Im An Idiot, I Know.

eveninthefuturealienssuckeveninthefuturealienssuck Join Date: 2004-02-28 Member: 26967Members
this is very random, i know.

but... how come you guys still havnt
made it so that there arent 4 people in the
waiting room, waiting for someone else to join aliens?
the game will never make retail if you have one side that
truly sucks. give them an accurate firing weapon
or something for aliens sake.

MAYBE i havnt played the game enough, ill admit.
but this was happening in the first beta.

the aliens need some MAJOR help.
noone in their right mind would play
on a team without projectile (lead) weapons.
and dont give me some horse ninny about
exploding gastric juices.

patience is for RPGs, not first person shotoers.

just a thought.
flame me if you want.
you probably will.

those who do should move off-world.

a VERY cool concept for a game. minus the non-sophisticated aliens.

aliensstillsuck
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  • BizZy_9mm_MessiahBizZy_9mm_Messiah Old School Member Join Date: 2003-07-25 Member: 18411Members, Constellation
    edited February 2004
    <!--QuoteBegin-eveninthefuturealienssuck+Feb 28 2004, 11:04 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (eveninthefuturealienssuck @ Feb 28 2004, 11:04 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> this is very random, i know.

    but... how come you guys still havnt
    made it so that there arent 4 people in the
    waiting room, waiting for someone else to join aliens?
    the game will never make retail if you have one side that
    truly sucks. give them an accurate firing weapon
    or something for aliens sake.

    MAYBE i havnt played the game enough, ill admit.
    but this was happening in the first beta.

    the aliens need some MAJOR help.
    noone in their right mind would play
    on a team without projectile (lead) weapons.
    and dont give me some horse ninny about
    exploding gastric juices.

    patience is for RPGs, not first person shotoers.

    just a thought.
    flame me if you want.
    you probably will.

    those who do should move off-world.

    a VERY cool concept for a game. minus the non-sophisticated aliens.

    aliensstillsuck <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    Well, I guess this post shows that clearly you haven't been playing around experienced aliens. Like you said before, and no I'm not flaming. Aliens are pretty easy to win with when the team cooperates. New alien players tend to go off and do their own thing, basically for their own benefit not the team. Aliens don't need guns to be good. Any person who knows how to use aliens and easily take out 2 LA/HMG'ers. Its not about the weapons, like stated before, its about how familiar and skilled you are with the aliens. A lot of new people take to marines because it's easier to play as marines, even recommended you play as a marine first if you're new to the game.
  • uberbrokeuberbroke Join Date: 2002-11-01 Member: 2438Members
    edited February 2004
    Hmm where are those map stats when you need them.... Weren't aliens winning more in general than the marines?

    Correct me if I'm wrong.
  • DaxxDaxx Join Date: 2002-04-16 Member: 460Members, Constellation, Reinforced - Shadow
    <img src='http://lumbercartel.freeyellow.com/troll3.gif' border='0' alt='user posted image' />


    Kharaa could use some beefing, mostly in the Hive 3 ablities area, but for the most part they are fine.
  • uberbrokeuberbroke Join Date: 2002-11-01 Member: 2438Members
    <!--QuoteBegin-Daxx22+Feb 28 2004, 08:23 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Daxx22 @ Feb 28 2004, 08:23 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <img src='http://lumbercartel.freeyellow.com/troll3.gif' border='0' alt='user posted image' />


    Kharaa could use some beefing, mostly in the Hive 3 ablities area, but for the most part they are fine. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    I don't think he's a troll. It's probably another new player very much concerned with the game balance of this mod.... From a new player's point of view.
  • DaxxDaxx Join Date: 2002-04-16 Member: 460Members, Constellation, Reinforced - Shadow
    edited February 2004
    With that name? If it was Daniel, Joe, Sally, or Futhark, I wouldn't bat an eyelash.

