UK ISP's get some cojones
MonsieurEvil
Join Date: 2002-01-22 Member: 4Members, Retired Developer, NS1 Playtester, Contributor
Join Date: 2002-01-22 Member: 4Members, Retired Developer, NS1 Playtester, Contributor
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<div class="IPBDescription">I give Nem .0001 seconds before response</div><a href="http://www.theregus.com/content/6/26726.html" target="_blank">UK ISPs oppose data retention</a>
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<!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td><b>Quote</b> </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"><!--QuoteEBegin-->The Internet Service Providers Association (which represents ISPs) remains unconvinced that government requirements to customer email and Web site logs over extended periods is necessary in the fight against serious crime and terrorism, The Guardian reports. ISPs are concerned about the cost and privacy implications of changing their procedures to allow law enforcement access to customer data, introduced as part of the Anti-Terrorism Crime and Security Act of last December.
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I'm guessing the cost was more of a factor than the morality of it, but whatever gets the job done. A related article about this for the EU can be found <a href="http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/6/26751.html" target="_blank">here</a> and for the whole earth <a href="http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/6/25311.html" target="_blank">here</a>.
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<!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td><b>Quote</b> </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"><!--QuoteEBegin-->The Internet Service Providers Association (which represents ISPs) remains unconvinced that government requirements to customer email and Web site logs over extended periods is necessary in the fight against serious crime and terrorism, The Guardian reports. ISPs are concerned about the cost and privacy implications of changing their procedures to allow law enforcement access to customer data, introduced as part of the Anti-Terrorism Crime and Security Act of last December.
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I'm guessing the cost was more of a factor than the morality of it, but whatever gets the job done. A related article about this for the EU can be found <a href="http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/6/26751.html" target="_blank">here</a> and for the whole earth <a href="http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/6/25311.html" target="_blank">here</a>.
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On topic, you said it yourself - whatever gets the job done.
It's a sad thing to see that Great Britain, with a justice system that once was considered the perfect example for the rest of the world, now puts an even higher pressure on its citizens rights than any other country in the western world.
I mean, c'mon - do you really believe that your cities get safer because you've spent millions on video surveillance? That plugging everyones phones is the right action against criminals? That putting <i>everyone</i> under the suspicion of being a child molester / terrorist / what have you will help <i>save democracy</i>?
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OK it does invade privacy but usually the police force require a legal document to say they can spy on your data, at least they used to, but if they do spy on my internet connectio all they'll find out about is my anime addiction and the NS problem I have
(And yes I am British)
I love it when people come up with such statements.
"Oh, why should I be afraid of a state that records two hours of my life a day? It's not as if I'd be doing anything wrong during that time."
Close KaZaA and say that again, please.
Oh, and tell me, have you ever visited any political site (And that includes pretty much all HPs of good British humorists, just look at Bill Hicks and Sacred Cow.)
Do one homework about fundementalism and search the web for material, make one wrong click, and have the data revised by someone nitpicky.
Believe me, if someone gathers enough data, he'll be able to prove anything. Just give him a reason.
I don't believe in privacy on the internet, and so in a way this doesn't bother me too much.
Also, it means sometimes the guy next to you is shouting too loudly and offensivly and yet you are forced to put up with it.
Free speech does not mean freedom to break the law, be it copyright abuse, child porn or whatever.
Therefore, by recording everyones internet activity, GBs government not only assumes that it rules a country of notorious child molesters, murderers or terrorists, but also leaves the age old foundation of all laws - 'when in doubt, be in favor of the culprit'.
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OK this needs a bit of clearing up! Are you insulting me???
If so I don't care I just want to make sure, And no I really only spend time on Anime and NS! I really do!
It doesn't do that at all, because the system would never find innocent people guilty.
And what kind of Anime are you watching? Better be sure nothing even Hentai-related is amongst it.
Imagine getting accused of something, and the lawyer starts questioning your personality and starts talking about the awful pornographic material that was found in your netlogs.
[edit]Or he refers to your violent tendencies displayed in those barbaric online games where you bite human heads off.[/edit]
Laugh, but there are whole trials decided by such stuff.
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Hentai is sick! Its for Perverts that don't quite know what LIFE! is.
Nah its mainly Neon Genesis Evangelion, and the theory behind the story and characters. Mind you Ghost in the shell is in there too, And animebabes, but I won't go there...... (And no there isn't hentai there does DoD count as violent???)
Back on topic:
Sure it's a big deal if a government tries to control the internet (and non-internet) habits of their citizens.
You 'might' find one or two people who are fanatics of Al Quaida... but you see the privates of other millions.. and that's not right.
Just go to google and search their for hemp. -> woohooboo 3v1l!
But the government knows it. Well now hemp is nothing heavy... try and search for cocain... You know what I want to say right?
/me points out NSA
Over and out.
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No he isn't. It's Bush.[/EDIT]
I think it's obvious that I was exaggerating to a certain extent.
All I wanted to show is that if you think you're safe - think again.
If someone is searching for prove and has a sufficentely high heap of data to dig in, he'll find what he needs.
Oh dear, his smile scares me....
It doesn't do that at all, because the system would never find innocent people guilty.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Erm... Need I tell you why <i>the system</i> of the US is currently going through all death penalties again? Believe me, it's not because reading the files is so much fun.
Innocent people get under suspicion at every day, innocent people are found guilty every day.
No system in the world that has one human involved will ever be able not to.
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Do YOU want them viewing YOUR inbox?
Subscribe to Private Eye - you'll see the real meaining of satire.
As for it being Bush watching me - I fear he'd just say that he was going to watch me but when popular opinion goes against it he'll change his mind.
"There are my people - I must find out where they are going so I can lead them" - Some former British Prime Minister who's name I forget.
[edit] Three posts in a day - a new record for me [edit]
"Well, you let us see what internet pages you view, so why not let us read your e-mail?"
"You let us read your e-mail, so why not let us see what's on your computer."
"You let us look at your hard drive, so why not let us install this camera into your ceiling?"
"You let us...ah, screw it. That's just a normal shower faucet head, ma'am. Yes, nothing strange about it at all..."
OK, so maybe there's a bit of an stretch from one point to the next, but once it begins, how much of a stretch?
And yes, DoD could be used to show that you have violent tendencies. At least in an American court. Keep in mind that the only way to get on the jury is to prove that you are completely clueless about the trial they are about to commence.
-Ryan!
Inside every cynic there's an idealist desperately yearning to be let out, and when they are let out they're usually a real pain and cause all sorts of trouble.
-- Chris Boucher
The common misconception seems to be that this is about the police, MI5 etc having access to your stuff ( they can do that already,although, god knows why they would want to..). Nope, this is about almost anyone in any government related job getting free reign to go fishing through your e-mail. Including, all local and district councils, department of environment, postal services, fisheries, department of food (!?).
The government have said this facility will only be available to officials of a certain rank, but refuses to say what that rank will be..
What I find most disturbing is the number of people who take the "well, if you haven't done anything wrong you have nothing to hide.." attitude..it doesn't matter if you haven't done anything, this is a big 'ol governmental fishing trip, cunningly launched in the aftermath of Sept 11th on the pretense of "fighting terrorism".
<a href="http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk_news/story/0,3604,731051,00.html" target="_blank">http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk_news/story/0,3604,731051,00.html</a>
All seems a bit shady to me...
Edit: I'm new around here, so if you all covered all this 6 months ago, just ignore that..^
"1984 here we come!"