 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (MedHead @ Feb 20 2004, 12:38 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> But at Motel 6, they leave the light on for you. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> Yes, yes they do.
<!--QuoteBegin-SoulSkorpion+Feb 20 2004, 12:40 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (SoulSkorpion @ Feb 20 2004, 12:40 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> It's NOT a paradox. Read my answer. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> No, it is a paradox, a very simple one but a paradox none the less. Its alot like the paradox presented in the old movie Laberynth (anyone remember it?) where the girl was presented by 2 doors, one leads to certain doom, the other to safe passage, but one door is lieing, and the other is telling the truth. This example is a highly complex paradox, and the one answered on this boards is a labotimized version of it but still the same in a way.
<!--QuoteBegin-DarkATi+Feb 20 2004, 01:25 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (DarkATi @ Feb 20 2004, 01:25 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> I soar without wings, I see without eyes. I've traveled the universe to and fro. I've conquered the world, yet I've never been anywhere but home. Who am I? <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> A cloud? They "sea" without eyes, by raining <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif' /><!--endemo-->
Could it be the Scorpian that hovars without flapping? <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif' /><!--endemo-->
... <!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->t's NOT a paradox. Read my answer.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
No, it is a paradox, a very simple one but a paradox none the less. Its alot like the paradox presented in the old movie Laberynth (anyone remember it?) where the girl was presented by 2 doors, one leads to certain doom, the other to safe passage, but one door is lieing, and the other is telling the truth. This example is a highly complex paradox, and the one answered on this boards is a labotimized version of it but still the same in a way. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> That's not a paradox either!
To be more specific, a paradox is a logical statement which is always contradictory.
The riddle is: "everything I say to you is a lie." Is he telling you the truth or is he lying?
If it were a paradox, then he can't be telling the truth, and he can't be lying. He is lying, and the situation still remains logically correct.
If he's lying, then the truth must be the <i>negation</i> of his statement, not the opposite. The statement is "everything I say to you is a lie". The opposite is "everything I say to you is the truth". The <i>negation</i> is "NOT everything I say to you is a lie."
If he's lying, then the statement "not everything I say to you is a lie" is true. That means his next comment could be the truth. Or the next one. Or the next one. It doesn't matter; eventually, there just has to be one thing he says that is true.
Technically speaking, the scenario in which he is telling the truth is a paradox, since it is contradictory. The puzzle as a whole is not; it has a solution which is logically correct and not contradictory.
The other example you brought up, as I mentioned, is not a paradox either. It's even further from being a paradox than the original.
To clarify: there's a room with two pathways and two guys. One path leads to certain death, and one is safe. Both men know which pathway is which. One always lies, one always tells the truth; you can't tell which is which, what should you ask?
This isn't a paradox. If you ask either of them "if I ask the other guy which path to take, what will he tell me?" you will get the same answer from either of them. Not contradictory.
What IS a paradox is the following:
The following statement is true: The proceeding statement is false.
<!--QuoteBegin-SoulSkorpion+Feb 20 2004, 12:47 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (SoulSkorpion @ Feb 20 2004, 12:47 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-DarkATi+Feb 20 2004, 01:25 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (DarkATi @ Feb 20 2004, 01:25 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> I soar without wings, I see without eyes. I've traveled the universe to and fro. I've conquered the world, yet I've never been anywhere but home. Who am I? <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> A cloud? They "sea" without eyes, by raining <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif' /><!--endemo-->
Could it be the Scorpian that hovars without flapping? <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif' /><!--endemo--> <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> What created the game Natural-Selection? What did Flayra use? That is the answer.
EpidemicDark Force GorgeJoin Date: 2003-06-29Member: 17781Members
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Someone who ALWAYS lies never tells the truth, and by saying that he always lies he is telling the truth, thus the statement "everything i say to you is a lie" is the truth, so he is lying by saying a statement which isn't always true.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> Wouldn't this just continue into a bigger paradox? I understand you but I think there is something fishy in it <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif' /><!--endemo-->
@Darkati, it isnt Darkness? It wont me much sense but somehow it fits your description <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif' /><!--endemo-->
<!--QuoteBegin-Epidemic+Feb 20 2004, 12:49 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Epidemic @ Feb 20 2004, 12:49 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Someone who ALWAYS lies never tells the truth, and by saying that he always lies he is telling the truth, thus the statement "everything i say to you is a lie" is the truth, so he is lying by saying a statement which isn't always true.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> Wouldn't this just continue into a bigger paradox? I understand you but I think there is something fishy in it <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif' /><!--endemo-->
@Darkati, it isnt Darkness? It wont me much sense but somehow it fits your description <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif' /><!--endemo--> <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> The official hint: What created the game Natural-Selection? What did Flayra use? That is the answer.
and no I didnt goggle, or use any search engine =P its obvious
New Riddle :
A man went to a bar and asked for a glass of water. The barman gave him a glass of water and watched him drink it. After a while he took out his pistol and threatened to shoot the man. The man looked up with fear in his eyes, but a few moments later he smiled, thanked the barman and left the bar. What happened here?