    Its a relativly nice troll, and he may not realize its a troll, but its still a troll.
  • Renegade.Renegade. Join Date: 2003-01-15 Member: 12313Members, Constellation
    At least his post matches his title. Exactly who do you think you are coming into the forums after playing perhaps two or three games that you lost as alien and start b1tching about it from here to infinity. Stop wasting time posting cr4p and use it actually improving your skills so you can enjoy all the features that NS has to offer.
  • eveninthefuturealienssuckeveninthefuturealienssuck Join Date: 2004-02-28 Member: 26967Members
    edited February 2004
    i appreciate the input. i really do.
    i guess i havnt found enough servers were people
    cooperate. thanks for the responses guys. im not
    a total idiot.. although my post makes me out to be one.
    i still think that majority speaks when i come into a server and
    all those random people are watching me,
    and waiting for me to join aliens.

    again, thanks for the intelligent responses.

    aliensmightnotbesobad.

    and to the last poster..."@nthony"
    infinity? you have no clue where that is sir.
    because you wouldnt have gotten a chance to post in
    this thread had i gone that far. i was being serious.
    albeit exaggerating, you are being facetious.
    if i need a laugh i can always come back to your post.
  • DaxxDaxx Join Date: 2002-04-16 Member: 460Members, Constellation, Reinforced - Shadow
    <!--QuoteBegin-eveninthefuturealienssuck+Feb 28 2004, 11:44 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (eveninthefuturealienssuck @ Feb 28 2004, 11:44 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> aliensmightnotbesobad. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    No, thier not. In fact, get used to them, use a bit of teamwork, and you'll wipe the floor with the marines.


    Now register with a real name, and perhaps we'll take your posts more seriously <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif' /><!--endemo-->
  • BizZy_9mm_MessiahBizZy_9mm_Messiah Old School Member Join Date: 2003-07-25 Member: 18411Members, Constellation
    <!--QuoteBegin-Daxx22+Feb 28 2004, 11:46 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Daxx22 @ Feb 28 2004, 11:46 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-eveninthefuturealienssuck+Feb 28 2004, 11:44 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (eveninthefuturealienssuck @ Feb 28 2004, 11:44 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> aliensmightnotbesobad. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    No, thier not. In fact, get used to them, use a bit of teamwork, and you'll wipe the floor with the marines.


    Now register with a real name, and perhaps we'll take your posts more seriously <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif' /><!--endemo--> <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    I think it's a funny name.
  • WarriorWarrior Join Date: 2003-02-16 Member: 13624Members
    In pubs you will feel that way. Once you see people who play to improve their skills you will see that aliens are not one bit too week. Pub aliens are pathetic. They cant ambush, they rush you like they have 500 hp. Watch a organised game and aliens can own marines. There are some pub aliens that are good but theres not enough of them.
  • CaCaCaCa Join Date: 2003-06-12 Member: 17319Members
    I think your problem is that you just don't like playing with bizarre, unknown lifeforms, who do not use lead to defend their kind...

    so, my suggestion is: that's ok, keep playing (and waiting in line for) marine... case closed...
  • BizZy_9mm_MessiahBizZy_9mm_Messiah Old School Member Join Date: 2003-07-25 Member: 18411Members, Constellation
    Eveninthefuture, if you have mIRC, join #nspug and watch pug play. You can probably pick up some strats and moves yourself to better your gameplay. You'll see some organized alien play also.
  • Renegade.Renegade. Join Date: 2003-01-15 Member: 12313Members, Constellation
    Eventually, you had to see it my way:
    "aliensmightnotbesobad."
    <!--emo&;)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/wink.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink.gif' /><!--endemo-->
  • eveninthefuturealienssuckeveninthefuturealienssuck Join Date: 2004-02-28 Member: 26967Members
    ill stick with the name until i find a server with said "teamwork".
    i ALWAYS join the team that is in need. never do i resort to to
    joining the marines over the losing aliens. and yes i have been
    playing this game long enough to see that nothing has changed.
    if the aliens had the ability to rely on the relative skill of one
    person controlling a bunch of drones.... (marines) then sure,
    i think the game would be balanced. but its impossible to say that
    until these things are adressed. at this point the game reminds me of
    a biased society relying on its differences to make a difference.
    troll is wrong, more like orge or gorge.
  • ForlornForlorn Join Date: 2002-11-01 Member: 2634Banned
    In pub games, I can agree with the notion that aliens suck (pub play = games around 10 v 10)
  • 7Bistromath7Bistromath Join Date: 2003-12-04 Member: 23928Members, Constellation
    Issues of balance and teamwork and all that theoretical blah blah blah junk aside, I can tell you straight off why it's like that.

