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MightyDarK · March 2004

<div class="IPBDescription">wrong hud</div> as skulk in the beta3 of ns 3.0 it stands on hud that leap does 80 DMG ... it does about 4 . it says that onos charge does "incredible" well thats not true. its does nearly nothing damage. dont know why but i feel there been some other mistakes hmm does xeno really do 200 ? ..... well my question is why is the hud telling one thing and the game another is this on purpose ? ... and is there other attacks that dont do the written dmg ?

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CutterJoe · March 2004

Well its still beta so Im sure most of the small asthetic things will be taken care of later. But I have noticed some descrepentcies as well.

Tyrain · March 2004

Charge IS doing incredible much damange... but it's just sooooooooo DAMN hard to handle that only real masters of charge kann cause chaos. Leap is almost the same... but a bit easier and yep it's doing 80 damage <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif' />

Nikon · March 2004

for the leap damage, i believe that is for its max damange, ie staying on someone for the maximum number of *touches*, and yes, xeno does do somewhere around 200 dmg, you can kill a vanilla rine with xeno if you are right next to him

Insomnia · March 2004

Um u are reading an outdated manual. charge does pathetic damage. LEap does pathetic damage. Those where the values back in 1.04. Onos charge used to take down hvys in a single second. Ne way armor 2 on marines lets normal marines survive one xeno if ur right next to him.

Nikon · March 2004

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Insomnia @ Mar 17 2004, 04:17 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> Um u are reading an outdated manual. charge does pathetic damage. LEap does pathetic damage. Those where the values back in 1.04. Onos charge used to take down hvys in a single second. Ne way armor 2 on marines lets normal marines survive one xeno if ur right next to him.  </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> 
this is why i said vanilla rines, not rines with Armor2

Javert · March 2004

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> ([BFG]-|NiKoN|- @ Mar 17 2004, 04:27 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> </div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Insomnia @ Mar 17 2004, 04:17 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> Um u are reading an outdated manual. charge does pathetic damage. LEap does pathetic damage. Those where the values back in 1.04. Onos charge used to take down hvys in a single second. Ne way armor 2 on marines lets normal marines survive one xeno if ur right next to him. </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'>
this is why i said vanilla rines, not rines with Armor2  </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> 
Right next to them? I don't think Armor2 would protect either.
I think you're looking at an old manual.

Standard · March 2004

i think with lvl 2 armour you will still survive from a xeno but im not sure, ive never had a skulk on my face when its xenos.

EZero · March 2004

rines with armor 2 will survive xeno

armor absorbs like what... 1.5 dmg or 2 dmg per armor point?

not clear on that but they WILL survive with armor 2

ColHapablap · March 2004

I think armor absorbs 80% of the damage but i could be way off.

Mintman · March 2004

Armour must absorb 2 out of 3 points of damage or something along those lines. Otherwise you wouldn't go from 100/25 to 75/0 after a single bitegun hit.

(teehee bitegun)

Ahnteis · March 2004

alien armor absorption is based number of hives

marine armor aborption is fixed but the amount of armor changes

Norml_E_High · March 2004

Actually, I think leap does do 80 damage. The thing is, when you leap at a marine you hit them and like slide off or something. I remember somebody saying if a marine is in a corner, and you aim down and leap at him, you will get full damage. Not like you'll be able to do that to every marine you come across, or even 1 marine, but, food for thought.

Renegade. · March 2004

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Norml E. High @ Mar 17 2004, 11:25 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> Actually, I think leap does do 80 damage. The thing is, when you leap at a marine you hit them and like slide off or something. I remember somebody saying if a marine is in a corner, and you aim down and leap at him, you will get full damage. Not like you'll be able to do that to every marine you come across, or even 1 marine, but, food for thought.  </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> 
I don't know.... I actually tried this on my LAN. I'm talkin bout IN YOUR FACE kinda leaping and was suprised to find that, even with a perfect "all-touches-make-contact" leap, I was still only able to get him down to 80|10 (I'm not sure about the armour though, but I'm positive the hp was 80)

Cypher · March 2004

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Insomnia @ Mar 17 2004, 07:17 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> Um u are reading an outdated manual. charge does pathetic damage. LEap does pathetic damage. Those where the values back in 1.04. Onos charge used to take down hvys in a single second. Ne way armor 2 on marines lets normal marines survive one xeno if ur right next to him.  </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> 
He's not reading a manual...He's talking about ingame.

