Ns affirmitive action program?
Snake13
Join Date: 2002-04-30 Member: 554Members
Join Date: 2002-04-30 Member: 554Members
<div class="IPBDescription">Politcal correctness gone to far</div>First off to avoid flaming I am NOT racsist, i hate political correctness with a blindingly furious passion.
okay first we have constant censorship on the boards....personally i belive in free speech but we have no rights here and it keeps the board civil so i can deal with it
Then we have lowered blood/gore/mature elements.... I think its sacrificing artistic vision in order to get a bigger audience/not offend anyone, but the gameplay will still rocks so once again I can deal with it
But I'm sorry this whole random black/white marine thing offends me greatly. Its this kinda of affirmitive action bullsh*t that is preserving the racism in our society (*holding back long rant on affirmitive action*), black people should be able to pick black characters white poeple white characters (well unless they want to play as a different race) Its ludicris that we should be forced to play as minoritys simply to estblish some sort of enforced diversity. I hope in the future there will be asian, hispanic, and other minority skins so all minorities are represented, but enforced representation by people who are not of these minorities is just wrong imho, just as wrong is the fact these minorities will not be presented with the option of representing themselves.
will I not play ns because of this? of course not even if i wanted to make some sort of "statement" I doubt I would be able to hold myself back from playing it cause it looks awesome. I just have the growing worry that this game is being dumbed down and sugar coated for mass-market consumtion (not to mention media consumption) and quite frankly that scares me for this games future.
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okay first we have constant censorship on the boards....personally i belive in free speech but we have no rights here and it keeps the board civil so i can deal with it
Then we have lowered blood/gore/mature elements.... I think its sacrificing artistic vision in order to get a bigger audience/not offend anyone, but the gameplay will still rocks so once again I can deal with it
But I'm sorry this whole random black/white marine thing offends me greatly. Its this kinda of affirmitive action bullsh*t that is preserving the racism in our society (*holding back long rant on affirmitive action*), black people should be able to pick black characters white poeple white characters (well unless they want to play as a different race) Its ludicris that we should be forced to play as minoritys simply to estblish some sort of enforced diversity. I hope in the future there will be asian, hispanic, and other minority skins so all minorities are represented, but enforced representation by people who are not of these minorities is just wrong imho, just as wrong is the fact these minorities will not be presented with the option of representing themselves.
will I not play ns because of this? of course not even if i wanted to make some sort of "statement" I doubt I would be able to hold myself back from playing it cause it looks awesome. I just have the growing worry that this game is being dumbed down and sugar coated for mass-market consumtion (not to mention media consumption) and quite frankly that scares me for this games future.
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Second off Flayra fixed it speciffically so that you can change your skin color in the console using a command.
Lighten up, Francis. There is no secret agenda here.
<!--EDIT|MonsieurEvil|Oct. 17 2002,12:02-->
I don't think so.
You're whole black/white argument is based on the fact that you cannot choose which skin colour you want to be, but you can. And anyway <b>what is</b> the problem with it being random? Do you really think most people actually care what skin colour their player model in NS is? I don't. I really doubt that most other people do.
This is not affirmative action against racism. It's diversity in the player models so that the marine team don't look like clones.
[Edit: you guys jump on a topic like a pack of wolves.]
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You know, there <i>are</i> some artists, Flayra being one of them, who do <i>not</i> include gore into their vision to begin with. It's just like keeping Chibiskulks, 'B*o*b' and the whole rest out.
'No Gibs = hindered art'? Where did you get that one from?
MonsE covered the point about random marine skins nicer than I could.
<!--EDIT|Nemesis Zero|Oct. 17 2002,12:12-->
bodies last for a shorter time then it takes for you to respawn and point out where you died.
I love the argument, too-- "I want to play myself!" . . . unless you're a tall, jacked, armored, well-trained space warrior, your physical appearance is so far removed from the character's <i>already</i> that the skin color is hardly a deal breaker.
And to equate random skin selection with affirmative action . . . just means that you don't really know what affirmative action is, beyond recognizing it as an inflammatory buzzword.
