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  • Daza4Daza4 Kerc Kasha Join Date: 2003-04-06 Member: 15233Members
    <!--QuoteBegin-Pulse+Mar 23 2004, 06:35 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Pulse @ Mar 23 2004, 06:35 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->lololl Liek oid sa ta mova llooolololol omg lol WTH. If you can make sense of that I will give you a medal.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    "I saw the movie and it was funny"? <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    You win the prize!
  • CommunistWithAGunCommunistWithAGun Local Propaganda Guy Join Date: 2003-04-30 Member: 15953Members
    What's strange is, I find myself typing in proper english with full puntuation and such now that I've been on this forum for a while. It kind of became second nature. :\
  • SoulSkorpionSoulSkorpion Join Date: 2002-04-12 Member: 423Members
    edited March 2004
    Despite being a spelling and grammar nazi myself, academic arguments about online spelling and grammar such as these, with no regard to practicality, serve no useful purpose.

    Appropriate spelling depends on the context. When in Rome, do like a Roman. That's all there is to it. If you post in sub IRC-grade mish-mash on these forums, you'll come across as retarded. If you post with big words and complete sentences in a forum where sub IRC-grade mish-mash is the norm, you'll come across as arrogant (believe me, I know all about <i>that</i>. The same thing happens with speech mannerisms in real life.).

    Ingame, the situation changes. You're in a combat situation; you have to communicate potentially vital information in as little time as possible. Speed is critical. Why do you think real military organisations have so many acroynms? Why do you think game communities have so many acronyms?

    Anyway, you have to remember that the "u, ur, olol, kthxbai" style often comes about because if you have to search the keyboard and peck at the keys, typing "u" is <i>much</i> faster than "you", silly as it sounds. It's not pure laziness, at least not always. I can confirm that from having watched people type this kind of stuff, pecking at the keys. But if that's the standard where you interact, of course, that's what you'll pick up - fast typer or not. And that's <i>still</i> not individual laziness.

    Still, at the end of the day, it's up to standards. In the case of board of this level, it <i>is</i> a case of how much care you want to put into your words. However, that's a decision to be made by the person posting, not the reader. If you want to sound authoritative, you take care to write your posts well. If you don't give a rat's rear end, you don't. It's silly to get annoyed about things like that.

    Oh, and in terms of righteous posts like the original - what exactly are you trying to prove? Are you going to beat the illiterate masses into shape, one irate post at a time? That's not going to work, and you know it (well, I hope). Seldom are people convinced of your ideas by the shining truth of them, as you thrust them into their faces and expect them to accept them for the innate correctness of their content. Am I being grandiose enough to drive the point home?
  • TequilaTequila Join Date: 2003-08-13 Member: 19660Members
    Acronyms and initialisms are fine, but don't start with all this "pwned/owned/lam0r/***/kthxbai" rubbish, because I don't care even if you're joking; it's bent and unfunny.
  • EpidemicEpidemic Dark Force Gorge Join Date: 2003-06-29 Member: 17781Members
    <!--QuoteBegin-Cronos+Mar 23 2004, 12:45 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Cronos @ Mar 23 2004, 12:45 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> bahaha teh spezlzolring narxiziz are ate it agaan lololololZ!

    See that line above? See how terrible it is? How it defiles the eye and mind alike? If you have enough time to be writing a message on a forum, then you have enough time to at least make your messages legible.

    The only excuse for poor spelling/grammar in a post is dyslexia. I can understand not being stuffed to make things absolutely 100% correct, but making the message understandable and legible is enough.

    Submitting an assignment or thesis with 1337 speak and "2day" on it are travesties against the english language and should not even be marked, if not burned on sight. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    It's funny though
    Funny post> "proper english"
    Ranting like this wont change anything though..