I'd say the values for maximum damage on all of them are pretty true...Especially xeno, 200 damage sounds exactly right, armor subtracts alot...As for leap, it's pretty hard to get an accurate damage measure on it anyway, for both Charge and Leap, I think whatever it says in damage is useless because of the factors involving how the damage is registered and distributed...

BOBDolol · March 2004

leap will do 80 damage on a marine with 0 armor given that you stay on him for a full second.

MightyDarK · March 2004

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Tyrain @ Mar 18 2004, 12:20 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> Charge IS doing incredible much damange... but it's just sooooooooo DAMN hard to handle that only real masters of charge kann cause chaos. Leap is almost the same... but a bit easier and yep it's doing 80 damage <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif' />  </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> 
nope its not doign 80 dmg testet it with a friend boute 4 dmg

MightyDarK · March 2004

guys that think leap does 80 DMG ! start a lan game set friendlyfire to 1 and see that it tages ages to kill an MC or a Hive wiyth leap but not with bite !

Align · March 2004

Leap doesn't do 80 dmg instantly, like bite does. It does 80 damage over one second.
To test, start a server with cheats on(otherwise the game wont start), join marines and put up any building.
Go back to readyrom and join aliens again. Create another hive(using the 'spawnhive' command), turn on mp_drawdamage and then go to marine start. Leap against the building of choice and keep walking towards it. You should see a LOT of 4's floating up from the building. Chances are, it totals to 80.

Benaiah · March 2004

i think the values are incorrect or maybe the engine is bugged.

There is no way you can get 20 touches from 1 leap.

That said it does more damage than ppl thing, the reason why not many people get leap kills anymore is once you switch from leap back to bitgun the leap stops doing damage. And you can switch from leap to bite instantly and most ppl do.

my 2 cents...

Ahnteis · March 2004

leap used to be FPS based and actually had some potential for causing damage. (Same thing with charge.)

The messages in-game haven't been changed.

Lucky · March 2004

There's a mod out there that shows damage done RPG-style. Leap does 4 and charge 16 damage for each touch they score, and touches come very fast if you "hug" the enemy. However, even if you kill the enemy with leap/charge (charge kills are actually quite common on 3 hives and la marines in marine spawn, at least I usually score at least a couple of those per game where I onos at three hives in the end), it won't nessesarily show up as a charge kill - the weapon shown to have made the kill is the one you have currently selected. And with both charge and leap you start the charge/leap and then switch to another weapon as you close on the marines. This causes the game to show that the kill was made with the weapon selected, not charge/leap like it should have been (insta-swallow is actually a charge kill with devour selected and it looks kinda funny - and makes some newer 'rines think that you're a cheater of some sort)

MightyDarK · March 2004

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (BOBDOLOL @ Mar 18 2004, 07:28 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> leap will do 80 damage on a marine with 0 armor given that you stay on him for a full second.  </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> 
ahh i get it its about time... that suck <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /> <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/nerd.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='nerd.gif' />

MightyDarK · March 2004

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Align @ Mar 18 2004, 08:09 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> Leap doesn't do 80 dmg instantly, like bite does. It does 80 damage over one second.
To test, start a server with cheats on(otherwise the game wont start), join marines and put up any building.
Go back to readyrom and join aliens again. Create another hive(using the 'spawnhive' command), turn on mp_drawdamage and then go to marine start. Leap against the building of choice and keep walking towards it. You should see a LOT of 4's floating up from the building. Chances are, it totals to 80.  </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> 
got it thx.. ^_^

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