<!--EDIT|BathroomMonkey|Oct. 17 2002,15:10-->
Yes you could be. In a matter of fact, you are.
okay first we have constant censorship on the boards....personally i belive in free speech but we have no rights here and it keeps the board civil so i can deal with it
Then we have lowered blood/gore/mature elements.... I think its sacrificing artistic vision in order to get a bigger audience/not offend anyone, but the gameplay will still rocks so once again I can deal with it
But I'm sorry this whole random black/white marine thing offends me greatly. Its this kinda of affirmitive action bullsh*t that is preserving the racism in our society (*holding back long rant on affirmitive action*), black people should be able to pick black characters white poeple white characters (well unless they want to play as a different race) Its ludicris that we should be forced to play as minoritys simply to estblish some sort of enforced diversity. I hope in the future there will be asian, hispanic, and other minority skins so all minorities are represented, but enforced representation by people who are not of these minorities is just wrong imho, just as wrong is the fact these minorities will not be presented with the option of representing themselves.
will I not play ns because of this? of course not even if i wanted to make some sort of "statement" I doubt I would be able to hold myself back from playing it cause it looks awesome. I just have the growing worry that this game is being dumbed down and sugar coated for mass-market consumtion (not to mention media consumption) and quite frankly that scares me for this games future.
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I shall address your points one by one.
- Re, censorship. These are not public forums, they are moderated. You do not have a right to post, it is a privilege. We moderate the forums because we think the benefit gained (community, friendly environment) is a good tradeoff vs. the totally free speech you require. If you want totally free speech, go yell out side or go to any other of the 1000s of forums on the net without moderation. This is our home, and we're allowing you to enter it.
- Re, blood and gore. Maybe your artistic vision includes blood and gore, but mine does not. If you make a game, feel free to include all the dismemberment and gore you care to. There are a million games out there that include this.
- The decision to not allow people to change their skin is mostly because I want to make a (however small) statement that skin color doesn't matter. Your skin is chosen randomly and gameplay is not altered. This means there will always be a mix of players on your team and together they will unite to fight the larger threat. What's worse, not allowing you to choose, or allowing you to choose because one is "better" (for gameplay or aesthetic reasons)?
In the words of MonsE:
<b><u>NEXT!</u></b>
I do not mind the moderation on the boards and I stick by the Mods and Flay in the good work they are doing on these boards.
I do not mind the fact there is no gore, you do NOT need it, in REAL LIFE (there it is again) when you get shot you (usually) don't spray the entire contents of one artery over a wall, there is a little puft and you die, simple, (Yes there is blood in a pool afterwards usually, that leaks as the blood has nowhere else to go) and anyway, do you notice the blood in an on-line game?
On a completely OT moment, people with darker skin are better at resisting harmful UV rays and have an innumity to Sickle Cell Anemia (I think) Just a bit of info for you!
<!--EDIT|Flayra|Oct. 17 2002,15:23-->
That´s my 2 cents =)
btw you don´t need to change your skin <!--emo&:p--><img src="http://www.natural-selection.org/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':p'><!--endemo-->
Yet it all looks the same as it was, tell me what did you change Flay?
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flayra it would be nice if you actually read my post, I said we have no rights i was expressing my beliefs free speech is far too restricted here
alright I knew i shouldn't have used blood in my example cause of tunnel vision, soon as people see blood they don't even read the whole sentence. I was complaining cause i've seen at least a dozen ideas trampled with "too mature for our target audience"
okay the affirmitive action reference was a little stretched, I had just got home from having a heated debate about it at school and well... bad timing to read that new feature i guess. Still I think I should be able to play myself, and I still think the whole random skin thing is political correctness run amok
Um, How exactly?
Name one.
how is it political correctness? Flayra said it himself he's trying to make a statement that skin color doesn't matter.
ahh the more I think about it it becomes more silly, I have to kinda apologize for going off on a rant, we had a debate in school about affirmitive action and I was labeled a racist for opposing it. I got home and read about the random skin thing and got VERY angry, plus i was getting a little annoyed with the censorship which seems to be getting worse lately, I went of like a friggin powderkeg.
[what the p word which is synonimous with angry is censored? ug my school has less censorship then this board]
Or don't.
Right . . so therefore, the equality of races must be what, a forced contrivance of 'political correctness'? PC is all about artificial labels, not equality.
<!--EDIT|BathroomMonkey|Oct. 17 2002,16:07-->
About censorship - it's simple: With the broadening appeal of NS (and MonsE in possession of admin rights) the amount of locked / nuked stuff simply increased because the all around amount of postings increased.
BTW, there's a difference between political correctness and general acceptance towards diversity.
The later thing welcomes the occuring of different ethnics, the other one damns everything that doesn't.
<!--EDIT|Nemesis Zero|Oct. 17 2002,16:11-->