    Tequila> I think it's still hilarious <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif' /><!--endemo-->
  • BizZy_9mm_MessiahBizZy_9mm_Messiah Old School Member Join Date: 2003-07-25 Member: 18411Members, Constellation
    Can you raed tihs?
  • pardzhpardzh Join Date: 2002-10-25 Member: 1601Members
    Whenever I see someone use any kind of abbreviation like thx, u, l8r, c, or anything of the sort, I immediately take them for an idiot. They pretty much have to prove that they are not utterly retarded for me to respect them at all.

    Kinda ticks me off when my friends talk like that to me over AIM because I know they're relatively smart people. I don't want to think they're idiotic, but when I say bye to them and they respond "c u l8r dewd," I just want to rip my hair out and scream at them.
  • BizZy_9mm_MessiahBizZy_9mm_Messiah Old School Member Join Date: 2003-07-25 Member: 18411Members, Constellation
    <!--QuoteBegin-Duff-Man+Mar 23 2004, 08:17 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Duff-Man @ Mar 23 2004, 08:17 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Whenever I see someone use any kind of abbreviation like thx, u, l8r, c, or anything of the sort, I immediately take them for an idiot. They pretty much have to prove that they are not utterly retarded for me to respect them at all.

    Kinda ticks me off when my friends talk like that to me over AIM because I know they're relatively smart people. I don't want to think they're idiotic, but when I say bye to them and they respond "c u l8r dewd," I just want to rip my hair out and scream at them. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    Roffles! Dewd ur funnay!
  • SycophantSycophant Join Date: 2002-11-05 Member: 7092Members
    <!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Kinda ticks me off when my friends talk like that to me over AIM because I know they're relatively smart people. I don't want to think they're idiotic, but when I say bye to them and they respond "c u l8r dewd," I just want to rip my hair out and scream at them.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    Heheh, I know what that's like. There's a few people I occasionally talk to in msn who cannot complete even one statement without some acronym or abbreviation, or using any punctuation. It's probably why I don't talk to them very often. <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif' /><!--endemo-->

    Fortunately, most of the people I talk to regularly don't even know what "WTH" means. <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo-->
  • CommunistWithAGunCommunistWithAGun Local Propaganda Guy Join Date: 2003-04-30 Member: 15953Members
    <!--QuoteBegin-SoulSkorpion+Mar 23 2004, 07:38 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (SoulSkorpion @ Mar 23 2004, 07:38 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Despite being a spelling and grammar nazi myself, academic arguments about online spelling and grammar such as these, with no regard to practicality, serve no useful purpose.

    Appropriate spelling depends on the context. When in Rome, do like a Roman. That's all there is to it. If you post in sub IRC-grade mish-mash on these forums, you'll come across as retarded. If you post with big words and complete sentences in a forum where sub IRC-grade mish-mash is the norm, you'll come across as arrogant (believe me, I know all about <i>that</i>. The same thing happens with speech mannerisms in real life.).

    Ingame, the situation changes. You're in a combat situation; you have to communicate potentially vital information in as little time as possible. Speed is critical. Why do you think real military organisations have so many acroynms? Why do you think game communities have so many acronyms?

    Anyway, you have to remember that the "u, ur, olol, kthxbai" style often comes about because if you have to search the keyboard and peck at the keys, typing "u" is <i>much</i> faster than "you", silly as it sounds. It's not pure laziness, at least not always. I can confirm that from having watched people type this kind of stuff, pecking at the keys. But if that's the standard where you interact, of course, that's what you'll pick up - fast typer or not. And that's <i>still</i> not individual laziness.

    Still, at the end of the day, it's up to standards. In the case of board of this level, it <i>is</i> a case of how much care you want to put into your words. However, that's a decision to be made by the person posting, not the reader. If you want to sound authoritative, you take care to write your posts well. If you don't give a rat's rear end, you don't. It's silly to get annoyed about things like that.