<!--QuoteBegin-Fatalflaw+Feb 20 2004, 12:52 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Fatalflaw @ Feb 20 2004, 12:52 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Imagination is the answer, or the mind.
and no I didnt goggle, or use any search engine =P its obvious
New Riddle :
A man went to a bar and asked for a glass of water. The barman gave him a glass of water and watched him drink it. After a while he took out his pistol and threatened to shoot the man. The man looked up with fear in his eyes, but a few moments later he smiled, thanked the barman and left the bar. What happened here? <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> He had too much to drink and wanted to sober up. The barmen gave him water and scared the sobriety into him.
lol ya know, that riddle I gave, I found it out of this riddle gen I downloaded but it dont give the answers so I'm at a loss as to what the answer to mine is. I think it is the hiccups.. that or curing constipation lmao.
A woman shoots her husband. Then she holds him under water for over 5 minutes. Finally, she hangs him. But 5 minutes later they both go out together and enjoy a wonderful dinner together. How can this be?
EpidemicDark Force GorgeJoin Date: 2003-06-29Member: 17781Members
<!--QuoteBegin-Fatalflaw+Feb 20 2004, 06:52 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Fatalflaw @ Feb 20 2004, 06:52 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Imagination is the answer, or the mind <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> Just so you dont get cocky. NS was made by an aimtbot.
EpidemicDark Force GorgeJoin Date: 2003-06-29Member: 17781Members
Then she would hang it instead of the man on the picture.. That's atleast the preffered term <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif' /><!--endemo-->
~ DarkATi <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> Hey, how do a photographer hang a man? <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> She hung his photo up to dry.
Holy cripes. So many replies while I was editing mine into my post <!--emo&:(--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/sad.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='sad.gif' /><!--endemo-->
<!--QuoteBegin-SoulSkorpion+Feb 20 2004, 01:09 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (SoulSkorpion @ Feb 20 2004, 01:09 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Holy cripes. So many replies while I was editing mine into my post <!--emo&:(--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/sad.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='sad.gif' /><!--endemo--> <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> Cripes; not a word you hear every day.
<!--QuoteBegin-DarkATi+Feb 20 2004, 01:15 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (DarkATi @ Feb 20 2004, 01:15 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> The riddle at hand: (Incase you missed it.)
What do these 3 have in common? Superman Moses The Cabbage Patch Kids
~ DarkATi <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> They have all been involved in works of fiction, they all have teeth, they all have skin, they have all been animated at one point, they have all had dolls modeled after them, they have all been used to entertain children, looking for something specfic I reckon eh?
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Nope, sorry, light leaves home of course, so incorrect.
~ DarkATi
Here's one more:
A man walks up to you and says - "everything I say to you is a lie."
Is he telling you the truth or is he lying?
~ DarkATi <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
He is lying..
A truth teller would always tell the truth, thus he can't claim to lie.
Someone who ALWAYS lies never tells the truth, and by saying that he always lies he is telling the truth, thus the statement "everything i say to you is a lie" is the truth, so he is lying by saying a statement which isn't always true.
The statement "everything I say to you is a lie." describes itself... it's odd logic to explain.. sry. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Paradox actually, you nailed it btw <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif' /><!--endemo--> awesome brain pan =P <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
It's NOT a paradox. Read my answer.
Yes, yes they do.
~ DarkATi
No, it is a paradox, a very simple one but a paradox none the less. Its alot like the paradox presented in the old movie Laberynth (anyone remember it?) where the girl was presented by 2 doors, one leads to certain doom, the other to safe passage, but one door is lieing, and the other is telling the truth. This example is a highly complex paradox, and the one answered on this boards is a labotimized version of it but still the same in a way.
I've traveled the universe to and fro.
I've conquered the world, yet I've never been anywhere but home.
