when there is money involved...yes very much so. <!--emo&???--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/confused.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='confused.gif' /><!--endemo-->
I guess you just bought the licence to use the music during the game. Same thing applies with movies. I have the fight club dvd, does that mean I should be entitled to the original soundtrack?
<!--QuoteBegin-Anime Tentacle Monster+Feb 27 2004, 06:26 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Anime Tentacle Monster @ Feb 27 2004, 06:26 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> So you buy a game with a soundtrack NSF:UG for example...
is it illegal to download a torrent of the game soundtrack?
being you purchaced the game... <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> Yes, there are game soundtracks sold. Most are hard to find in the US except for just exceptionally outstanding games (GTA:VC) but in other countries OST's (Original Sound Track) are readily available for purchase.
So the fact that they are for sale, yeah, that makes it illegal to DL the mp3s.
However it should be perfectly legal for you to record it yourself from the game...
If you can rip the tracks from the game, its perfectly legal. If you cant, Its not. *Disclaimer* the the Pantsu Ninja known as pieceofsoap may not actually know what he is talking about *Disclaimer*
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Yes, there are game soundtracks sold. Most are hard to find in the US except for just exceptionally outstanding games (GTA:VC) but in other countries OST's (Original Sound Track) are readily available for purchase.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Understandable, however I think its rather hypocritical though when they get mad but dont make what we want available for us.... <!--emo&:0--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/wow.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wow.gif' /><!--endemo-->
ThansalThe New ScumJoin Date: 2002-08-22Member: 1215Members, Constellation
well here are a few ones:
You can't download the soundtrack to a movie b/c you actualy don't HAVE most of that music in the movie (its generaly just small pieces of songs, if the song is even inffact in there)
Well, Homeworld has a soundtrack for sale, but hell, go to the relicnews forums, people chat in there about ripping the songs to MP3 and Relic doesn't give a damn.
<!--QuoteBegin-DOOManiac+Feb 28 2004, 03:44 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (DOOManiac @ Feb 28 2004, 03:44 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> So the fact that they are for sale, yeah, that makes it illegal to DL the mp3s.
However it should be perfectly legal for you to record it yourself from the game... <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> but isn't it legal to download the mp3's if you already have a copy yourself? just like downloading mp3's of old vinyls you have because you don't have the right equipment to transfer it to your pc?
<!--QuoteBegin-Sp@ceM0nkey+Feb 27 2004, 08:43 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Sp@ceM0nkey @ Feb 27 2004, 08:43 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> I guess you just bought the licence to use the music during the game. Same thing applies with movies. I have the fight club dvd, does that mean I should be entitled to the original soundtrack?
The answer is no. Its called fair use. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> Look, look! Somebody who doesn't know what the term "fair use" is supposed to mean! He must work for the RIAA!
The spirit of fair use, the very core of it, has always been that you can do whatever you want with stuff you've bought, as long as you don't make money doing it, or cut down the owner's profits by redistributing.
I don't think you can download the tracks from a published soundtrack, since the soundtrack is a seperate product. If the songs are there on the CD as audio tracks, you can use them, if not, I don't think you're allowed to rip/download them.
ThansalThe New ScumJoin Date: 2002-08-22Member: 1215Members, Constellation
007, Fairuse dosn't mean anytihng any more.
This is sad and unfortunate, but it basicaly dosn'
and xect as it basicaly right, if some one else was to rip them from the game you could then download em (that does fall under fair use with no questions), but downloading the OST would probably not be underfair use (As OSTs tend to be honestly different then what you get ingame)
<!--QuoteBegin-Thansal+Feb 28 2004, 09:51 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Thansal @ Feb 28 2004, 09:51 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> It depends on what your countries laws are reguarding copyrites. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> Almost none <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif' /><!--endemo-->
<!--QuoteBegin-Thansal+Feb 28 2004, 05:03 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Thansal @ Feb 28 2004, 05:03 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> thats actualy hard to believe. (simply b/c no artist would ever make any money in your country).
there is a godo chance that the govn't there is very lax about enforcing them, however that dosn't stop the RIAA from suing the ponce off of you.
However, you would have to find out for your self by actualy looking into your laws. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> Bring it RIAA.
<!--QuoteBegin-Thansal+Feb 28 2004, 10:03 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Thansal @ Feb 28 2004, 10:03 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> thats actualy hard to believe. (simply b/c no artist would ever make any money in your country).
there is a godo chance that the govn't there is very lax about enforcing them, however that dosn't stop the RIAA from suing the ponce off of you.
However, you would have to find out for your self by actualy looking into your laws. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> w/e , come visit us, you will see for yourself.
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It is legal to rip them yourself, but it is illegal to download someone else's rip. The first counts as fair use. the rationale is that somehow the copy that someone else has is actually a different recording even though in reality they are bit exact.
<!--QuoteBegin-Thansal+Feb 28 2004, 10:03 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Thansal @ Feb 28 2004, 10:03 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> there is a godo chance that the govn't there is very lax about enforcing them, however that dosn't stop the RIAA from suing the ponce off of you. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> Yes it would. RIAA is strictly a US organization, and while many countries have equivalent organizations, not half of them have the same amount of power and/or ruthlessness as ours.