    Oh, and in terms of righteous posts like the original - what exactly are you trying to prove? Are you going to beat the illiterate masses into shape, one irate post at a time? That's not going to work, and you know it (well, I hope). Seldom are people convinced of your ideas by the shining truth of them, as you thrust them into their faces and expect them to accept them for the innate correctness of their content. Am I being grandiose enough to drive the point home? <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    Listen to <i>this</i> arrogant ****!





    jk:)
  • CommunistWithAGunCommunistWithAGun Local Propaganda Guy Join Date: 2003-04-30 Member: 15953Members
    <!--QuoteBegin-Duff-Man+Mar 23 2004, 08:17 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Duff-Man @ Mar 23 2004, 08:17 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Whenever I see someone use any kind of abbreviation like thx, u, l8r, c, or anything of the sort, I immediately take them for an idiot. They pretty much have to prove that they are not utterly retarded for me to respect them at all.

    Kinda ticks me off when my friends talk like that to me over AIM because I know they're relatively smart people. I don't want to think they're idiotic, but when I say bye to them and they respond "c u l8r dewd," I just want to rip my hair out and scream at them. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    tbh irl meight, ftw!


    afaik ur 1337 lolz





    I want to die.
  • DrSuredeathDrSuredeath Join Date: 2002-11-11 Member: 8217Members
    Not all of us are native English speaker. <!--emo&:(--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/sad.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='sad.gif' /><!--endemo-->

    I'm trying though.

    Thank you, dictionary.com
  • SoulSkorpionSoulSkorpion Join Date: 2002-04-12 Member: 423Members
    <!--QuoteBegin-CommunistWithAGun+Mar 23 2004, 09:42 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (CommunistWithAGun @ Mar 23 2004, 09:42 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Listen to <i>this</i> arrogant ****!





    jk:) <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    It was deliberate <!--emo&;)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/wink.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink.gif' /><!--endemo-->
  • XiileXiile Join Date: 2003-02-22 Member: 13818Members
    edited March 2004
    y shudnt i tpe like dis yo?
    WTH u talkin bou!1
    lol fyne b dat way.

    <u>.................................................................</u>
    <i>1337 cser 4 lyfe! 50 cent!</i>
  • JezpuhJezpuh Join Date: 2003-04-03 Member: 15157Banned
    edited March 2004
    I'm with you on this one, it's not to hard to type 2 extra letters.
    It's not that bad, we can still read it, but fgs take the time to add 2 extra letters.
  • ZigZig ...I am Captain Planet&#33; Join Date: 2002-10-23 Member: 1576Members
    hm.

    i guess i don't care either way... except for sticky caps.

    i WasZ LiKe gOinG tO hIt On thIs GrL bUt shE kEpT UsINg SticKy CapZ So I JUsT NeVEr IMeD HeR aGAin!~!!!! LOL
  • TequilaTequila Join Date: 2003-08-13 Member: 19660Members
    <!--QuoteBegin-Epidemic+Mar 23 2004, 08:04 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Epidemic @ Mar 23 2004, 08:04 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Tequila> I think it's still hilarious <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif' /><!--endemo--> <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    Well, you're entitled to your opinion, but I <i>will</i> hold you in contempt <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif' /><!--endemo-->
  • BobbyShaftoeBobbyShaftoe Join Date: 2004-01-13 Member: 25280Members
    I don't know if anyone has mentioned this already, however, most people don't know how to use apostophes.
  • DOOManiacDOOManiac Worst. Critic. Ever. Join Date: 2002-04-17 Member: 462Members, NS1 Playtester
    <!--QuoteBegin-Tequila+Mar 23 2004, 06:55 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Tequila @ Mar 23 2004, 06:55 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Acronyms and initialisms are fine, but don't start with all this "pwned/owned/lam0r/***/kthxbai" rubbish, because I don't care even if you're joking; it's bent and unfunny. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    I have to disagree with you on this one. One of the great things about the English language is its versatility, its ability to adapt and change. People start using new words as slang, popular/long-lasting slang becomes "official" words, the language adapts and changes to meet the situation.