    Aliens are not weak. They are difficult. New players are encouraged (rightly so) to stick with the marines until they get used to things. That's why there's so much stacking. Personally, I don't think it's such a problem. Marine is just a better place to get a grasp on things, because your personal failings are downplayed, while your accomplishments bring much greater rewards.
  • IBTIBT Join Date: 2003-10-22 Member: 21879Members
    ailens do not suck, they fight in there own style with eating, marines also attack in there own style with guns.
    if you rember that nothing in nature moves in a straight line, rines may have a hard time hitting you.
    your just not used to them, get used to ailens and trust me, they would defenataly overpower rines. give things time and if things still suck while your them, then its not the ailens that suck, its WHO the ailens are.
  • Renegade.Renegade. Join Date: 2003-01-15 Member: 12313Members, Constellation
    I'm surprised to hear veterans agreeing with this, Raf1bit looks like just me and you can see past this. I DO NOT encourage newbies to start off with marines because that will send them into an tenacious habit of stacking marines. I remember my first game (when every1 was knew) trying to do such that, I was forced to join aliens and found them mighty awkward.. but not sucky! I did not all of sudden come on the forums are start typing in the game "ALIENS SUCK !! THIS GAME SUCKS". Sure I was down right frustrated that every time I turned a corner I would get popped in less than the time I even knew where it was coming from. And sure I was pulling out my hair every time I was right behind a guy, bit him and lost sight of him. But I stuck with it knowing it was not aliens that sucked, but rather my inability to play their unique style. I suggest to all newbies to try aliens FIRST. IF you can get the hang of them everything else just seems to flow much easier, inlcuding marines.
  • WarriorWarrior Join Date: 2003-02-16 Member: 13624Members
    Most vets always have agreed that pub play is not fair for aliens. Clan play imo is very balanced and more fun then 2.01. Marines upgrades are just way to cheap/effective when 10 people receive them. Keep playing a pub or find a more organised game/server. Aliens do not suck when they are played like they should be played.
  • remiremi remedy [blu.knight] Join Date: 2003-11-18 Member: 23112Members, Super Administrators, Forum Admins, NS2 Developer, NS2 Playtester
    When I started, I went aliens first, for aliens were much different from CS. And I was sick of CS. My second game was marine.

    I remember accidentally dropping a SC on a res node by accident, and not understanding that aliens don't have a commander. At one point I thought the hive sight blips were alien waypoints... lol

    And then in my marine game, I tried to get guns out of the armslab, cause I hit e on it, and the commander dropped one on me, so I just kept doing that. lol. It was great, my first rine game, and I got a shotgun and jetpack. <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo-->

    Oh, and when I realized lerks could fly. Lol.

    I was like WOAH. <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo-->
  • eveninthefuturealienssuckeveninthefuturealienssuck Join Date: 2004-02-28 Member: 26967Members
    i agree with all of your thoughts, i think playing marines first,
    is indeed logical, although to play as aliens first might give you better
    handle on how the overall game should be played.
    i, anthony never said the game sucked by any strech.
    i think it has potential overall to be one of the better games.
    i just dont think every one is in a clan, nor do most people
    intend to be. this will make it very difficult on the whole
    to be widely popular. Agreed, any team game without teamwork
    will be frustrating, if not lame. but when the effects of no teamwork
    are so drastically noticable, i tend to feel that the game as a whole
    will suffer. i didnt mean to be "trollish" last night. i had one too many,
    joined a NS server and proceded to yell into my mic to "get to the
    hive that is being destroyed" about a thousand times while my team
    of skulks rushed into the marine base to snack on the command
    console amidst a sea of sentries. this has been my experience on
    more then one occasion.

    regards,
    eveninthefuture
  • Diablo_fxDiablo_fx Join Date: 2003-02-21 Member: 13793Members
    The aliens in combat kinda owns realy, when does a ha lvl 10 beat a lvl 10 onos with stomp? never, exept if the onos sucks big time. Its just stomp devour gg...