Go find whoever you're getting your info from and slap them to death.
<!--QuoteBegin-moultano+Feb 28 2004, 03:20 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (moultano @ Feb 28 2004, 03:20 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> It is legal to rip them yourself, but it is illegal to download someone else's rip. The first counts as fair use. the rationale is that somehow the copy that someone else has is actually a different recording even though in reality they are bit exact. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> No, that's a crock. If you have it, you have it. If you have a legal copy of the media, it is illegal to upload, not download. The problem with a fileshare service like Kazaa is that unless you switch the thing into high leech mode, you automatically redistribute what you're grabbing. This also makes a download tool like bitTorrent questionable, but I think it could probably be defended in court unless the judge were a complete know-nothing as far as tech is concerned.
BT is perfectly legal, it's just wether the things you put up are allowed. I believe they put up Red Hat (the dld able version) as an example torrent on their site. That's allowed, just like putting something like a free mod (with the correct copyright and legal mumbo-jumbo) but distributing illegal software is, well, illegal.
<!--QuoteBegin-Cereal_KillR+Feb 28 2004, 03:32 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Cereal_KillR @ Feb 28 2004, 03:32 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> BT is perfectly legal, it's just wether the things you put up are allowed. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> The same goes for Kazaa. I wasn't saying either one of the utilities are illegal themselves, that's stupid crap I'd expect a RIAA marketroid to spout off. What I'm saying is that the practice of using bT to download copyrighted files you already have a legal copy of in some other medium is questionable, but defensible.
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You just broke the law, son.
The answer is no. Its called fair use.
is it illegal to download a torrent of the game soundtrack?
being you purchaced the game... <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
Yes, there are game soundtracks sold. Most are hard to find in the US except for just exceptionally outstanding games (GTA:VC) but in other countries OST's (Original Sound Track) are readily available for purchase.
So the fact that they are for sale, yeah, that makes it illegal to DL the mp3s.
However it should be perfectly legal for you to record it yourself from the game...
*Disclaimer* the the Pantsu Ninja known as pieceofsoap may not actually know what he is talking about *Disclaimer*
Understandable, however I think its rather hypocritical though when they get mad but dont make what we want available for us.... <!--emo&:0--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/wow.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wow.gif' /><!--endemo-->
You can't download the soundtrack to a movie b/c you actualy don't HAVE most of that music in the movie (its generaly just small pieces of songs, if the song is even inffact in there)
Same often (though not always) Goes for games.
However it should be perfectly legal for you to record it yourself from the game... <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
but isn't it legal to download the mp3's if you already have a copy yourself? just like downloading mp3's of old vinyls you have because you don't have the right equipment to transfer it to your pc?
The answer is no. Its called fair use. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
Look, look! Somebody who doesn't know what the term "fair use" is supposed to mean! He must work for the RIAA!
The spirit of fair use, the very core of it, has always been that you can do whatever you want with stuff you've bought, as long as you don't make money doing it, or cut down the owner's profits by redistributing.
This is sad and unfortunate, but it basicaly dosn'
and xect as it basicaly right, if some one else was to rip them from the game you could then download em (that does fall under fair use with no questions), but downloading the OST would probably not be underfair use (As OSTs tend to be honestly different then what you get ingame)
It depends on what your countries laws are reguarding copyrites.
It depends on what your countries laws are reguarding copyrites. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
Almost none <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif' /><!--endemo-->
there is a godo chance that the govn't there is very lax about enforcing them, however that dosn't stop the RIAA from suing the ponce off of you.
However, you would have to find out for your self by actualy looking into your laws.
there is a godo chance that the govn't there is very lax about enforcing them, however that dosn't stop the RIAA from suing the ponce off of you.
However, you would have to find out for your self by actualy looking into your laws. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
Bring it RIAA.
Netherlands > you. <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo-->
there is a godo chance that the govn't there is very lax about enforcing them, however that dosn't stop the RIAA from suing the ponce off of you.
However, you would have to find out for your self by actualy looking into your laws. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
w/e , come visit us, you will see for yourself.
That's so true. >:\
The first counts as fair use.
the rationale is that somehow the copy that someone else has is actually a different recording even though in reality they are bit exact.
Yes it would. RIAA is strictly a US organization, and while many countries have equivalent organizations, not half of them have the same amount of power and/or ruthlessness as ours.
Go find whoever you're getting your info from and slap them to death.
The first counts as fair use.
the rationale is that somehow the copy that someone else has is actually a different recording even though in reality they are bit exact. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
No, that's a crock. If you have it, you have it. If you have a legal copy of the media, it is illegal to upload, not download. The problem with a fileshare service like Kazaa is that unless you switch the thing into high leech mode, you automatically redistribute what you're grabbing. This also makes a download tool like bitTorrent questionable, but I think it could probably be defended in court unless the judge were a complete know-nothing as far as tech is concerned.
The same goes for Kazaa. I wasn't saying either one of the utilities are illegal themselves, that's stupid crap I'd expect a RIAA marketroid to spout off. What I'm saying is that the practice of using bT to download copyrighted files you already have a legal copy of in some other medium is questionable, but defensible.