    There's nothing wrong with slang within proper context (i.e. "pwn" is perfectly acceptable slang on a gaming message board), just so long as its not written into a formal essay or etc.
  • ThansalThansal The New Scum Join Date: 2002-08-22 Member: 1215Members, Constellation
    edited March 2004
    personaly, all I realy care about is if a post is legible. I say this simply b/c I am a horrible typist/speller/gramer person(word anyone?).

    MY only realy gripes are:
    1) the giant block of text (its just hard to read, this is part of the reason why I tend to seperate my lines alot, that and because I type the way I speak, its mainly a flow of conciousness)

    2) Truely illegible posts due to spelling. These are the posts that even I feel my mind being turned into sludge, generaly however these people are simply trolls (for instance Leet_LOLOLOL's posts).

    oh, and:
    3) People how flame/complain about others typing skills when the post is still perfectly readable <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif' /><!--endemo-->

    As for abreviations, some bug me some dont.
    y, u, r, b etc are sorta silly
    brb, afk, j/k, lol, etc don't bug me at all
    the one I know ticks off alot of people but I use alot is b/c (this is b/c I couldn't spell the word for the longest time, so I just tought Word that b/c = Because <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo-->)

    oh, and for out non native speakers who want spelling help:
    www.google.com
    type your word in there and you will probably get the proper spelling (and its faster then dictionary.com <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif' /><!--endemo-->)
  • NefilimNefilim Join Date: 2003-08-09 Member: 19222Members, Constellation
    edited March 2004
    <!--QuoteBegin-SoulSkorpion+Mar 23 2004, 06:38 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (SoulSkorpion @ Mar 23 2004, 06:38 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Oh, and in terms of righteous posts like the original - what exactly are you trying to prove? Are you going to beat the illiterate masses into shape, one irate post at a time? That's not going to work, and you know it (well, I hope). Seldom are people convinced of your ideas by the shining truth of them, as you thrust them into their faces and expect them to accept them for the innate correctness of their content. Am I being grandiose enough to drive the point home? <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    I really don't see how you could call a suggestion to take 15 seconds to read over your posts for the sake of fellow readers as a brash attack a gainst the lazy and illiterate.

    Look at it this way: many people have claimed that there are a lot of foreign readers who don't speak English as a primary language. They're quite easy to spot from the lazy typers since they'll have generally correct spelling, but weird grammar.

    The German Reader might type like This for the Example.

    Sure, we English-speaking players can decipher what you say after a while; Asian, French, German, etc. readers can't.


    No one changes anything if they aren't suggested a different option. You seem to be under the impression that all gamers are staunchly into themselves and that they won't change or moderate themselves if asked to do so.
  • twoflowtwoflow Singing Drunk Join Date: 2002-11-01 Member: 1950Members, Constellation
    I immediately move on to the next post if "pwn" or suchlike appears.
  • ThansalThansal The New Scum Join Date: 2002-08-22 Member: 1215Members, Constellation
    /me points at Nefilim's sig.


    you used newb.

    now you are condemed for life <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif' /><!--endemo-->
  • JezpuhJezpuh Join Date: 2003-04-03 Member: 15157Banned
    <!--QuoteBegin-XeroSlayer+Mar 23 2004, 04:44 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (XeroSlayer @ Mar 23 2004, 04:44 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> y shudnt i tpe like dis yo?
    WTH u talkin bou!1
    lol fyne b dat way.

    <u>.................................................................</u>
    <i>1337 cser 4 lyfe! 50 cent!</i> <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    d0nt mes wit 50cent, he migt suk @ life n musik (basicly evrythng), but don mes wit him, he gonna kik j00 ****


    <b>Ok, I felt like doing that, shut up. I hate 50 cent.</b>
  • Nemesis_ZeroNemesis_Zero Old European Join Date: 2002-01-25 Member: 75Members, Retired Developer, NS1 Playtester, Constellation
    edited March 2004
    I think the thread showed admirably how god damn fast stuff tends to go O-T around here...

    <span style='color:yellow'>And how Nem's potty mouth tends to flair ;-)</span>

    <span style='color:red'>***Locked.***</span>
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