    In early game just get regen, celerty, leap and focus and you be good to go with all the lvl 0 armors begging to get killed.

    In normal ns tho aliens suck big time...
  • im_lostim_lost TWG Rule Guru Join Date: 2003-04-26 Member: 15861Members
    To the original poster, posts are nicer to read if you let the words go all the way across the screen, rather than hitting the return key to drop down to the next line. When all of the lines end at completely different spots it is a little annoying to read (at least I think so). As far as the actual topic goes, I learned to play aliens before marines. Skulking was difficult, especially finding where things were, and learning to gorge was difficult (this was in 1.04), but I eventually figured it out.
  • AscelonAscelon Join Date: 2004-02-29 Member: 26969Members
    Just play in an NS map and see how everyone evolves to Onos and kicks marines @$$, it's preatty annoying when you're marine but fun when you're alien. <!--emo&;)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/wink.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink.gif' /><!--endemo-->
  • pyrepyre Join Date: 2002-11-02 Member: 3864Members
    Aliens far from suck, they require a lot more practice to play effectively. Marines have a more limited learned skillset than aliens do. The most complex nuance of marines to pick up effectively is probably the jetpack. Other than that, you really only have to know how to shoot and know how to check ambush spots. As an alien, you have a variety of different lifeforms to learn, each with different playstyles. Each lifeform has 4 different abilities, some of which take time to master by themselves, like web. You end up combining attacks (leap/bite ..etc) and you have to pick your fights and know your limits. Add onto this you have 9 different abilities that can augment your playstyle.

    Most people new to NS think the aliens suck. I did back in 1.04, but after a bit of practice I learned it really wasn't so. Hell, once you learned it, the lerk in 1.04 was a one man army. You could take down droves of marines with that little beast. Almost like the current fade can be, a good lerk in 1.04 was untouchable.
  • CaCaCaCa Join Date: 2003-06-12 Member: 17319Members
    only about aliens better/worse than marines:

    I play regularly in pubs only, and, truth is, it's a 50-50 chance for any team to win, <i>always</i>... I mean, that's how it is... the randomness of pub servers won't allow for anything else... total randomness...

    so if aliens suck more than marines on pubs or vice-versa, 'tis only a matter of fate... O_o
  • SopsSops Join Date: 2003-07-03 Member: 17894Members, Constellation
    I've loved to play alliens (skulk) since the early days on 1.04, just them noobies that stack rine <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo-->
  • SynapsisRacerSynapsisRacer Join Date: 2002-11-16 Member: 8974Members
    <!--QuoteBegin-Maverick102+Feb 29 2004, 03:08 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Maverick102 @ Feb 29 2004, 03:08 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> I've loved to play alliens (skulk) since the early days on 1.04, just them noobies that stack rine <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo--> <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    I miss babblers *sniff sniff* <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif' /><!--endemo-->
  • DaxxDaxx Join Date: 2002-04-16 Member: 460Members, Constellation, Reinforced - Shadow
    <!--QuoteBegin-Forlorn+Feb 29 2004, 12:17 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Forlorn @ Feb 29 2004, 12:17 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> In pub games, I can agree with the notion that aliens suck (pub play = games around 10 v 10) <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    And the game isn't balanced for that many players. The magic balance seems to be achieved between 6-8 players per side. Less than that, Kharaa have the resource advantage, more and they are disadvantaged. Thats why I generally stick to servers with 16 max player slots. Usualy keeps it even. Sometimes you get get good games out of the large servers, but they are usualy the exception, not the norm.
  • SilverwingSilverwing bulletsponge Join Date: 2003-11-23 Member: 23395Members, Constellation
    Hehe. I was desperately trying to figure out what song he is spoofing until I (at the 3rd post) realized that it's just over-eager use of Enter... <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif' /><!--endemo--> Looks so much like lyrics...

    Aside from that, this thread is bunk.
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