Who am I? <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
A cloud? They "sea" without eyes, by raining <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif' /><!--endemo-->
Could it be the Scorpian that hovars without flapping? <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif' /><!--endemo-->
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<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->t's NOT a paradox. Read my answer.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
No, it is a paradox, a very simple one but a paradox none the less. Its alot like the paradox presented in the old movie Laberynth (anyone remember it?) where the girl was presented by 2 doors, one leads to certain doom, the other to safe passage, but one door is lieing, and the other is telling the truth. This example is a highly complex paradox, and the one answered on this boards is a labotimized version of it but still the same in a way. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
That's not a paradox either!
To be more specific, a paradox is a logical statement which is always contradictory.
The riddle is:
"everything I say to you is a lie."
Is he telling you the truth or is he lying?
If it were a paradox, then he can't be telling the truth, and he can't be lying. He is lying, and the situation still remains logically correct.
If he's lying, then the truth must be the <i>negation</i> of his statement, not the opposite. The statement is "everything I say to you is a lie". The opposite is "everything I say to you is the truth". The <i>negation</i> is "NOT everything I say to you is a lie."
If he's lying, then the statement "not everything I say to you is a lie" is true. That means his next comment could be the truth. Or the next one. Or the next one. It doesn't matter; eventually, there just has to be one thing he says that is true.
Technically speaking, the scenario in which he is telling the truth is a paradox, since it is contradictory. The puzzle as a whole is not; it has a solution which is logically correct and not contradictory.
The other example you brought up, as I mentioned, is not a paradox either. It's even further from being a paradox than the original.
To clarify: there's a room with two pathways and two guys. One path leads to certain death, and one is safe. Both men know which pathway is which. One always lies, one always tells the truth; you can't tell which is which, what should you ask?
This isn't a paradox. If you ask either of them "if I ask the other guy which path to take, what will he tell me?" you will get the same answer from either of them. Not contradictory.
What IS a paradox is the following:
The following statement is true:
The proceeding statement is false.
I've traveled the universe to and fro.
I've conquered the world, yet I've never been anywhere but home.
Who am I? <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
A cloud? They "sea" without eyes, by raining <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif' /><!--endemo-->
Could it be the Scorpian that hovars without flapping? <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif' /><!--endemo--> <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
What created the game Natural-Selection? What did Flayra use? That is the answer.
~ DarkATi
Wouldn't this just continue into a bigger paradox? I understand you but I think there is something fishy in it <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif' /><!--endemo-->
@Darkati, it isnt Darkness? It wont me much sense but somehow it fits your description <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif' /><!--endemo-->
Wouldn't this just continue into a bigger paradox? I understand you but I think there is something fishy in it <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif' /><!--endemo-->
@Darkati, it isnt Darkness? It wont me much sense but somehow it fits your description <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif' /><!--endemo--> <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
The official hint: What created the game Natural-Selection? What did Flayra use? That is the answer.
~ DarkATi
and no I didnt goggle, or use any search engine =P its obvious
New Riddle :
A man went to a bar and asked for a glass of water. The barman gave him a glass of water and watched him drink it. After a while he took out his pistol and threatened to shoot the man. The man looked up with fear in his eyes, but a few moments later he smiled, thanked the barman and left the bar. What happened here?
and no I didnt goggle, or use any search engine =P its obvious
New Riddle :
A man went to a bar and asked for a glass of water. The barman gave him a glass of water and watched him drink it. After a while he took out his pistol and threatened to shoot the man. The man looked up with fear in his eyes, but a few moments later he smiled, thanked the barman and left the bar. What happened here? <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
He had too much to drink and wanted to sober up. The barmen gave him water and scared the sobriety into him.
~ DarkATi
Yes sir, Imagination.
~ DarkATi
Then she holds him under water for over 5 minutes.
Finally, she hangs him.
But 5 minutes later they both go out together and enjoy a wonderful dinner together.
How can this be?
~ DarkATi
Just so you dont get cocky. NS was made by an aimtbot.
Correct!!!
~ DarkATi
Superman
Moses
The Cabbage Patch Kids
~ DarkATi
Correct!!!
~ DarkATi <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
Hey, how do a photographer hang a man?
Correct!!!
~ DarkATi <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Hey, how do a photographer hang a man? <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
She hung his photo up to dry.
~ DarkATi
Cripes; not a word you hear every day.
~ DarkATi
What do these 3 have in common?
Superman
Moses
The Cabbage Patch Kids
~ DarkATi
What do these 3 have in common?
Superman
Moses
The Cabbage Patch Kids
~ DarkATi <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
They have all been involved in works of fiction, they all have teeth, they all have skin, they have all been animated at one point, they have all had dolls modeled after them, they have all been used to entertain children, looking for something specfic I reckon eh?